Who do you think will go down as the better President, Obama or George W Bush?

Just a question.

George W. Bush.

-Brings up the flame shield.-

It's too early to tell. (Edit) However, I find Obama's politics and decisions so far from my beliefs and politics that, in my eyes anyway, old bumbling George was far superior.

In a thousand years there will be very simple little quibs for both presidents that will read like this

G W Bush- 9/11

Obama- First black president

too hard to say.. really.

I can't predict how the future cultures, and social circumstances of future times.. will look back on the history that is taking place now.. and feel about it. I hope they don't think Bush, or Obama.. were good leaders.. since they' can't effectively do anything as president of the united states.. It's just a symbol.. The have no real power.. and they remind me of the guy you vote to be your High School president.. they get stuck decorating for prom.. and not doing anything serious at all.

They're both D- presidents if you were to grade them imo, so I'd say they are both equally crappy.

They both spent(d) WAY too much.

I would hope Bush..

There is so little difference that I would say its a tie.

What is going to make or break liberal vs conservative presidents is the economy.

When it tanks, which it will, liberalism and fiscal irresponsibility will be destroyed. Now I'm not saying Bush was the most fiscally-responsible leader, but it's pretty clear Obama is running our economy into the ground with legislation he has no means of paying for except by taxing the ever-living crud out of us. Higher taxes lead to less economic-stimulation and will ultimately cripple small-businesses that give us the jobs we so very need.

Hopefully this doesn't happen in our or our children's life-times.

Too early in baracks presidency to tell. Bush was terrible though and the chain of bad events for us started during his presidency mainly. Barack is definitely a great speaker but I'm not so sure if he can fix an already extremely messed up system.

It would be nice to know exactly what Obama has done after four/eight years. It's pretty hard to compare when you don't know one of the variables that you're comparing. I don't see historians being overly fond of either one though.

It's a tie until something happens with Heath Care.

Bush:

Major Failures:

Economy

Two Wars

Curbing growing crime

Katrina

9/11

Ect.

Sucesses:

Doged two shoes

Obama:

Yet to be written

Check back in 4 years but I would say he counld't do much worse.

No one has actually stated anything about what Bush did. Let me guess, it has something to do with Katrina and 9/11. How typical and ignorant.

airshocker

Way to early to tell. Obama's only been president for one year. However, I do not think that history will look at George W. Bush very favorably, for a number of reasons, so I think Obama has a decent chance of being regarded as a better president when it is all said and done - especially if he is successful when it comes to health care reform. -Sun_Tzu-

where did you get that avatar? Im a big Mets and Mex fan.

How about getting into a pointless war? How about a shoddy foreign policy that didn't help us accomplish any goals? How about making America a laughingstock in the world?PannicAtack

You can think it's pointless. I think bringing democracy to the middle-east and removing a sadistic dictator was very worth fighting for. Not to mention killing off al-Qaeda by any means necessary.

Elaborate more on this 'shoddy' foreign policy. I didn't know we had any goals.

We're the laughingstock because we're spending trillions of dollars on a health care change that has been proven not to work. No one wanted to mess with us when G-Dubbya was president. Notice how we didn't get attacked again until Obama took office?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Way to early to tell. Obama's only been president for one year. However, I do not think that history will look at George W. Bush very favorably, for a number of reasons, so I think Obama has a decent chance of being regarded as a better president when it is all said and done - especially if he is successful when it comes to health care reform. Idream2010

where did you get that avatar? Im a big Mets and Mex fan.

No one has actually stated anything about what Bush did. Let me guess, it has something to do with Katrina and 9/11. How typical and ignorant.

airshocker

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]How about getting into a pointless war? How about a shoddy foreign policy that didn't help us accomplish any goals? How about making America a laughingstock in the world?airshocker

You can think it's pointless. I think bringing democracy to the middle-east and removing a sadistic dictator was very worth fighting for. Not to mention killing off al-Qaeda by any means necessary.

Elaborate more on this 'shoddy' foreign policy. I didn't know we had any goals.

We're the laughingstock because we're spending trillions of dollars on a health care change that has been proven not to work. No one wanted to mess with us when G-Dubbya was president. Notice how we didn't get attacked again until Obama took office?

Bush will be better. Though he sucks he's not a socialist.

You can think it's pointless. I think bringing democracy to the middle-east and removing a sadistic dictator was very worth fighting for. Not to mention killing off al-Qaeda by any means necessary.airshocker

Bush, Easily. Can't Really Compare Obama to Him yet though, after Obama Finishes his term then I think it would be fair to assess the damage.

What is going to make or break liberal vs conservative presidents is the economy.

When it tanks, which it will, liberalism and fiscal irresponsibility will be destroyed. Now I'm not saying Bush was the most fiscally-responsible leader, but it's pretty clear Obama is running our economy into the ground with legislation he has no means of paying for except by taxing the ever-living crud out of us. Higher taxes lead to less economic-stimulation and will ultimately cripple small-businesses that give us the jobs we so very need.

