Which movie in your opinion from 2008 deserves the most praise

TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.XxSTILL_BORNxX

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.Toriko42

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.Toriko42

Speed Racer.

No, really. It's going to be the next Tron or Blade Runner.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.The_Last_Ride

I thought Batman Begins did this first.

And I also think it's a better movie. At least it doesn't have gigantic plot holes.

Speed Racer.

No, really. It's going to be the next Tron or Blade Runner.

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] A great movie but I don't see what was so revolutionary about it.Baranga

I thought Batman Begins did this first.

And I also think it's a better movie. At least it doesn't have gigantic plot holes.

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.XxSTILL_BORNxX

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] A great movie but I don't see what was so revolutionary about it.Toriko42

i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly XxSTILL_BORNxX

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly Baranga

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

I didn't have to look deep, actually:P

If I look deep, I'll realise that when you load a bullet you only touch the casing. Oh ****... There goes another major plot point:D

I don't usually have any troubles with convenient stuff like the helicopter part... but here it defied the movie's inner logic. It tries so hard to be The Godfather of comic-book movies, but when things like these happen, the spell is broken. I easily accept Speed Racer's crazy design or Wanted's madness, because those movies never do anything that contradicts their original idea or the rules of that universe.

But when you make a realistic Batman and then throw in crap like this, it's just... weird. Here Gotham City and the overall atmosphere were much more realistic and gritty than in Batman Begins. Maybe that's why the street signs say Chicago, eh?

It was fun, but I wouldn't watch it again.

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]TDK, It revolutionized how comic book movies should look like and i hope coming comic book movies take TDK's direction...although i doubt it.Toriko42

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly Baranga

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

Slumdog Millionaire was amazing and TDK I think it's overrated, I got bored of it within the first half of the movie. That's just my opinion so don't take it to heart.dirtyd100

The Dark Knight IMO. It single handedly moved comic book movies from "general entertainment" to "art"II_Seraphim_II

I would say The Dark KnightThe_Last_Ride

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]The Dark Knight IMO. It single handedly moved comic book movies from "general entertainment" to "art"Toriko42

Meet the Spartans, of course. It completely revolutionized the comedy genre.Surrealist13

What made TDK so good was the actual sense of reality behind the characters. Every line and every action the joker made cannot be categorize into something white or black... the same for Batman... and Harvey Dent.

The Joker played with the mobs to take their place. In reality, he did more for the city than the police and Batman, he wiped out every of the mafia bosses. If youlisten carefully to whathe said during the movie... he actually didn't lie once.

The joker told Batman what his true natureis in the eyes of others. He'similar in every ways to the joker and he's luring himself until the end of the movie where he takes all the blame for saving Gotham.

Harvey did the same. He took care of corrupted peoples. In a sense, he never lose his sense of justice. "It's not about what I want it's about what is fair!"

I simply love the shade of gray where nobody is as good or as bad as it look. Everyone got their reasons.

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly Baranga

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

Thank you! I was afraid I was the only person who thought that TDK was actually very weak in the plot despite all the rave reviews and stuff. I couldn't stand that movie. It had so much promise as a good investigation of a sadistic character, but then they waisted it by once again producing some watered down super hero movie.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly XxSTILL_BORNxX

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

Unless you watch excellent movies (which, admittably, are in short supply).

It's far better then The Dark Knight that is for sure.Toriko42

[QUOTE="Toriko42"] It's far better then The Dark Knight that is for sure.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly Baranga

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

Well, most of your points are totally uselless and doesn't really brought anything more to the movie.

Well, what was sure is that at the end of the tunnel, a helicopter was going to be in reinforcement. And the guys could have put the cable anywhere on the building, they were using cable guns.

The joker was working with the Mafia who was able to make the whole plan for getting LAU out of the MCU and took care of Dent and Rachel. He was able to sneak into the hospital easily, so placing a dozen of c4 block shouldn't have been that hard.

At that moment he wanted to know the identity of Batman, he changed opinion when he was face to face with him... he told him : "I wanted to know what you would do, and you didn't dissapoint... you let 5 peoples died and let Dent took your place!". The Joker already knew Dent wasn't Batman.

I think everyone knew that Dent wasn't Batman. He did that to make the whole Joker plan to fall apart... and guess what, it worked.

Well, I can easily see that you are trying to find anything that could simply touch the credibility of the movie. If I was to spoil the fun of watching a movie by trying to find so much useless situations, I would be blocked at the damn car exploiding...

For the scene with Dent and Maroni, Dent seat his belt just before shooting the driver... and that was the point...

The only thing I can see is that you can't take the popularity of the movie. So by your standard, if everybody loves something, you need to hate this something. That is what that doesn't make sense here.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="XxSTILL_BORNxX"]i don't see how it has gigantic plot holes...everything was explained perfectly Redgarl

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

Well, most of your points are totally uselless and doesn't really brought anything more to the movie.

Well, what was sure is that at the end of the tunnel, a helicopter was going to be in reinforcement. And the guys could have put the cable anywhere on the building, they were using cable guns.

The joker was working with the Mafia who was able to make the whole plan for getting LAU out of the MCU and took care of Dent and Rachel. He was able to sneak into the hospital easily, so placing a dozen of c4 block shouldn't have been that hard.

