Who deserves a higher salary: A soldier, or a doctor?

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#51 GabuEx
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i never understood why soldiers get crappy pay.:?Punjabiking101

Easily replaceable, basically. Sounds rather callous, but that's the way supply and demand works.

That's not to say I don't think they deserve better pay, of course.

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#52 brickdoctor
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Private Military Contractors. Those fine, brave, mercenaries.Hoobinator
Technically, a PMC could be classified as a soldier, but I think he means more of the actually military under the command of the U.S. President, now Barrack Obama.

I think a soldier deserves more salary. The drama of watching your friends die, and the unforgivable guilt of killing someone, is much more demanding than being a doctor. Not to mention the likeliness of a soldier being killed in combat. How many doctors do you hear of on the news being killed on the job.

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#53 karriston
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Hmm, some very insightful...uh....insights guys. You've given me a lot to think about before I go to sleep tonight. *Adjusts monocle, sucks pipe and takes off slippers*
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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Engineer does do a lot of work though, so can't forget him.

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I think the scout should be paid the most, to compensate for his comparative weakness.

Pyro's can get heat exhaustion or accidently burn themselves maybe they should get a raise too for those nasty medical bills

I think the Heavy because each of his bullets costs $200. It costs $400,000 to fire that minigun for 12 seconds. That is, unless they pay for his ammo.
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#55 HybridPhoenix
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Doctor.
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#56 bazookajoe19
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Doctors save lives and soldiers take lives. Doctors definitely deserve more.
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#57 II-FBIsniper-II
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[QUOTE="karriston"] Damn you if you're making yet another Team Fortress reference though.

Sorry. :oops:
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#58 darksword1123
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The doctor because it takes a lot of devotion to your studies to become a doctor.
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#59 alphamale1989
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Definitly doctors, what the point of going through medical school if your not going to get good pay.

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#60 Evolution-X0
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soldiers are in dangerous areas fighting for the protection of this country and doctors are in a room telling whats wrong with you and make u wait along time.

soldiers i would think

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#61 Bloodbath_87
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Definitly doctors, what the point of going through medical school if your not going to get good pay.

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Because some of them really like slaving for 15 hours over bleeding bodies. :D
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#62 Blu_Falcon37
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I don't think soldiers should get a pay as high as doctors, but I definitely think they need a pay raise.
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#63 greenprince
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Not if you're a solider working for Blackwater.

And this is another interesting Blackwater cost comparison:

An unmarried sergeant given Iraq pay and relief from U.S. taxes makes about $83 to $85 a day, given time in service. A married sergeant with children makes about double that, $170 a day.

Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad overseeing more than 160,000 U.S. troops, makes roughly $180,000 a year, or about $493 a day. That comes out to less than half the fee charged by Blackwater for its senior manager of a 34-man security team.

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#64 spdracr99
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Doctors, BUT soldiers don't make enough for what they are risking.
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#65 Serraph105
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hmm never really thought about it before but I'm going with the doctor simply because it takes a lot more intelligence to be a doctor. There are a lot of doctors who could go be a soldier but how many soldiers could turn around and be a doctor?

also good job this topic it has just as much controversy as a religion thread but its original.

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#66 artichoke
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Doctor. After spending years learning to be a doctor they then have to pay for all their loans from medical school. Besides they're saving lives not killing.
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#67 Ice-Hot_MoFo
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Doctor, it takes alot more training and school to be a doctor. But I think that soldiers are very underpaid.
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[QUOTE="karriston"]What do you think about this? Should a soldier be paid more than a doctor? Should a doctor be paid more than a soldier? Which one, and why?

Good question. One saves lives. While the other ends lives, in order to save other lives.
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Doctor. After spending years learning to be a doctor they then have to pay for all their loans from medical school. Besides they're saving lives not killing.artichoke
whoa! most people look at it as a protecting their country you know.
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You can be trained to be a soldier in a matter of months, being a doctor requires 8 years of highly difficult schooling. Hmm......
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#72 sAndroid17
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[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"][QUOTE="alphamale1989"]

Definitly doctors, what the point of going through medical school if your not going to get good pay.

Because some of them really like slaving for 15 hours over bleeding bodies. :D

lol, they both do that :P but yeah Doctors of Course
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#73 artichoke
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[QUOTE="artichoke"]Doctor. After spending years learning to be a doctor they then have to pay for all their loans from medical school. Besides they're saving lives not killing.Serraph105
whoa! most people look at it as a protecting their country you know.

