[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]Nominally I'm a Libertarian, but I'll support anyone who can actually follow through on their campaign promises.jointed
...well, Adolf H followed through his campaign policy about Jews, so...:| Which was? "legally fight and remove the privileges enjoyed by the Jews as opposed to other foreigners living among us. Its final goal, however, must be the irrevocable removal of the Jews themselves." - Adolf H
Affiliate with no party. In my state, you don't have to register with a party to vote in their primary, so I didn't. I consider myself a leftist, and I usually vote in the Democratic primaries, but I feel that Democrats are wrong about a lot of things.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] ...well, Adolf H followed through his campaign policy about Jews, so...:|MetalGear_Ninty
Which was? "legally fight and remove the privileges enjoyed by the Jews as opposed to other foreigners living among us. Its final goal, however, must be the irrevocable removal of the Jews themselves." - Adolf H
That is not a part of the NSDAP's campaign policy program. Here it is.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Which was?jointed
"legally fight and remove the privileges enjoyed by the Jews as opposed to other foreigners living among us. Its final goal, however, must be the irrevocable removal of the Jews themselves." - Adolf H
That is not a part of the NSDAP's campaign policy program. Here it is.
''4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.'' There is evidence right there.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] "legally fight and remove the privileges enjoyed by the Jews as opposed to other foreigners living among us. Its final goal, however, must be the irrevocable removal of the Jews themselves." - Adolf HMetalGear_Ninty
That is not a part of the NSDAP's campaign policy program. Here it is.
''4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.'' There is evidence right there. Yeah, I'm not denying the fact that their program was anti-semetic. I just wanted to know what exactly it was you were referring to.
''4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.'' There is evidence right there. Yeah, I'm not denying the fact that their program was anti-semetic. I just wanted to know what exactly it was you were referring to.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] ''4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.'' There is evidence right there. MetalGear_Ninty
Yeah, I'm not denying the fact that their program was anti-semetic. I just wanted to know what exactly it was you were referring to.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Yeah, I'm not denying the fact that their program was anti-semetic. I just wanted to know what exactly it was you were referring to.jointed
Scroll down to the first paragraph under the sub-heading: German Worker's Party.
Yeah, but there's a difference between a private text and an official policy program. It doesn't matter. I've already shown you official Nazi policies supporting what I was saying.
I don't associate myself with any political group because I don't like to have my opinions influenced by what group I'm trying to fit into, and I don't like people making rash generalizations about me.
Scroll down to the first paragraph under the sub-heading: German Worker's Party.
Yeah, but there's a difference between a private text and an official policy program. It doesn't matter. I've already shown you official Nazi policies supporting what I was saying. That's not at all what this is about though. I just wanted to know which ones you were referring to...turns out you just assumed that they were anti-semetic before researching it.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Yeah, but there's a difference between a private text and an official policy program.jointed
It doesn't matter. I've already shown you official Nazi policies supporting what I was saying. That's not at all what this is about though. I just wanted to know which ones you were referring to...turns out you just assumed that they were anti-semetic before researching it. What on Earth are you talking about? Both sources I've given to you, even embarassingly from your own source has been anti-semitic. Anything else, or are you just are just arguing with me for the sake of it? :roll:
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] It doesn't matter. I've already shown you official Nazi policies supporting what I was saying.MetalGear_Ninty
That's not at all what this is about though. I just wanted to know which ones you were referring to...turns out you just assumed that they were anti-semetic before researching it. What on Earth are you talking about? Both sources I've given to you, even embarassingly from your own source has been anti-semitic. Anything else, or are you just are just arguing with me for the sake of it? :roll: I'm talking about the fact that there's a difference between having an opinion about the jews and expressing them officially in a political program. You said that Hitler fulfilled his compaign policies about the jews...I wanted to know what campaign promises you were referring to. You then proceeded to post a quote from a private text 10 years prior to the election. I wanted to help you, since you were obviously confused about your initial statement, so I posted the real 25 point program so that you could point out what policies you were referring to. It turns out you weren't referring to something specific and just pulled it out of your arse assuming that there actually was anti-semetic stuff in their official program. The fact that you quoted a private text that had nothing to do with that program furthers this claim. Peace.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] That's not at all what this is about though. I just wanted to know which ones you were referring to...turns out you just assumed that they were anti-semetic before researching it.jointed