Hopefully this doesn't happen in our or our children's life-times.

airshocker

Can't say. Though I must say, Obama's gotten more flak thrown at him in one year than Bush had in his entire presidency.PannicAtack

Not as many shoes though.

9/11 wasn't the only attack against America during the Bush administration...-Sun_Tzu-

I don't recall anything that compares to the devastation 9/11 caused.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]9/11 wasn't the only attack against America during the Bush administration...airshocker

I don't recall anything that compares to the devastation 9/11 caused.

Fact: insulting everybody else on a message board will make you seem more intelligent. Do it more. hamstergeddon

Are you going to answer the question or just quote me?

And something happened under the Obama administration that wasn't some idiot from Yemen?PannicAtack

It sure didn't happen under Bush.

Then again, our Director of Homeland Security isn't very bright at all.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]And something happened under the Obama administration that wasn't some idiot from Yemen?airshocker

It sure didn't happen under Bush.

Then again, our Director of Homeland Security isn't very bright at all.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]9/11 wasn't the only attack against America during the Bush administration...airshocker

I don't recall anything that compares to the devastation 9/11 caused.

@links136

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Features/BudgetChartbook/Obama-Budget-Increase-Debt-26-Percent-GDP.aspx

@links136

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Features/BudgetChartbook/Obama-Budget-Increase-Debt-26-Percent-GDP.aspx

airshocker

The success of those attacks is irrelevant to this discussion. You claimed that nobody wanted to mess with us when Bush was president...obviously that is not the case when there were attempted attacks against Americans both domestically and abroad. -Sun_Tzu-

Bad choice of words on my part. No one successfully attacked America under Bush's leadership after 9/11. Not on the scale of of it, at least.

I don't see how appointing a director of Homeland Security, who had no idea that kidnapping by Mexican cartels was so prevalent in Phoenix, AZ, can be a good thing for the defense of this country.

I also don't see how publicizing the methods the CIA uses to torture suspects can be a good thing, but I digress.

In another thread you had the gall to laugh at someone for linking to the Huffington post, and here you're using the Heritage Foundation as a source?PannicAtack

The Huffington Post is not a world-renowned think-tank like The Heritage Foundation.

Just a question.

Idream2010

It doesn't really matter what the people think considering they are both puppets controlled by the rich in Washington...

What is going to make or break liberal vs conservative presidents is the economy.

When it tanks, which it will, liberalism and fiscal irresponsibility will be destroyed. Now I'm not saying Bush was the most fiscally-responsible leader, but it's pretty clear Obama is running our economy into the ground with legislation he has no means of paying for except by taxing the ever-living crud out of us. Higher taxes lead to less economic-stimulation and will ultimately cripple small-businesses that give us the jobs we so very need.

airshocker

The government spending too much does not drive an economy into the ground. After the recession, interest rates will have to go up to combat inflation and, yes, taxes will have to be raised, but the levels they were at pre-Obama were unsustainable in the first place. The government will never be able to consistently post surpluses with taxes as low as they were during the Bush Administration. In general, your post is overly-simplistic and assumes much about when and how Obama will pay off the deficits he is posting.

(as a side-note, it's amazing how the deficit hawks come out of the woodwork during Obama Administration, but never said a peep about the record deficits every president since Reagan (besides Clinton, he got lucky and was president during a big bubble) has been posting).

This is a tough one. Like choosing between regurgitated goat poo or nasty runny burrito diarrhea from a chihuahua. We'll see how he deals with health care and drug law reform before I make a decision. Regardless pretty hard choice.

Just a question.

Idream2010

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]The success of those attacks is irrelevant to this discussion. You claimed that nobody wanted to mess with us when Bush was president...obviously that is not the case when there were attempted attacks against Americans both domestically and abroad. airshocker

Bad choice of words on my part. No one successfully attacked America under Bush's leadership after 9/11. Not on the scale of of it, at least.

I don't see how appointing a director of Homeland Security, who had no idea that kidnapping by Mexican cartels was so prevalent in Phoenix, AZ, can be a good thing for the defense of this country.

I also don't see how publicizing the methods the CIA uses to torture suspects can be a good thing, but I digress.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]How about getting into a pointless war? How about a shoddy foreign policy that didn't help us accomplish any goals? How about making America a laughingstock in the world?airshocker

You can think it's pointless. I think bringing democracy to the middle-east and removing a sadistic dictator was very worth fighting for. Not to mention killing off al-Qaeda by any means necessary.

Elaborate more on this 'shoddy' foreign policy. I didn't know we had any goals.

We're the laughingstock because we're spending trillions of dollars on a health care change that has been proven not to work. No one wanted to mess with us when G-Dubbya was president. Notice how we didn't get attacked again until Obama took office?

It pains me that people think no one attacked america during bush(911, anthrax etc) but the failed(noticed that there was no actual attack) underwear attack from a plane from amsterdam automatically makes obama the antichrist and bush god.

Even worse that someone is extremely happy for an illegal trillion dollar war based on nothing but fixing healthcare for the citizens OH NOEZ TEH HORROR HOW COULD YOU DO SUCH A THING!?!?!?!?!