Who deserves a higher salary: A soldier, or a doctor?

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#1 karriston
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What do you think about this? Should a soldier be paid more than a doctor? Should a doctor be paid more than a soldier? Which one, and why?
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#2 Punjabiking101
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i never understood why soldiers get crappy pay.:?
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#3 aaaaarrrrggggg
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The government would never be able to support soldiers with salaries that high.
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#4 wado-karate
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So, the medic should get paid the most?
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#5 Omega_Zero69
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i believe the doctor should get paid more because they save lives and use science and medicine to help instead of using violence and war
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#6 Legendaryscmt
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Intense physcial labor against intense mental labor.
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#7 Engrish_Major
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So, the medic should get paid the most?wado-karate
If he needs to go to school longer, sure. Many jobs are dangerous, like fishing, mining, etc. However, safer jobs that require more school, such as lawyers, doctors, architects, etc. pay better to balance all of the schooling required.
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#8 MetroidPrimePwn
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So, the medic should get paid the most?wado-karate

No. The Spy should get paid the most.

Either him or the Heavy.

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#9 k_smoove
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Doctors require more education and stuff, so it would make sense for them to be paid more.
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#10 Hoobinator
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Private Military Contractors. Those fine, brave, mercenaries.
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[QUOTE="wado-karate"]So, the medic should get paid the most?MetroidPrimePwn

No. The Spy should get paid the most.

Either him or the Heavy.

Engineer does do a lot of work though, so can't forget him.

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[QUOTE="wado-karate"]So, the medic should get paid the most?Engrish_Major
If he needs to go to school longer, sure. Many jobs are dangerous, like fishing, mining, etc. However, safer jobs that require more school, such as lawyers, doctors, architects, etc. pay better to balance all of the schooling required.

So, do you think that once student loans have been paid off, the pay should be reduced? Surely a dangerous job should be paid more than a safe one?
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#13 Funky_Llama
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A doctor. Saving lives should be rewarded more than taking them.
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#14 Bloodbath_87
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Doctors, for sure. The work they do is much more important than what anyone else does.
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#15 Greyfeld
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The doctor should be paid more. Not because he went to school longer, but because the amount of knowledge necessary to be a licensed doctor isn't something you come across day to day. The average person can't perform brain surgery, or remove a bullet and stitch up the wound in a way that avoids infection. On the other hand, pretty much any joe blow can pick up a rifle and pull the trigger.
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Doctor, no question.
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#17 UnknownSniper65
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Doctors already make quite a bit of money...the amount of money we pay low ranked enlisted soldiers is terrible compared to what companies like Blackwater are willing to pay. Pretty bad when Blackwater employees get more time off,less restrictions,better food,and can quit whenever they want. Soldiers essentially have to sign their lifes away for 4 years (beyond that now, thanks to stop-loss)

They both deserve more, overall though.

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#18 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

[QUOTE="wado-karate"]So, the medic should get paid the most?Legendaryscmt

No. The Spy should get paid the most.

Either him or the Heavy.

Engineer does do a lot of work though, so can't forget him.

I think the scout should be paid the most, to compensate for his comparative weakness.
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]So, the medic should get paid the most?karriston
If he needs to go to school longer, sure. Many jobs are dangerous, like fishing, mining, etc. However, safer jobs that require more school, such as lawyers, doctors, architects, etc. pay better to balance all of the schooling required.

So, do you think that once student loans have been paid off, the pay should be reduced? Surely a dangerous job should be paid more than a safe one?

It all has to do with supply and availability. Not everybody off the street can be a doctor. They have to go through several years of school and training. It's also a valued commodity -> people need and want doctors. It's not saying that what soldiers do is unimportant, just that it's harder to come by doctors.
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#20 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="wado-karate"]So, the medic should get paid the most?karriston
If he needs to go to school longer, sure. Many jobs are dangerous, like fishing, mining, etc. However, safer jobs that require more school, such as lawyers, doctors, architects, etc. pay better to balance all of the schooling required.

So, do you think that once student loans have been paid off, the pay should be reduced? Surely a dangerous job should be paid more than a safe one?

It's supply and demand. There are not as many people that can successfully obtain a MD degree. Almost anyone that is physically able can be a soldier.
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#21 markop2003
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Doctor, though a high ranking soldier should make the same
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#22 superheromonkey
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It is supply and demand. Doctors require much more specialized training, thus are rarer, thus get paid more. If everyone could be a doctor easily then they would not get nearly as much.
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#23 karriston
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[QUOTE="karriston"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] If he needs to go to school longer, sure. Many jobs are dangerous, like fishing, mining, etc. However, safer jobs that require more school, such as lawyers, doctors, architects, etc. pay better to balance all of the schooling required.sonicare
So, do you think that once student loans have been paid off, the pay should be reduced? Surely a dangerous job should be paid more than a safe one?