What on Earth are you talking about? Both sources I've given to you, even embarassingly from your own source has been anti-semitic. Anything else, or are you just are just arguing with me for the sake of it? :roll: I'm talking about the fact that there's a difference between having an opinion about the jews and expressing them officially in a political program. You said that Hitler fulfilled his compaign policies about the jews...I wanted to know what campaign promises you were referring to. You then proceeded to post a quote from a private text 10 years prior to the election. I wanted to help you, since you were obviously confused about your initial statement, so I posted the real 25 point program so that you could point out what policies you were referring to. It turns out you weren't referring to something specific and just pulled it out of your arse assuming that there actually was anti-semetic stuff in their official program. The fact that you quoted a private text that had nothing to do with that program furthers this claim. Peace. You asked for a source I gave you one, you didn't like it, so I pointed out exactly where the anti-semitic policies where in their official programme. It is right there in the link. Don't try to twist this, the evidence is there for everybody to see.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] What on Earth are you talking about? Both sources I've given to you, even embarassingly from your own source has been anti-semitic. Anything else, or are you just are just arguing with me for the sake of it? :roll:MetalGear_Ninty
I'm talking about the fact that there's a difference between having an opinion about the jews and expressing them officially in a political program. You said that Hitler fulfilled his compaign policies about the jews...I wanted to know what campaign promises you were referring to. You then proceeded to post a quote from a private text 10 years prior to the election. I wanted to help you, since you were obviously confused about your initial statement, so I posted the real 25 point program so that you could point out what policies you were referring to. It turns out you weren't referring to something specific and just pulled it out of your arse assuming that there actually was anti-semetic stuff in their official program. The fact that you quoted a private text that had nothing to do with that program furthers this claim. Peace. You asked for a source I gave you one, you didn't like it, so I pointed out exactly where the anti-semitic policies where in their official programme. It is right there in the link. Don't try to twist this, the evidence is there for everybody to see. Evidence? What are you talking about? Read my post again....slowly this time. I know that there is anti-semetic stuff in their program, that's why I posted it...so you could show me what you were referring to. You seem tired, I suggest you take a nap.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] I'm talking about the fact that there's a difference between having an opinion about the jews and expressing them officially in a political program. You said that Hitler fulfilled his compaign policies about the jews...I wanted to know what campaign promises you were referring to. You then proceeded to post a quote from a private text 10 years prior to the election. I wanted to help you, since you were obviously confused about your initial statement, so I posted the real 25 point program so that you could point out what policies you were referring to. It turns out you weren't referring to something specific and just pulled it out of your arse assuming that there actually was anti-semetic stuff in their official program. The fact that you quoted a private text that had nothing to do with that program furthers this claim. Peace.jointed
You asked for a source I gave you one, you didn't like it, so I pointed out exactly where the anti-semitic policies where in their official programme. It is right there in the link. Don't try to twist this, the evidence is there for everybody to see. Evidence? What are you talking about? Read my post again....slowly this time. I know that there is anti-semetic stuff in their program, that's why I posted it...so you could show me what you were referring to. You seem tired, I suggest you take a nap. WTF. My original point remains intact. You're now trying to twist to try and say you gave me the link, to prove my point that you argued against in the first place. Pull the other one. :roll: Why don't you try winning debates in the first place, without having to try and twist it when you inevitably lose. :wink:
I'm independent (not to be confused with the Independent Party). The liberal side is too crazy for me, while the conservative side is too narrow-minded for me.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] You asked for a source I gave you one, you didn't like it, so I pointed out exactly where the anti-semitic policies where in their official programme. It is right there in the link. Don't try to twist this, the evidence is there for everybody to see.MetalGear_Ninty
