White couple adopts 2 Black kids and beat them to death in the name of GOD.

No, it's perfect. Jesus said treat others like you would like to be treated and preached only peace and non-violence. If you're a Christian, that's all you follow.

I'm waiting for my money.

Chutebox

For one, being the president can be objectively verified. The defintion of "christian" is going to vary between sects and people, getting into "No true Scotsman" falacy territory.

It's a lot harder to say that someone is or isn't Christian.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

No, it's perfect. Jesus said treat others like you would like to be treated and preached only peace and non-violence. If you're a Christian, that's all you follow.

I'm waiting for my money.

HoolaHoopMan

For one, being the president can be objectively verified. The defintion of "christian" is going to vary between sects and people, getting into "No true Scotsman" falacy territory.

It's a lot harder to say that someone is or isn't Christian.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]Unless you can prove to me that religion is all good and has never contributed to evil then i will keep my point of view, Religion claims to do alot of good in the world but i'd argue that it is the people invovled and not the religion itslef responsible for the acts of kindness and good and such people would still exist regardless.

But really has anyone ever had their opinions or points of view changed based on an OT religious thread? It seems like 2 sides of different coins.

mattisgod01

Replace "religion" with "people" in all the red and I would agree with every word. And I have had my opinions changed numerous times by threads in OT... solely because I learn something new that I didn't know, and I have to accept it as true if I want to remain grounded in reality. Not caught up in some fantasy world my mind built up to keep me safe from actually being wrong once in a while.

Religion isn't a person but it is a tool of indoctrination, Indoctrination that i believe to be nothing but lies, mythology and superstition. You expect me to agree to that and accept that as being something we as a species need? Under what circumstances and with what logic have you or anyone provided to make such a point of view (an Atheist point of view and not just my own) Worth changing? The fundamental issue atheists have with religion is that at the end of the day it isn't true.

I don't take anything i read in OT as fact, No offense to anyone on OT but you have just about 0 credibility in my mind. I will read what they have to say and do further research to verify it whenever practical but don't expect me to be quoting much of it as fact.

I find it ironic you use the term "Grounded in Reality" isn't that exactly what i am? There is 0 proof that God exists or that any religion is true so to believe in such things is the very definition of fantasy or delusion. Everywhere you look you can see the taint of religion, it might not be a person and therefor technically not capable of evil but its influence and teaching have had an effect for thousands of years. I'm not arguing against individuals but the institution itself an institution that has influenced the individuals involved.

Good people will do good things regardless because its human nature, Anyone who does good things because of religion, as if to gain gods favour do not meet my definition of good people, and i'd assume God would see through anyone just trying to suck up. Religion doesn't need to manipulate and intemperate religious texts in a certain way to get people to do good things, its not or atleast shouldn't be necessary , But it does in order to convince otherwise good people to do bad things. Either way i shouldn't even need to justify my reasoning because its not an issue of balance, its an issue on religion contributing to bad things.

Why does this have to turn into yet another christianity bashing?

yeah, people are surprised? religion has been the justification for the killing/enslavement of blacks for a long, long time, and both still happen all the time.

Oh religion, you so inspiring. ;)

ppl twisting religion into their own sick view . wats new

This topic is trolololololololo

Someone just wants to yell at Christians. Everyone knows that people don't get beat to death in the name of God. That's just an excuse.

[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

That just further proves my point, Even 1 war is too many. To simplify wars down to their motivation doesn't prove much as they are almost always motivated by power and greed. Religion is however a very powerful tool in war and just like in the Crusades it has been used to mass armies and justify horrific acts. Even today much of the divide we see in the world stems from religion and issues caused by religion.

Like i said earlier religion isn't the only source of evil and violence in the world but it is clearly one source, And as an Atheist how could i possibly condone or agree with the continued indoctrination of people into religion? Like you said the way to world peace is getting past and accepting our differences and religion has been a major factor in creating those differences throughout history and if we could remove it then that would be one less thing to fight over.

mattisgod01

Arguing hypotheticals would be pointless and tends to achieve very little.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Physical abuse causes nothing but psychological problems, it needs to be outlawed.

CaveJohnson1

It's really serious, but people do it anyway. Why? I think a combination of turning a blind eye and arogance in the form of "these things might happen to other kids that are spanked, but my kids wouldn't be affected in the way these studies show". Maybe laziness on the parents part.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]Indeed. But they just happen to be religious.. Right?foxhound_fox

I don't care what the intent is. Evil is evil.