I didn't mean to say that they're evil, cold hearted killing machines. I'm just saying that doctor's sacrifice a lot of time and effort to save people's lives and that surely deserves more compensation.
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#74 Honenheim
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A person who takes a life shouldn't be paid at all.
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#75 chester706
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The doctor. They work much harder and save lives using intelligence and their knowledge. Also there is a much less margain of error if at all for a doctor in respect to the rest of the world.
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#76 Hoobinator
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I like how everyone just implicitly assumes without any question that the soldier must be working for the "forces" of good. Yep he saves lives just like the Doctor. Erm, wait a minute that's not necessarily a given. The reasons as it has been said before why a soldier gets paid less is because he is disposable, a piece of cannon fodder to those who wish to wage war. The ones who want it are never on the front lines waging it.

The Doctors job is to save lives, that's what everything he does entails. There is no such memorandum of understanding with a soldier, he does whatever his superiors tell him, good or bad. Rescue baby orphans, or blow an innocent village to shreds, he either does it or faces court marshall.

The value of a doctor is worth far more than a soldier for a variety of reasons, which I can't be bothered to list. The irony of all this is that a PMC will get paid far more than a top doctor and soldier combined with far less work and responsibility, and he's not as accountable. Yay for modern madness.


*Hoobinator telling it as it is, yet again*

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A person who takes a life shouldn't be paid at all.Honenheim
Yes and then we can all live in your fantasy world where nobody can be meanies.
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#78 Tauruslink
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The doctor.
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#79 Honenheim
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[QUOTE="Honenheim"]A person who takes a life shouldn't be paid at all.UT_Wrestler
Yes and then we can all live in your fantasy world where nobody can be meanies.

Yes, you're right on the target, i live in a pink fantasy world filled with unicorns and faries >_>..... soldiers fighting for freedom my ass.
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#80 rockguy92
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I think doctor.
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#81 Theokhoth
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The doctor. The soldier deserves better retirement.
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Doctors, for sure. The work they do is much more important than what anyone else does.Bloodbath_87
Is it? well if it weren't for the Armed Forces there would be no doctors so your logic fails right there. Secondly there are many more important jobs than doctors, in my experience doctors are useless for the most part they just prescribe antibiotics like they are candy.
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Is it? well if it weren't for the Armed Forces there would be no doctors so your logic fails right there. Secondly there are many more important jobs than doctors, in my experience doctors are useless for the most part they just prescribe antibiotics like they are candy.UrbanSpartan125

I didn't know the armed forces created doctors? And wouldn't there be doctors as part of the armed forces anyway what with them treating wounded soldiers? So if all there was were armed forces there would be doctors and if there were no armed forces or those willing to fight around the world, then doctors would naturally still be around treating people during peace time without a threat to their lives? In which case your argument about there being no doctors without armed forces kind of fails. Because doctors never originated with the military and would be around regardless of wars or armies anyway?

Anyway you're right, I thank the brave Russian and Chinese soldiers who fight for the protection of modern day doctors in their countries and around the world from evil out of control rogue regimes? You guys are the best.

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Intense physcial labor against intense mental labor.Legendaryscmt
being a soldier requires intense mental labor too
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#85 brickdoctor
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Think of it this way. There would be no American doctors if there was no American Soldiers to defend our land
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Honenheim"]A person who takes a life shouldn't be paid at all.Honenheim
Yes and then we can all live in your fantasy world where nobody can be meanies.

Yes, you're right on the target, i live in a pink fantasy world filled with unicorns and faries >_>..... soldiers fighting for freedom my ass.

Like it or not, armies are a necessary evil in protecting national security. If they U.S. was completely demilitarized, we'd be invaded and destroyed in a matter of days.
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#87 GabuEx
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Think of it this way. There would be no American doctors if there was no American Soldiers to defend our landbrickdoctor

If you took that to its logical extreme, then you'd be paying soldiers more than any other job on the planet... and given that there are over a million of them in the American armed forces alone, that'd kinda require rather strong tax increases to pay for them all.

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#88 deactivated-5a84f3399aa1c
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You can't draft doctors.
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[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"]Is it? well if it weren't for the Armed Forces there would be no doctors so your logic fails right there. Secondly there are many more important jobs than doctors, in my experience doctors are useless for the most part they just prescribe antibiotics like they are candy.Hoobinator

I didn't know the armed forces created doctors? And wouldn't there be doctors as part of the armed forces anyway what with them treating wounded soldiers? So if all there was were armed forces there would be doctors and if there were no armed forces or those willing to fight around the world, then doctors would naturally still be around treating people during peace time without a threat to their lives? In which case your argument about there being no doctors without armed forces kind of fails. Because doctors never originated with the military and would be around regardless of wars or armies anyway?

Anyway you're right, I thank the brave Russian and Chinese soldiers who fight for the protection of modern day doctors in their countries and around the world from evil out of control rogue regimes? You guys are the best.