Evidence? What are you talking about? Read my post again....slowly this time. I know that there is anti-semetic stuff in their program, that's why I posted it...so you could show me what you were referring to. You seem tired, I suggest you take a nap. WTF. My original point remains intact. You're now trying to twist to try and say you gave me the link, to prove my point that you argued against in the first place. Pull the other one. :roll: Why don't you try winning debates in the first place, without having to try and twist it when you inevitably lose. :wink: Twisting? I'm not twisting anything...go back and look at the initial exchange of words. I never challanged your original point, I wanted to know what policy you were referring to. You posted a faulty quote. I then had to help you out by posting the correct program. Seriously, I've already explain this to you. READ the long post again and you'll understand that this isn't a debate. Winning or losing isn't a part of it. I fail to see why you're so hostile. Sure I made you look like a fool...but it's only OT, no big deal.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Evidence? What are you talking about? Read my post again....slowly this time. I know that there is anti-semetic stuff in their program, that's why I posted it...so you could show me what you were referring to. You seem tired, I suggest you take a nap.jointed
WTF. My original point remains intact. You're now trying to twist to try and say you gave me the link, to prove my point that you argued against in the first place. Pull the other one. :roll: Why don't you try winning debates in the first place, without having to try and twist it when you inevitably lose. :wink: Twisting? I'm not twisting anything...go back and look at the initial exchange of words. I never challanged your original point, I wanted to know what policy you were referring to. You posted a faulty quote. I then had to help you out by posting the correct program. Seriously, I've already explain this to you. READ the long post again and you'll understand that this isn't a debate. Winning or losing isn't a part of it. I fail to see why you're so hostile. Sure I made you look like a fool...but it's only OT, no big deal. You -- make me look like a fool, you've got to be kidding me. When you provided the link to the 25 points, I didn't see you actually say: 'Oh, actually this has got the right information it' -- and when I proofed that your source was actually working against you, because you obviously were arguing with me, you now started twisting it, to make it look like you had the right idea all along. The bottom line is that when you posted the link, you said nothing about helping me prove my point. period.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] WTF. My original point remains intact. You're now trying to twist to try and say you gave me the link, to prove my point that you argued against in the first place. Pull the other one. :roll: Why don't you try winning debates in the first place, without having to try and twist it when you inevitably lose. :wink:MetalGear_Ninty
Twisting? I'm not twisting anything...go back and look at the initial exchange of words. I never challanged your original point, I wanted to know what policy you were referring to. You posted a faulty quote. I then had to help you out by posting the correct program. Seriously, I've already explain this to you. READ the long post again and you'll understand that this isn't a debate. Winning or losing isn't a part of it. I fail to see why you're so hostile. Sure I made you look like a fool...but it's only OT, no big deal. You -- make me look like a fool, you've got to be kidding me. When you provided the link to the 25 points, I didn't see you actually say: 'Oh, actually this has got the right information it' -- and when I proofed that your source was actually working against you, because you obviously were arguing with me, you now started twisting it, to make it look like you had the right idea all along. The bottom line is that when you posted the link, you said nothing about helping me prove my point. period. Wait, why the hell would I want to post a link that is working against my "supposed" argument? :lol: Oh, and it's common knowledge that the Nazis had an anti-semetic policy program, there's nothing to argue there. The bottom line is that you didn't base your claim on anything factual, and I easily proved that. You tried to google it and came up with a faulty quote. The fact that you even think we were arguing about the existance of anti-semetic policies in their program is laughable.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Twisting? I'm not twisting anything...go back and look at the initial exchange of words. I never challanged your original point, I wanted to know what policy you were referring to. You posted a faulty quote. I then had to help you out by posting the correct program. Seriously, I've already explain this to you. READ the long post again and you'll understand that this isn't a debate. Winning or losing isn't a part of it. I fail to see why you're so hostile. Sure I made you look like a fool...but it's only OT, no big deal.jointed
You -- make me look like a fool, you've got to be kidding me. When you provided the link to the 25 points, I didn't see you actually say: 'Oh, actually this has got the right information it' -- and when I proofed that your source was actually working against you, because you obviously were arguing with me, you now started twisting it, to make it look like you had the right idea all along. The bottom line is that when you posted the link, you said nothing about helping me prove my point. period. Wait, why the hell would I want to post a link that is working against my "supposed" argument? :lol: Oh, and it's common knowledge that the Nazis had an anti-semetic policy program, there's nothing to argue there. The bottom line is that you didn't base your claim on anything factual, and I easily proved that. You tried to google it and came up with a faulty quote. The fact that you even think we were arguing about the existance of anti-semetic policies in their program is laughable. If the truth of my point was so self evident, then why did I need to provide a link? It is so obvious that there was anti-semitism in official Nazi policy -- so why would I need to provide a link? I provided with you one link, I could just as well have got other sources, that is not the point. You're the one who is twisting things to try and show that you weren't debating against me.