These people can go fall on a jackhammer face first.

The stupidity and ignorance of some people is astounding.

OT has officially angered me for the night. Thanks, bye...

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]But it is the same religious scripture that has been used to fuel wars and spread hate and intollerance all throughout history. foxhound_fox

I find your religious apologism in this thread to be truly outstanding and devoid of a decent argument to support it. You almost seem dogmatic over the issue.

Jesus, there's a difference between spanking a child and beating one to death, these people deserve to be in prison no doubt, but that doesn't mean all people who spank they're kids do. I astounded at some of the posts in this thread.

Religion isn't a person but it is a tool of indoctrination, Indoctrination that i believe to be nothing but lies, mythology and superstition. You expect me to agree to that and accept that as being something we as a species need? Under what circumstances and with what logic have you or anyone provided to make such a point of view (an Atheist point of view and not just my own) Worth changing? The fundamental issue atheists have with religion is that at the end of the day it isn't true.

I don't take anything i read in OT as fact, No offense to anyone on OT but you have just about 0 credibility in my mind. I will read what they have to say and do further research to verify it whenever practical but don't expect me to be quoting much of it as fact.

I find it ironic you use the term "Grounded in Reality" isn't that exactly what i am? There is 0 proof that God exists or that any religion is true so to believe in such things is the very definition of fantasy or delusion. Everywhere you look you can see the taint of religion, it might not be a person and therefor technically not capable of evil but its influence and teaching have had an effect for thousands of years. I'm not arguing against individuals but the institution itself an institution that has influenced the individuals involved.

Good people will do good things regardless because its human nature, Anyone who does good things because of religion, as if to gain gods favour do not meet my definition of good people, and i'd assume God would see through anyone just trying to suck up. Religion doesn't need to manipulate and intemperate religious texts in a certain way to get people to do good things, its not or atleast shouldn't be necessary , But it does in order to convince otherwise good people to do bad things. Either way i shouldn't even need to justify my reasoning because its not an issue of balance, its an issue on religion contributing to bad things.

Title is very misleading compared to the news story that was posted.

pics or it didnt happen.

if you're not a fundamentalist, are you really a christian?

Blue-Sky

Before writing that did you think "Let me say the stupidest thing I can think of" ?

We should balme the parents and also "disciplne" as its interpreted in the bible doesn"t mean physical beatings. I find the article a bit biased its like that idiot super nanny who said the riots were caused by video games or people who blame school shootings on Maryln manson and heavy metal. These people were already screwed up

****en disgusting.chaoscougar1

Seems like a good book to me. That's the problem with parents today, they don't truly discipline their children. They'll just yell at them, which is utterly usless. I'm in full support of spanking as a means of discipline. Now obviously the parents here are a few bricks short of a full load, and I don't endorse that kind of un-loving punishment, but from what I have personally witnessed; children that are spanked by their parents grow up to be much better people than children who weren't.

Seems like a good book to me. That's the problem with parents today, they don't truly discipline their children. They'll just yell at them, which is utterly usless. I'm in full support of spanking as a means of discipline. Now obviously the parents here are a few bricks short of a full load, and I don't endorse that kind of un-loving punishment, but from what I have personally witnessed; children that are spanked by their parents grow up to be much better people than children who weren't.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Seems like a good book to me. That's the problem with parents today, they don't truly discipline their children. They'll just yell at them, which is utterly usless. I'm in full support of spanking as a means of discipline. Now obviously the parents here are a few bricks short of a full load, and I don't endorse that kind of un-loving punishment, but from what I have personally witnessed; children that are spanked by their parents grow up to be much better people than children who weren't.

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Seems like a good book to me. That's the problem with parents today, they don't truly discipline their children. They'll just yell at them, which is utterly usless. I'm in full support of spanking as a means of discipline. Now obviously the parents here are a few bricks short of a full load, and I don't endorse that kind of un-loving punishment, but from what I have personally witnessed; children that are spanked by their parents grow up to be much better people than children who weren't.

racer8dan

Overall I agree with your first point BUT only to a certain extent. Some children don't need spanking to learn there lesson, my brother and me for instance were thickheaded clowns and my mom spanked me.

To this day I thank her for acting the way she did when I acted like a clown, but at the same time she has never layed a finger on either of my sisters because they weren't idiots like I was lmao.