As the person above me said, There would be no American Doctors, without American Armed foces. We would be taken over by another country and the doctors in this country would have no way to defend themselves against and enemy threat. Thus doctors are useless without the Armed foces.
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Doctors, of course. Am i the only one in a country where military forces are not treated like saviours?
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[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Honenheim"]A person who takes a life shouldn't be paid at all.Honenheim
Yes and then we can all live in your fantasy world where nobody can be meanies.

Yes, you're right on the target, i live in a pink fantasy world filled with unicorns and faries >_>..... soldiers fighting for freedom my ass.

You see, you take it for granted that we have not been invaded. Yet had we had a less powerful military or were completely demilitarized you would be begging for soldiers. The day will come, not necessarily in this country but in others and it is happening now, the less powerful military always loses and the people are subjected to the other country's power, and they no longer have the freedom to do what they want when they want.
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As the person above me said, There would be no American Doctors, without American Armed foces. We would be taken over by another country and the doctors in this country would have no way to defend themselves against and enemy threat. Thus doctors are useless without the Armed foces.UrbanSpartan125
I didn't question the value of the soldier, I questioned your notion that there would be no doctors at all without armed forces, you never stated a particular country, but as a general, universal statement, which is what your first sentence of your first post was, it was erroneous. I still contend that doctors of enemy nations are still valued and would still be around, history of nations taking over other nations backs me up on this fact. Doctors have always had a universal appeal and respect as well.
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#93 Hoobinator
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Doctors, of course. Am i the only one in a country where military forces are not treated like saviours?joao_22990
Nope. I don't salivate at armed forces either. They do what they must, simple as that. It's all part of a larger militarization of civilian societies in general. A society which respects the value of its soldiers and war, will always be prepared to wage it more often. See the history of European powers in the early and middle 20th Century.
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Military Doctor FTW!!!!!!!!
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A soldier should fight because he wants to fight for his country, not because he wants to get payed.
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[QUOTE="UrbanSpartan125"] As the person above me said, There would be no American Doctors, without American Armed foces. We would be taken over by another country and the doctors in this country would have no way to defend themselves against and enemy threat. Thus doctors are useless without the Armed foces.Hoobinator
I didn't question the value of the soldier, I questioned your notion that there would be no doctors at all without armed forces, you never stated a particular country, but as a general, universal statement, which is what your first sentence of your first post was, it was erroneous. I still contend that doctors of enemy nations are still valued and would still be around, history of nations taking over other nations backs me up on this fact. Doctors have always had a universal appeal and respect as well.

Yes but why would a doctor from the US want to treat enemy combatants and others who have just invaded our nation, although this is even required for US medics now to treat enemy combatants, an invasion would be different. And just because he is a soldier doesnt mean they dont have a career ahead of them, many people in the military are there for 4 years on average and then move on to a career in which they like. Just because someone is in the military doesnt mean they are killing machines, they have families and they have careers.
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[QUOTE="joao_22990"]Doctors, of course. Am i the only one in a country where military forces are not treated like saviours?Hoobinator
Nope. I don't salivate at armed forces either. They do what they must, simple as that. It's all part of a larger militarization of civilian societies in general. A society which respects the value of its soldiers and war, will always be prepared to wage it more often. See the history of European powers in the early and middle 20th Century.

But thats an unfortunate fact of what we have to do in todays world to defend ourselves, we must always be prepared for war even in peactime to ensure that our country is safe.
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#98 Hoobinator
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Yes but why would a doctor from the US want to treat enemy combatants and others who have just invaded our nation, although this is even required for US medics now to treat enemy combatants, an invasion would be different. And just because he is a soldier doesnt mean they dont have a career ahead of them, many people in the military are there for 4 years on average and then move on to a career in which they like. Just because someone is in the military doesnt mean they are killing machines, they have families and they have careers.UrbanSpartan125
Don't really know too much about history do you? Doctors throughout history have treated enemy combatants all around the world. Even in P.O.W camps there are doctors who look after the enemy. You're making the enemy out to be some barbaric monster. Even if a nation was to invade another the value of the doctor would still be needed for its own civilian purposes. And when did I make it out that a value of a man who is a soldier is only of a killing machine. I think I made it abundantly clear that they do what they are told to do, regardless of whether it's good or bad. You're starting arguments which aren't there.
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A soldier, could it be more vague?

Are you referring to a private, or what?

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#100 kemar7856
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hmm good question I would say doctor because they have to go to school for 8 years for post secondary but soliders put there lives ob the line they should get tax breaks etc but high paying saliers for soliders will cost the goverment money so they should get free school,medical services wtc.

I remember hearing that in WW1/WW2 they were getting like a $1 a day lol