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] You -- make me look like a fool, you've got to be kidding me. When you provided the link to the 25 points, I didn't see you actually say: 'Oh, actually this has got the right information it' -- and when I proofed that your source was actually working against you, because you obviously were arguing with me, you now started twisting it, to make it look like you had the right idea all along. The bottom line is that when you posted the link, you said nothing about helping me prove my point. period.MetalGear_Ninty
Wait, why the hell would I want to post a link that is working against my "supposed" argument? :lol: Oh, and it's common knowledge that the Nazis had an anti-semetic policy program, there's nothing to argue there. The bottom line is that you didn't base your claim on anything factual, and I easily proved that. You tried to google it and came up with a faulty quote. The fact that you even think we were arguing about the existance of anti-semetic policies in their program is laughable. If the truth of my point was so self evident, then why did I need to provide a link? It is so obvious that there was anti-semitism in official Nazi policy -- so why would I need to provide a link? I provided with you one link, I could just as well have got other sources, that is not the point. You're the one who is twisting things to try and show that you weren't debating against me. The thing is that they didn't fulfill all of their points in the 25-point program. I wanted to know what points you were referring to....you responded in a defensive way and made a scene about it. Oh and by the way, the fact that you posted a private text just shows that you had no idea of where to look and therefore no factual fundament behind your claim. You said that he fulfilled his policies against the jews without knowing if there actually were any official campaigning policies. That's the bottom line.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] Wait, why the hell would I want to post a link that is working against my "supposed" argument? :lol: Oh, and it's common knowledge that the Nazis had an anti-semetic policy program, there's nothing to argue there. The bottom line is that you didn't base your claim on anything factual, and I easily proved that. You tried to google it and came up with a faulty quote. The fact that you even think we were arguing about the existance of anti-semetic policies in their program is laughable.jointed
If the truth of my point was so self evident, then why did I need to provide a link? It is so obvious that there was anti-semitism in official Nazi policy -- so why would I need to provide a link? I provided with you one link, I could just as well have got other sources, that is not the point. You're the one who is twisting things to try and show that you weren't debating against me. The thing is that they didn't fulfill all of their points in the 25-point program. I wanted to know what points you were referring to....you responded in a defensive way and made a scene about it. Oh and by the way, the fact that you posted a private text just shows that you had no idea of where to look and therefore no factual fundament behind your claim. You said that he fulfilled his policies against the jews without knowing if there actually were any official campaigning policies. That's the bottom line. Dude, your wasting my time, you're starting something from nothing. The fourth point of the programme, was that they believed Jews weren't true citizens of Germany, Hitler basically removed citizenship from Jews when he got in power. Period. Why can't you face the fact that I'm right and you are wrong. :roll:
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] If the truth of my point was so self evident, then why did I need to provide a link? It is so obvious that there was anti-semitism in official Nazi policy -- so why would I need to provide a link? I provided with you one link, I could just as well have got other sources, that is not the point. You're the one who is twisting things to try and show that you weren't debating against me.MetalGear_Ninty
The thing is that they didn't fulfill all of their points in the 25-point program. I wanted to know what points you were referring to....you responded in a defensive way and made a scene about it. Oh and by the way, the fact that you posted a private text just shows that you had no idea of where to look and therefore no factual fundament behind your claim. You said that he fulfilled his policies against the jews without knowing if there actually were any official campaigning policies. That's the bottom line. Dude, your wasting my time, you're starting something from nothing. The fourth point of the programme, was that they believed Jews weren't true citizens of Germany, Hitler basically removed citizenship from Jews when he got in power. Period. Why can't you face the fact that I'm right and you are wrong. :roll: I can't be wrong since I've made no claim whatsoever. I have, however, shown that you made your claim before actually knowing if it was correct. I was asking you a question, genuinely interested in your answer...but you posted BS, which lead me to believe that you lacked a fundamental knowledge of what you were initially commenting on with great confidence.