That is just my 2 cents on this whole spanking thing.

It's the first time I am hearing this, and I am just stupefact. How can the human being be such a terrible monster? Wouldn't it be easier for all of us to just hold our hands, to save the money spent on wars and spend it on food and shelter for those who need? We are all the same, white, black, yellow, red.. that doesn't matters, we are killing people and being racist because of the pigmentation of their skin, how silly do that sound?

It's the first time I am hearing this, and I am just stupefact. How can the human being be such a terrible monster? Wouldn't it be easier for all of us to just hold our hands, to save the money spent on wars and spend it on food and shelter for those who need? We are all the same, white, black, yellow, red.. that doesn't matters, we are killing people and being racist because of the pigmentation of their skin, how silly do that sound?

tjricardo089

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="racer8dan"]

Seems like a good book to me. That's the problem with parents today, they don't truly discipline their children. They'll just yell at them, which is utterly usless. I'm in full support of spanking as a means of discipline. Now obviously the parents here are a few bricks short of a full load, and I don't endorse that kind of un-loving punishment, but from what I have personally witnessed; children that are spanked by their parents grow up to be much better people than children who weren't.

racer8dan

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

It's the first time I am hearing this, and I am just stupefact. How can the human being be such a terrible monster? Wouldn't it be easier for all of us to just hold our hands, to save the money spent on wars and spend it on food and shelter for those who need? We are all the same, white, black, yellow, red.. that doesn't matters, we are killing people and being racist because of the pigmentation of their skin, how silly do that sound?

parkurtommo

No, it is people's fault. I am a religious man, I love my god and that's it. I would never kill, I would never beat someone, I would never insult someone in name of my religion. I only get mad, when people talk crap about my god, but I try to explain them my point of view instead of beating the crap out of them. So no, it's not religion's fault, it's people's fault. My god never told me to beat someone up, much on the contrary. And the bible, well we can't interpretate all to the letter, because the bible is the man's word about god, it's not the god's word. But enough of these religious conversations, the truth is that the human needs to change, the human needs to care more about the others instead of all about himself, and while that change does not happens, we will be here sitting and reading this preposterous news everyday.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

It's the first time I am hearing this, and I am just stupefact. How can the human being be such a terrible monster? Wouldn't it be easier for all of us to just hold our hands, to save the money spent on wars and spend it on food and shelter for those who need? We are all the same, white, black, yellow, red.. that doesn't matters, we are killing people and being racist because of the pigmentation of their skin, how silly do that sound?

tjricardo089

No, it is people's fault. I am a religious man, I love my god and that's it. I would never kill, I would never beat someone, I would never insult someone in name of my religion. I only get mad, when people talk crap about my god, but I try to explain them my point of view instead of beating the crap out of them. So no, it's not religion's fault, it's people's fault. My god never told me to beat someone up, much on the contrary. And the bible, well we can't interpretate all to the letter, because the bible is the man's word about god, it's not the god's word. But enough of these religious conversations, the truth is that the human needs to change, the human needs to care more about the others instead of all about himself, and while that change does not happens, we will be here sitting and reading this preposterous news everyday.

Misleading thread title. th3warr1or

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] It's all religion's fault... :Pparkurtommo

No, it is people's fault. I am a religious man, I love my god and that's it. I would never kill, I would never beat someone, I would never insult someone in name of my religion. I only get mad, when people talk crap about my god, but I try to explain them my point of view instead of beating the crap out of them. So no, it's not religion's fault, it's people's fault. My god never told me to beat someone up, much on the contrary. And the bible, well we can't interpretate all to the letter, because the bible is the man's word about god, it's not the god's word. But enough of these religious conversations, the truth is that the human needs to change, the human needs to care more about the others instead of all about himself, and while that change does not happens, we will be here sitting and reading this preposterous news everyday.

Me neither, I was just giving my huuuuge opinion, sorry you had to read all of that :P

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Not true at all. Either elaborate or express your defeat.walbeb

Overall I agree with your first point BUT only to a certain extent. Some children don't need spanking to learn there lesson, my brother and me for instance were thickheaded clowns and my mom spanked me.

To this day I thank her for acting the way she did when I acted like a clown, but at the same time she has never layed a finger on either of my sisters because they weren't idiots like I was lmao.

That is just my 2 cents on this whole spanking thing.

[QUOTE="racer8dan"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Not true at all. Either elaborate or express your defeat.parkurtommo