White House releases Obama birth certificate

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

An apple .vs. a baseball bat?! That is one of the silliest analogies I've ever heard.

If both documents have the same legal weight as far as proving citizenship, the differences between them don't matter.

They are both birth certificates and one is simply more detailed. If you ask for a birth certificate in Hawaii, you get the short term. The same is true in Arizona.

The people who wanted this conspiracy to be true or believed it are the only ones with egg on their face.

Necrifer

I liked his analogy!

Well, you must like it for comedic reasons because it doesn't make sense.

The short form and long form are both birth certificates. They are just different versions so to say.

A baseball bat and apple have nothing in common.

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"]Birth certificate aside.. Don't both parents have to be American citizens? And if I recall.. His father never was..DroidPhysX

No. If you're born in the U.S. you're instantly a citizen. That's why states want to challenge the 14th amendment for 'anchor babies'

took them long enough

It's not like there was a legitimate reason to believe that he wasn't born in the US when the issue first came up. The issue was fabricated and his race might very well be a reason for that. To think otherwise is just plain naive.GreySeal9

I don't think Obama's race was the reason for that necessarily, but rather his "exoticness". Race (maybe) combined with his name, his ancestry, his history (such as spending a period of his childhood outside the United States). So I won't say racism was behind the Birther movement, but I think xenophobia definately was.

Which is an important semantic difference in some states, but there was no way to know in Hawaii since they wouldn't bother telling anyone. In my state, it's a Certificate of Live Birth, and can be either a short form or a long form. In some states, a Certificate of Live Birth is the short form while the Birth Certificate is the long form. Stop assuming.MAILER_DAEMON

I still don't see why "some states" matters so much beyond some people getting confused because they don't realize that different states have different procedures. The President was born in Hawaii, so what matters is Hawaii's prodecures and those were discussed ad naseum on the news.

Anybody whose motive for "questioning" is simply as innocent as getting mixed up on this semantic detail would probably be reassured by the birth announcement in the paper or when the Health Director confirmed that the long for in fact existed.

Those who were not that satisfied with those two things were conspiracy theorists (not simply 'questioners') because to doubt the Health Director would be to accuse of her of being "in on it".

Obviously this is a clever forgery put together by teh Mole People....it will become clear after today's Fed announcement that they have successfully replaced our most influential leaders with cyborgs....the Mole People are pure evil....do not be fooled!...Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's not like there was a legitimate reason to believe that he wasn't born in the US when the issue first came up. The issue was fabricated and his race might very well be a reason for that. To think otherwise is just plain naive.worlock77

I don't think Obama's race was the reason for that necessarily, but rather his "exoticness". Race (maybe) combined with his name, his ancestry, his history (such as spending a period of his childhood outside the United States). So I won't say racism was behind the Birther movement, but I think xenophobia definately was.

Yeah, that's probably more reasonable, but the exoticness kind of what I was alluding to. Race was a heavy-handed term I admit.

Reed Richards has the mole man in check.sonicare

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]It's not like there was a legitimate reason to believe that he wasn't born in the US when the issue first came up. The issue was fabricated and his race might very well be a reason for that. To think otherwise is just plain naive.GreySeal9

I don't think Obama's race was the reason for that necessarily, but rather his "exoticness". Race (maybe) combined with his name, his ancestry, his history (such as spending a period of his childhood outside the United States). So I won't say racism was behind the Birther movement, but I think xenophobia definately was.

Yeah, that's probably more reasonable, but the exoticness kind of what I was alluding to. Race was a heavy-handed term I admit.

kinda reminds me of this

I find it a little funny that all the people that for the past year had been shouting "he already released his birth certificate" now have egg on their faces. :)

YellowOneKinobi

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html He did like 2 years ago, my god, how many people struggle with using google?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I don't think Obama's race was the reason for that necessarily, but rather his "exoticness". Race (maybe) combined with his name, his ancestry, his history (such as spending a period of his childhood outside the United States). So I won't say racism was behind the Birther movement, but I think xenophobia definately was.

Serraph105

Yeah, that's probably more reasonable, but the exoticness kind of what I was alluding to. Race was a heavy-handed term I admit.

kinda reminds me off this

LOL at the man on the right.

I wouldn't expect Trump to let up soon. He's now after Obama's academic records.

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

fueled-system

I suppose it's possible, though I would think more likely they simply considered it a non-issue.