It all has to do with supply and availability. Not everybody off the street can be a doctor. They have to go through several years of school and training. It's also a valued commodity -> people need and want doctors. It's not saying that what soldiers do is unimportant, just that it's harder to come by doctors.

True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone. And with wars in Iraq and other places in the world, are soldiers not becoming a valued commodity too? (By the way, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here).
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#24 Lief_Ericson
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"][QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

No. The Spy should get paid the most.

Either him or the Heavy.

Funky_Llama

Engineer does do a lot of work though, so can't forget him.

I think the scout should be paid the most, to compensate for his comparative weakness.

Pyro's can get heat exhaustion or accidently burn themselves maybe they should get a raise too for those nasty medical bills

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#25 II_Seraphim_II
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Salaries aren't based on which job is more vital or more important, rather on which job requires more training to do. Almost anyone can join the military if they choose so, but very few people have the qualifications to become a practicing doctor. I think some basic economics also plays a part in this. The pool of available doctors is a lot smaller than that of soldiers, and we all know about supply and demand. The demand for doctors is a lot higher and the supply a lot smaller, so the salary seems to be higher to entice more people to train to become doctors. If everyone were a doctor and there were barely any soldiers yet the demand for soldiers was very high, I believe you would see salary spikes in the military in an attempt to entice more people to join and salaries in the medical sector would drop off, if the supply is high, yet demand is low.
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#26 lucky326
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Doctor, though a high ranking soldier should make the samemarkop2003
Anyone above Officer ranking has a nice pay deal Also Senior Doctors make a nice bit of pay as well, especially those in Private Practise.
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#27 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Engineer does do a lot of work though, so can't forget him.

Lief_Ericson

I think the scout should be paid the most, to compensate for his comparative weakness.

Pyro's can get heat exhaustion or accidently burn themselves maybe they should get a raise too for those nasty medical bills

Now that's true. Also the soldier should get a cut in pay because bloody anyone can be a good soldier.
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#28 karriston
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Here's another question to add to it: Who deserves a higher salary: A fireman, or a politician?
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#29 BurnsOfRage
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Doctor gets more.. or soldiers become useless as they die from simple infections.
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#30 Blitz_Nemesis
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i think doctors should get more, but soldiers arre really underpaid. doctors actually go to school and work hard on their education to get where they are at. soldiers due put their lives on the line and need a pay increase but not to make more then a doctor.
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#31 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="karriston"] True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone. And with wars in Iraq and other places in the world, are soldiers not becoming a valued commodity too? (By the way, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here).

As soldiers become scarcer and scarcer, the pay will increase accordingly.
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#32 markop2003
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Doctor, though a high ranking soldier should make the samelucky326
Anyone above Officer ranking has a nice pay deal Also Senior Doctors make a nice bit of pay as well, especially those in Private Practise.

A standard GP makes about 100K, you don't need to be a high ranking doctor to get high wages
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#33 Engrish_Major
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Here's another question to add to it: Who deserves a higher salary: A fireman, or a politician?karriston
Now that's a better question. I do believe that politicians, while their base pay might be fair, get an undue amount of money from outside sources that can influence their work.
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#34 karriston
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]Doctor, though a high ranking soldier should make the samelucky326
Anyone above Officer ranking has a nice pay deal Also Senior Doctors make a nice bit of pay as well, especially those in Private Practise.

Private practise is a tricky one in the context of this question though, don't you think? Would you say someone who forces people to pay extortionate prices for things they may need to improve or maintain their quality of life just so that they can live an excessively comfortable life deserves more than a doctor who works for much less in a hospital?
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True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone.karriston
Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>
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[QUOTE="karriston"] True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone.Funky_Llama
Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>

But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="karriston"] True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone.karriston
Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>

But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?

They knew what they were in for when they picked soldier. Maybe they should have been something less stressful like engineer.
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#38 cyberdarkkid
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Doctors study for years to earn their salary.
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Doctors actually save lives and soliders risk their life to kill other lives to safe lives.

I would say doctors because they protect more lives.

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[QUOTE="karriston"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>II-FBIsniper-II
But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?

They knew what they were in for when they picked soldier. Maybe they should have been something less stressful like engineer.

