White couple adopts 2 Black kids and beat them to death in the name of GOD.

"Spare of the rod will spoil the child. If you can train your horse, you can train your dog. You can train your children. " -(Mike Ramsey, DA, Butte Country Calif [explaining the couples ideology])

Despite the racial undertone in my topic title, I truly believe these parents did this because they cared for their children and wanted them to grow up healthy - just like any other parent.

But this is what happens when you get your morals from bronze age ideology and not from reasoning and critical thinking. Because of their corrupted views of the nature of the universe from the bible they were blindly mislead into a belief that was obviously harming their child.

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Excerpt:
Three thousand years ago, a wise man said, "Train up a child in the way that he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it." Good training is not crisis management; it is what you do before the need of discipline arises.
BR> Most parenting is accidental rather than deliberate. Imagine building a house that way. We don't need to reinvent training. There are child training principles and methods that have worked from antiquity. To neglect deliberate training is to shove your child into a sea of choices and passions without a boat of compass.

This book is not about discipline, nor problem children. The emphasis is on the training of a child before the need to discipline arises. It is apparent that, though they expect obedience, most parents never attempt to train their child to obey. They wait until the behavior becomes unbearable and then explode. With proper training, discipline can be reduced to 5% of what many now practice. As you come to understand the difference between training and discipline, you will have a renewed vision for your family, no more raised voices, no contention, no bad attitudes, fewer spankings, a cheerful atmosphere in the home, and total obedience from your children.

Or maybe they're KKK members and are using religion as a cover to soften their sentences.

Not like that will help much.

In fact, that probably doesn't help at all.

You know what, disregard what I said before; they're just evil.

:o The things religious fanatics will do...

You know what, disregard what I said before; they're just evil.

THE_DRUGGIE

I don't think they're evil at all.

Corrupted? Yes. Indoctrinated? Yes. Close-minded? Definitely! I believe these are people who were brain-washed into non-sensible religious ideology in the same manner that a cult member performs a horrendous act simply because they don't know any better.

Smh overly religious people are so crazy Bucked20

Don't forget regular ones who think we're made from dirt, there was virgin birth, and there is a god in the sky that cares about everyone.

They clearly don't care about their children, just used the book as a scape goat.

This thread will get locked, I can feel it.

Wow, the author of the book doesn't know **** about raising kids.

When asked about what he'd do if he saw a 7-year-old slug a sibling:

"I would maintain my patient air, tell him that that kind of violence isn't acceptable, and tell him I would give him 15 licks with a belt because it would be handy since it whips around or maybe a wooden spoon or a piece of plumbing supply line a quarter-inch in diameter so I could roll it up."

Mixed messages ahoy!

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

You know what, disregard what I said before; they're just evil.

Blue-Sky

I don't think they're evil at all.

Corrupted? Yes. Indoctrinated? Yes. Close-minded? Definitely! I believe these are people who were brain-washed into non-sensible religious ideology in the same manner that a cult member performs a horrendous act simply because they don't know any better.

I say beating your kids to death is a good qualifier for evil status.

Wow, the author of the book doesn't know **** about raising kids.

When asked about what he'd do if he saw a 7-year-old slug a sibling:

"I would maintain my patient air, tell him that that kind of violence isn't acceptable, and tell him I would give him 15 licks with a belt because it would be handy since it whips around or maybe a wooden spoon or a piece of plumbing supply line a quarter-inch in diameter so I could roll it up."

Mixed messages ahoy!

THE_DRUGGIE

Maye we missed that episode of Super Nanny where beating your child senselessly teaches non-violence. I'm willing to bet, that these are the same type of people who are against violent media. . .

This thread will get locked, I can feel it.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Wow, the author of the book doesn't know **** about raising kids.

When asked about what he'd do if he saw a 7-year-old slug a sibling:

"I would maintain my patient air, tell him that that kind of violence isn't acceptable, and tell him I would give him 15 licks with a belt because it would be handy since it whips around or maybe a wooden spoon or a piece of plumbing supply line a quarter-inch in diameter so I could roll it up."

Mixed messages ahoy!

Blue-Sky

Maye we missed that episode of Super Nanny where beating your child senselessly teaches non-violence. I'm willing to bet, that these are the same type of people who are against violent media. . .

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

This thread will get locked, I can feel it.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

This thread will get locked, I can feel it.

parkurtommo

Human stupdity is universal.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Wow, the author of the book doesn't know **** about raising kids.

When asked about what he'd do if he saw a 7-year-old slug a sibling:

"I would maintain my patient air, tell him that that kind of violence isn't acceptable, and tell him I would give him 15 licks with a belt because it would be handy since it whips around or maybe a wooden spoon or a piece of plumbing supply line a quarter-inch in diameter so I could roll it up."

Mixed messages ahoy!

parkurtommo

Maye we missed that episode of Super Nanny where beating your child senselessly teaches non-violence. I'm willing to bet, that these are the same type of people who are against violent media. . .

Hahahahahahaha no.

I don't care if you're kidding, that wasn't funny.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Maye we missed that episode of Super Nanny where beating your child senselessly teaches non-violence. I'm willing to bet, that these are the same type of people who are against violent media. . .