My question is; how smart are republicans if 2/5 of them believe obama was not born in the U.S.?

Good, can we now dump the birthers in the loony bin with the truthers?

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

worlock77

I suppose it's possible, though I would think more likely they simply considered it a non-issue.

but its a genious and perfect move for obama. to me it will way heavy in his favor by removing trump from the race

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Well, no one ever said you had to be intelligent to make lots of money.SaintLeonidas

He's making noise very effectively. He's very good at playing "the game".

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

fueled-system

I suppose it's possible, though I would think more likely they simply considered it a non-issue.

but its a genious and perfect move for obama. to me it will way heavy in his favor by removing trump from the race

Ehh, Trump isn't in the race. Sure he's making a lot of noise now, but I highly doubt he's ever had any intention of seriously running when it comes down to it.

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

fueled-system

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

airshocker

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

Actually, close to half think Obama wasn't born in US

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/polls-show-about-half-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

airshocker

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

Actually, close to half think Obama wasn't born in US

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/polls-show-about-half-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

DroidPhysX

On top of that, links like these will feed their fuel not to believe!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread694949/pg1

Apparently some people think the released certificate is in layers, and not a flat scanned document.

Like that proves anything!

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

DroidPhysX

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

Actually, close to half think Obama wasn't born in US

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/polls-show-about-half-of-gopers-think-obama-wasnt-born-in-us.php

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

chessmaster1989

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

In one move Obama has destroyed the trump campaign and a huge blow to republicans.

My question though is whether or not this was delayed so long to be used as a political tactic by the Obama administration

airshocker

Uh, the vast majority of Republicans aren't birthers, despite what MSNBC tells you.

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

chessmaster1989

Oh well, now they know they're wrong. And our best candidates don't buy into that birther BS, so lets hope intelligence prevails.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

airshocker

Oh well, now they know they're wrong. And our best candidates don't buy into that birther BS, so lets hope intelligence prevails.

I think that is what people have been telling the birthers for years now.Serraph105

To be fair, there isn't one type of birther. Republicans can be manipulated just like anybody else.

I don'treally care anyway but why would they spend all that money trying to suppress it in the courts and now decide to release it?

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]I think that is what people have been telling the birthers for years now.airshocker

To be fair, there isn't one type of birther. Republicans can be manipulated just like anybody else.

I didn't say anything about birthers and political association >_>Serraph105

Neither did I.

I meant, there are those who completely believe in the idea, and those who don't and only believe what they're told.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

Oh well, now they know they're wrong. And our best candidates don't buy into that birther BS, so lets hope intelligence prevails.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Admittedly an old poll, but one from PPP in February found that 51% of Republican primary voters don't believe Obama was born in the US, while an addition 21% weren't sure. 28% believed he was.

Now you can argue that Republican primary voters aren't necessarily representative of the Republican party as a whole, but this poll and others like it certainly suggest a strong birther presence in the Republican party.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_US_0215.pdf

airshocker

Oh well, now they know they're wrong. And our best candidates don't buy into that birther BS, so lets hope intelligence prevails.

I'd say there still be 15-20% that still believe its fake

there will always be those that question, like already people are questioning it.

I'd say there still be 15-20% that still believe its fake

fueled-system

That's fine. Better than 50%.

[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Bernanke isn't a Keynesian as much as he is a monetarist in the same vein as Milton Friedman. And how would deflation inspire spending as of now?-Sun_Tzu-

Deflation is never good for the economy, but disinflation can be.

I can't be the only one here who wouldn't give a damn if it turned out the birther's were right.

I'm also sure that this one quiet the skeptics.

Serraph105

They couldn't have done this like 2 years ago?

I guess they just wanted to make a lot of people look bad. Politics sucks.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They couldn't have done this like 2 years ago?

I guess they just wanted to make a lot of people look bad. Politics sucks.

curono

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I can't be the only one here who wouldn't give a damn if it turned out the birther's were right.

I'm also sure that this one quiet the skeptics.

LJS9502_basic

Why not just do this earlier? Not sure why Obama let that nonsense continue for so long.

Why not just do this earlier? Not sure why Obama let that nonsense continue for so long.

Espada12

Why not just do this earlier? Not sure why Obama let that nonsense continue for so long.

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Why not just do this earlier? Not sure why Obama let that nonsense continue for so long.