That's my point though. Surely the amount of conscripts that broke down in the first and second world wars, the Vietnam war and countless others, shows that not everyone is up to the task? Damn you if you're making yet another Team Fortress reference though.
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[QUOTE="karriston"]But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?II-FBIsniper-II
They knew what they were in for when they picked soldier. Maybe they should have been something less stressful like engineer.

All this shows is, while I would agree there are exceptional soldiers, given the wrong situation anyone will break.
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="karriston"] True, but not everyone off the street can be an effective soldier too, especially with the mental and physical strain it takes to be in a war-zone.karriston
Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>

But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?

Damn, I knew people wouldn't get that. U_U
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#43 karriston
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Doctors actually save lives and soliders risk their life to kill other lives to safe lives.

I would say doctors because they protect more lives.

Gaming-Planet
You can't say that about every soldier though. What about those that are just defending their countries, or themselves? Would someone who fought to defend Britain during WW II deserve equal or more pay than a doctor during the same period?
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#44 karriston
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[QUOTE="karriston"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Pfft, like hell, all he needs to do is fire the rocket launcher, and chances are it'll be a crit rocket, which have blast radii of several miles. >_>Funky_Llama
But what about shell shock? What about the suicide rates of Vietnam vets? Surely this shows that not everyone has what it takes to be a soldier in a war?

Damn, I knew people wouldn't get that. U_U

Goddamit, not another one :p You guys are ruining my one and only serious topic on Gamespot :(
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#45 Pythos77
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Being a Doctor myself Ive got to say that salaries for most doctors are well deserved and alot of us are actualy underpaid while a few way way overpaid for what they actualy do. Ive got to tell you that the training you undrego to become a Doc, Medschool, internship, residence etc is very demanding competitive and not to forgiving. It requires sacrifice and commitment.to get through but it doesnt end their, Although it seems to be diminishing now days, our social responsablity is also quite huge as well. You spend long hours training, working in a high stress environment where although you might not be aware of it You (the Doctor) are exposed to life threatning factors on a daily basis these usualy come in the form of viruses, bacterias, fungi, contaminated Sharps, Stress, lawyers, and nurses lol.

The responsability we contract with patients is inmense and any mistake on our part is deemed instantly unforgivable, and immideately sueable. A large part of Medical Lawsuits are brough about not because of actual fault on the Dr's behalf but by money hungry lawyers and disgruntled misguided patients.

If you factor in the time spent away from family, being on call on holydays and weekends. Long work hours high stress among other things, not to mention the costs of running your own practice and hiring staff. then the potential benefits sometimes just dont seem like its enough. and might barely compensate.

A soldier, especialy one in combat is at risk on a more acute basis and I cant describe what the cost to them represents but yeah some of them should be compensated a little more, But then again so should teachers.

Hope this helps bring some perspective on your question

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#46 Xeros606
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i really cannot say one or the other. a doctor spends a lot of time, energy, and money learning to be a doctor. a soldier puts his/her life on the line to defend their country. doctors are paid more because not everyone has the money/talent/grades/dedication/time to go to med school, while soldiers can really be anyone without any disability. its all supply and demand. doctors are paid more only because there are way less doctors than soldiers.
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#47 Treflis
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A doctor spends a lot of time and effort into saving lives. A soldier, normally though there are expections, take lives. I think a Doctor and Medic should get paid more then a soldier because not only can they help fellow soldiers but also Civilians that require medical assistance.
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[QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

Doctors actually save lives and soliders risk their life to kill other lives to safe lives.

I would say doctors because they protect more lives.

karriston
You can't say that about every soldier though. What about those that are just defending their countries, or themselves? Would someone who fought to defend Britain during WW II deserve equal or more pay than a doctor during the same period?


No. Being a doctor requires years of going to school and it isnt cheap at all. Also, if you are a surgeon, then you need even more schooling time. It isnt something everybody can do, its not as simple as; go to school, get job, YAY!! You actually need to retain just about everything they teach you. Its a very time consuming process. Doctors deserve more.
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If you think about it, nobody is going to give like 30% of our income to increase the entire military personnel's wages to be similar to a doctors annual salary. If that were the case the half the US population would be active in the military. Plus if you're going to up a soldiers income because of before mentioned reasons, then why shouldn't a Police officer or a Fireman receive higher wages. Or anyone else for that matter that places their life on the line constantly for the luxory of others. Wages here are for the most part based on how many people can do that job. If 10/10 people can be a soldier and 1/10 people can cut being a doctor then naturally society is going to pay a doctor more cause they are scarce. Same goes for any other profession.
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A strictly economic perspective would say doctor, since their skills are less common. Supply and demand, baby