THE_DRUGGIE

Hahahahahahaha no.

I don't care if you're kidding, that wasn't funny.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Well it is true that a kid will stop if he gets beaten up. :P It's just a bit traumatizing. :PTHE_DRUGGIE

Hahahahahahaha no.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Not me if that's what you're saying :oparkurtommo

I shall keep my keyboard sealed.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Nope, not you. DroidPhysX

I shall keep my keyboard sealed.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Well it is true that a kid will stop if he gets beaten up. :P It's just a bit traumatizing. :Pparkurtommo

Hahahahahahaha no.

I don't care if you're kidding, that wasn't funny.

I guess that just rubbed me the wrong way since I'm involved with violence intervention centers.

Forget them being fundamentalists. Those people are just sick wackos.

Forget them being fundamentalists. Those people are just sick wackos.

sonicare

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

Give me one good argument that fundamentalism is a requirement for Christianity.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

BranKetra

Christians often ask, "if you don't believe in the bible, then how can you learn right from wrong?" As far as they are concerned, it's impossible to learn morals without the teachings of the bible. I say that this scenario is a perfect example of how someone can justify their extremity by loose interpretations of what they read.

Reasoning should be a moral obligation, not the bible. Because this couple based their morals on a book, they were incapable of determining whats reasonably unjust. To them, the bible supports it, therefore it's right.

Stuff like this is what gives religious people a bad name.

No one does anything in the name of god. They use god as a excuse sure, but it isnt the reason. People do what many would consider horrible things because they enjoy it. A parent who beats their child to death for example enjoys hearing the cries and enjoys snuffing out the child's life. There is nothing more to it. CreasianDevaili

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]No one does anything in the name of god. They use god as a excuse sure, but it isnt the reason. People do what many would consider horrible things because they enjoy it. A parent who beats their child to death for example enjoys hearing the cries and enjoys snuffing out the child's life. There is nothing more to it. DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]No one does anything in the name of god. They use god as a excuse sure, but it isnt the reason. People do what many would consider horrible things because they enjoy it. A parent who beats their child to death for example enjoys hearing the cries and enjoys snuffing out the child's life. There is nothing more to it. DroidPhysX

Nice people :|

I sense a No True Scotsman occuring soon...

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

Christians often ask, "if you don't believe in the bible, then how can you learn right from wrong?" As far as they are concerned, it's impossible to learn morals without the teachings of the bible. I say that this scenario is a perfect example of how someone can justify their extremity by loose interpretations of what they read.

Reasoning should be a moral obligation, not the bible. Because this couple based their morals on a book, they were incapable of determining whats reasonably unjust. To them, the bible supports it, therefore it's right.

It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

I dunno. Are you gonna tell us?

Or maybe they're KKK members and are using religion as a cover to soften their sentences.

Not like that will help much.

In fact, that probably doesn't help at all.

You know what, disregard what I said before; they're just evil.

THE_DRUGGIE

That would hardly be a cover seeing as the KKK is infact religious as well and try to justify their views through their interpretation of their religious beliefs.. In the end there are crazy people in every belief system or group..

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]No one does anything in the name of god. They use god as a excuse sure, but it isnt the reason. People do what many would consider horrible things because they enjoy it. A parent who beats their child to death for example enjoys hearing the cries and enjoys snuffing out the child's life. There is nothing more to it. DroidPhysX

is this thread about religion or the kids? You should be ashamed of making it something else outside of the kids. Now to your statements let's switch the situation. An atheist rapes someone because he doesn't believe in God and doesn't believe there will be a consequence. See what I did there?

These 2 "Christians" were not thinking Spare the rod spoil the child? They were bad parents that's all to it. If they didn't claim to be Christians you wouldn't have posted anything. Your logic is skewed so I don't expect you to do anything except argue semantics. That is all I'm saying.

I always wonder how the crazies can reconcile killing people when the religion they follow specifically states you aren't supposed to kill. But then I remember they're crazies. Ace6301

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But this is what happens when you get your morals from bronze age ideology and not from reasoning and critical thinking. Because of their corrupted views of the nature of the universe from the bible they were blindly mislead into a belief that was obviously harming their child.

I know some christians will come on here and say "oh well it's just the extremists, it's just the fundamentalists. Well, yes! It is christian fundamentalism at it's worst but if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

This has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with stupid people.

EDIT: I should clarify so people don't get offended and I get moderated. The "stupid people" in the article are the ones I am referencing.

This has nothing to do with religion. This has to do with stupid people.foxhound_fox

Indeed. But they just happen to be religious.. Right?parkurtommo

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]No one does anything in the name of god. They use god as a excuse sure, but it isnt the reason. People do what many would consider horrible things because they enjoy it. A parent who beats their child to death for example enjoys hearing the cries and enjoys snuffing out the child's life. There is nothing more to it. Steameffekt

[QUOTE="Steameffekt"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] I suppose terrorists enjoy blowing themselves up?scorch-62

That depends entirely who you ask.. All too often you will have one follower have a compeltely different interpretation than another one.. Thats the problem with religious texts most times, they are extremely vague in many areas.