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Dude, your wasting my time, you're starting something from nothing. The fourth point of the programme, was that they believed Jews weren't true citizens of Germany, Hitler basically removed citizenship from Jews when he got in power. Period. Why can't you face the fact that I'm right and you are wrong. :roll:MetalGear_Ninty
I can't be wrong since I've made no claim whatsoever. I have, however, shown that you made your claim before actually knowing if it was correct. I was asking you a question, genuinely interested in your answer...but you posted BS, which lead me to believe that you lacked a fundamental knowledge of what you were initially commenting on with great confidence. I did know it was correct. Just because I didn't pick out the best source for the information does not mean I didn't know it. Period. Stop wasting my time with your asinine bull**** and childish games. Now it's late in the UK, as you'll know, and I need sleep -- that doesn't mean my reasoning was flawed. Yours truly, MGN! Peace out! :P It's not as if your source was lacking credibility...or something like that. It was a deeply flawed choice that certainly reflects your knowledge on the matter. But I'll stop now since you're obviously pretty upset, I suggest you watch your blood pressure kid...it's only OT :lol:
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] I can't be wrong since I've made no claim whatsoever. I have, however, shown that you made your claim before actually knowing if it was correct. I was asking you a question, genuinely interested in your answer...but you posted BS, which lead me to believe that you lacked a fundamental knowledge of what you were initially commenting on with great confidence.jointed
I did know it was correct. Just because I didn't pick out the best source for the information does not mean I didn't know it. Period. Stop wasting my time with your asinine bull**** and childish games. Now it's late in the UK, as you'll know, and I need sleep -- that doesn't mean my reasoning was flawed. Yours truly, MGN! Peace out! :P It's not as if your source was lacking credibility...or something like that. It was a deeply flawed choice that certainly reflects your knowledge on the matter. But I'll stop now since you're obviously pretty upset, I suggest you watch your blood pressure kid...it's only OT :lol: Dude, I picked the first source that came to mind. And I've certainly got more knowledge on the subject then you have, by a long shot. I won't forget this BTW. :wink:
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] I did know it was correct. Just because I didn't pick out the best source for the information does not mean I didn't know it. Period. Stop wasting my time with your asinine bull**** and childish games. Now it's late in the UK, as you'll know, and I need sleep -- that doesn't mean my reasoning was flawed. Yours truly, MGN! Peace out! :PMetalGear_Ninty
It's not as if your source was lacking credibility...or something like that. It was a deeply flawed choice that certainly reflects your knowledge on the matter. But I'll stop now since you're obviously pretty upset, I suggest you watch your blood pressure kid...it's only OT :lol: Dude, I picked the first source that came to mind. And I've certainly got more knowledge on the subject then you have, by a long shot. I won't forget this BTW. :wink: Hmm, I'd actually go as far as to say that you've probably got NO knowledge on this matter whatsoever. What you also fail to understand is that I didn't start this discussion in order to prove this, unfortunately...you did it yourself and then you became hostile. There's no twisting here, that's what happened and it's obvious to anyone who goes through and read the discussion.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="jointed"] It's not as if your source was lacking credibility...or something like that. It was a deeply flawed choice that certainly reflects your knowledge on the matter. But I'll stop now since you're obviously pretty upset, I suggest you watch your blood pressure kid...it's only OT :lol:jointed
Dude, I picked the first source that came to mind. And I've certainly got more knowledge on the subject then you have, by a long shot. I won't forget this BTW. :wink: Hmm, I'd actually go as far as to say that you've probably got NO knowledge on this matter whatsoever. What you also fail to understand is that I didn't start this discussion in order to prove this, unfortunately...you did it yourself and then you became hostile. There's no twisting here, that's what happened and it's obvious to anyone who goes through and read the discussion. You've purposefully been trying to aggravate me all the way through the discussion. It was you who bizarrely claimed that the sources I provided were not anti-semitic, and that I hadn't done my research. I made my claim, and I've backed it up with solid evidence. So, what is your problem?
[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"] Dude, I picked the first source that came to mind. And I've certainly got more knowledge on the subject then you have, by a long shot. I won't forget this BTW. :wink:MetalGear_Ninty
Hmm, I'd actually go as far as to say that you've probably got NO knowledge on this matter whatsoever. What you also fail to understand is that I didn't start this discussion in order to prove this, unfortunately...you did it yourself and then you became hostile. There's no twisting here, that's what happened and it's obvious to anyone who goes through and read the discussion. You've purposefully been trying to aggravate me all the way through the discussion. It was you who bizarrely claimed that the sources I provided were not anti-semitic, and that I hadn't done my research. I made my claim, and I've backed it up with solid evidence. So, what is your problem? Nope, go back and read it again. I asked you which POLICIES you were referring to, you posted a quote from a text way back in the DAP days, I told you that it wasn't his official campaigning program and posted the real program for you. I don't understand why you'd think that I was trying to start a debate. Again, I was not asking for evidence...why do you keep bringing this up? I merely wanted to know what policies you were talking about. And I'm not twisting anything...if you read through the debate I'm sure you'll see this.
Log in to comment