At that moment he wanted to know the identity of Batman, he changed opinion when he was face to face with him... he told him : "I wanted to know what you would do, and you didn't dissapoint... you let 5 peoples died and let Dent took your place!". The Joker already knew Dent wasn't Batman.

I think everyone knew that Dent wasn't Batman. He did that to make the whole Joker plan to fall apart... and guess what, it worked.

Well, I can easily see that you are trying to find anything that could simply touch the credibility of the movie. If I was to spoil the fun of watching a movie by trying to find so much useless situations, I would be blocked at the damn car exploiding...

For the scene with Dent and Maroni, Dent seat his belt just before shooting the driver... and that was the point...

The only thing I can see is that you can't take the popularity of the movie. So by your standard, if everybody loves something, you need to hate this something. That is what that doesn't make sense here.

The Joker wasn't clever, just incredibly lucky, and it did detract from the movie. Great movies must be consistent and TDK posed as some dark, gritty, believable masterpiece and while it was dark and gritty the believability and brilliance of the Joker's character (which was fantastic for what the movie allowed it to be) were mitigated by all the "coincidinces" listed above. (I'm sorry the Joker cannot fill two ferries to the brim with gasoline and nobody notice) That said it was still a good super hero movie, but it wasn't the transendental piece of art everyone claimed it was.

Yes, the people who claim that The Dark Knight is a masterpiece are going too far, but the backlash bandwagon is just as bad (not saying that the people here are jumping on a bandwagon, it just seems to be gathering followers at the moment). TDK was a massively entertaining film which was full of excellent performances and wonderful presentation in what was one of the worst years for films in God knows how long; calling it one of the years best isn't much of a stretch.RobbieH1234

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[QUOTE="Redgarl"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

I think I missed the part where they explained how the Joker's "employees" knew exactly where and at what height that helicopter was going to pass, so that they could use that wire to bring it down.

Or how the Joker filled the hospital and the boats with explosives and nobody noticed. Especially the boats.

Or why did the Joker bothered with that uber-complicated plan that involved the chase and that relied 99% on pure luck.

By the way, one of the strong themes of the movie is Dent's credibility. But that one goes to hell when he says he's Batman, so the prosecution would fall apart.

What about that ridiculous bank heist scene? When the bus doesn't take any damage, when it perfectly fits in line with the other buses (filled with children) about 5 seconds before the police arrives, and nobody on the street seems at least concerned?

The scene where Two-Face shoots the driver was absolutely stupid. Way to go, Dent, killing yourself...

TDK is a movie for fanboys, man, filled with cool moments that defy logic (but hey, the movie has a gritty atmosphere so almost nobody noticed this; if it looked like the campy Schumacher flicks, but kept the exact same plot, a lot of people would criticise it). That's why I can bet someone will quote me and "debunk" these holes with stuff like "but the city was in chaos, that's why he filled the boats with a billion freakin' barrels that nobody noticed!". Or the number one answer - "the Joker is a genius, so stfu".

GIJames248

Well, most of your points are totally uselless and doesn't really brought anything more to the movie.

Well, what was sure is that at the end of the tunnel, a helicopter was going to be in reinforcement. And the guys could have put the cable anywhere on the building, they were using cable guns.

The joker was working with the Mafia who was able to make the whole plan for getting LAU out of the MCU and took care of Dent and Rachel. He was able to sneak into the hospital easily, so placing a dozen of c4 block shouldn't have been that hard.

At that moment he wanted to know the identity of Batman, he changed opinion when he was face to face with him... he told him : "I wanted to know what you would do, and you didn't dissapoint... you let 5 peoples died and let Dent took your place!". The Joker already knew Dent wasn't Batman.

I think everyone knew that Dent wasn't Batman. He did that to make the whole Joker plan to fall apart... and guess what, it worked.

Well, I can easily see that you are trying to find anything that could simply touch the credibility of the movie. If I was to spoil the fun of watching a movie by trying to find so much useless situations, I would be blocked at the damn car exploiding...

For the scene with Dent and Maroni, Dent seat his belt just before shooting the driver... and that was the point...

The only thing I can see is that you can't take the popularity of the movie. So by your standard, if everybody loves something, you need to hate this something. That is what that doesn't make sense here.

The Joker wasn't clever, just incredibly lucky, and it did detract from the movie. Great movies must be consistent and TDK posed as some dark, gritty, believable masterpiece and while it was dark and gritty the believability and brilliance of the Joker's character (which was fantastic for what the movie allowed it to be) were mitigated by all the "coincidinces" listed above. (I'm sorry the Joker cannot fill two ferries to the brim with gasoline and nobody notice) That said it was still a good super hero movie, but it wasn't the transendental piece of art everyone claimed it was.

"Joker : You didn't think I was going to lost the fight for Gotham soul in a fistfight with you?! No, you need an ace in the hole and mine's Harvey!"

"Batman : What did you do?!"

" Joker : I took Gotham whithe knight... and I brought him down to our level!"

Admit it, you are simply trying to say the contrary of everyone else to the point you are believing yourself. It's a super heroes movie... anyone trying to imply it as unrealistic only for the mean of bashing it is the idiot.