Who else is appalled by "Creepshots"?

[QUOTE="JML897"] Sometimes they're upskirtsMrGeezer

Pretty much this. I bet the Subreddit mainly came under fire because it had creep in its name.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Whether it's a right or not, doing that is not free from blame.MrGeezer

I'm inclined to agree. When I first heard about this I assumed it was upskirts, invasion of privacy type stuff, which I would have a big problem with, but if they're just taking photos of people walking the streets, then eh w/e. As long as no lines are being crossed, cameras in bathrooms, changing rooms, following the subjects home etc, I don't see anything particularly reprehensible. It may not be ideal, but they're worse things.

[QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's gross. I have a problem with it. mingmao3046

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="t3hrubikscube"]It's gross. I have a problem with it. BranKetra

Privacy? How much privacy can you reasonably claim when you're out in public?

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] why? they are in public. if someone was taking pics of me (be it a girl or a gay guy), i would be flatteredOleg_Huzwog

Privacy? How much privacy can you reasonably claim when you're out in public?

[QUOTE="Gen007"]

If your a female and dress and carry yourself in a respectful way there is no "creepshot" to be had really.

ghoklebutter

I'm generally ambivalent about "creepshots". On one hand, through the course of my photography, I inevitably take pictures of anonymous strangers when I shoot buildings/public spaces. So, in that respect, "creepshots" shouldn't be stigmatized because you are bound to get photographed anonymously in one way or another over the course of your life.

I believe the core of the issue is how the women photographed are represented. Is it okay to objectify anonymous women going about their daily routines? Why have certain segments of society taken voyeurism so far? Is there something about our society that encourages excessive voyeurism, at the cost of causing societal friction?

And I strongly believe that women should be allowed to dress in whatever way they wish.

I'm generally ambivalent about "creepshots". On one hand, through the course of my photography, I inevitably take pictures of anonymous strangers when I shoot buildings/public spaces. So, in that respect, "creepshots" shouldn't be stigmatized because you are bound to get photographed anonymously in one way or another over the course of your life.

I believe the core of the issue is how the women photographed are represented. Is it okay to objectify anonymous women going about their daily routines? Why have certain segments of society taken voyeurism so far? Is there something about our society that encourages excessive voyeurism, at the cost of causing societal friction?

And I strongly believe that women should be allowed to dress in whatever way they wish.

The_Capitalist

[QUOTE="undergroundLPx"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

That's a rather broad statement. What if it's a crowd shot?

Cyanide4Suicid3

Still wrong.

Or google earth street view and 360 pictures....hundreds of thousands of people with their faces all over the net

lol "Predditors" :lol:

lol "Predditors" :lol:

Obviously_Right

I'm telling you, you have to be careful in terms of what you do on the Internet these days.

It's one thing for a photographer trying to capture a cityscape and getting pictures with anonymous people in the pictures, but it is another to just take pics of women and their rear ends just to post on the internet. Most I have seen appear to be taken with camera phones instead of a true camera. The use of said phones just shows the length people are going so as to invade people's privacy, even if in public and yes, there is some expectation of privacy.

It's one thing for a photographer trying to capture a cityscape and getting pictures with anonymous people in the pictures, but it is another to just take pics of women and their rear ends just to post on the internet. Most I have seen appear to be taken with camera phones instead of a true camera. The use of said phones just shows the length people are going so as to invade people's privacy, even if in public and yes, there is some expectation of privacy.

WhiteKnight77

Seems fine to me.

You will not see me taking pics of kids rooting around garbage for something to eat, but then again, that is just me. Are there people who do take such pics? Yes and I think they are off their rocker if they are. Buy the kid something to eat instead of taking it's picture. Have I taken pictures of people in public before? Sure, I have taken cityscape shots while traveling over the years and had people in my pics. That is an unavoidable happenstance as cities or even towns, are populated. I don't take pics of just women bent over or standing at the cashier as she is trying to pay for a purchase much as creepers do.

Creepers are just that no matter how subtle they are trying to be about it. As stated, if you are not willing to attach your name to something, why take such a picture? I have no problem having my name attached to my pics and I have taken thousands over the years.

You will not see me taking pics of kids rooting around garbage for something to eat, but then again, that is just me. Are there people who do take such pics? Yes and I think they are off their rocker if they are. Buy the kid something to eat instead of taking it's picture. Have I taken pictures of people in public before? Sure, I have taken cityscape shots while traveling over the years and had people in my pics. That is an unavoidable happenstance as cities or even towns, are populated. I don't take pics of just women bent over or standing at the cashier as she is trying to pay for a purchase much as creepers do.

Creepers are just that no matter how subtle they are trying to be about it. As stated, if you are not willing to attach your name to something, why take such a picture? I have no problem having my name attached to my pics and I have taken thousands over the years.

WhiteKnight77

I know you weren't talking about me specifically, but I used myself in general. There are many more photographers like me than there are like the guy wanting to keep himself anonymous while still posting the pics or even getting others to post such pics.

Does he deserve protection? No. Too many people believe the internet is an anonymous place where they can get away with saying or doing anything they want. The truth is, nothing on the internet is private. VPNs, proxy servers or other ways of hiding yourself all still leave traces of where everything originated from. Now, those running those services may or may not give up the necessary information, but it can be traced. This guy found out the hard way that he wasn't as anonymous as he thought he was. If he was so worried about his job, he should have thought about posting all his garbage to begin with. Do I think he deserves to be left alone? No, he brought it on himself.

I can agree with artists poking the bee hive. Some artists do have the ability to evoke shock at their work and you are right, it has happened for as long as there has been art. It will go on long after we die and others take our place. You can't poke the bee hive and not expect to get stung.

It's creepy, sure, but I find it weird how people complain about it and want privacy while being out in public.

Can't have the cake and eat it.

I know you weren't talking about me specifically, but I used myself in general. There are many more photographers like me than there are like the guy wanting to keep himself anonymous while still posting the pics or even getting others to post such pics.

Does he deserve protection? No. Too many people believe the internet is an anonymous place where they can get away with saying or doing anything they want. The truth is, nothing on the internet is private. VPNs, proxy servers or other ways of hiding yourself all still leave traces of where everything originated from. Now, those running those services may or may not give up the necessary information, but it can be traced. This guy found out the hard way that he wasn't as anonymous as he thought he was. If he was so worried about his job, he should have thought about posting all his garbage to begin with. Do I think he deserves to be left alone? No, he brought it on himself.

I can agree with artists poking the bee hive. Some artists do have the ability to evoke shock at their work and you are right, it has happened for as long as there has been art. It will go on long after we die and others take our place. You can't poke the bee hive and not expect to get stung.

WhiteKnight77

The only cure is modesty.....just saiyan...

Again, the core of the issue is that some people take voyeurism too far. The Redditor who decided to start outing people who did this because she was annoyed by the outwardly voyeuristic and predatory behavior of these "creepshotters". It's not the pictures that are the problem per se, it is the type of behavior exhibited by "creepshotters" to get these pictures in the first place.

But I digress. As creepy as it seems, I too have stared at a woman's cleavage or bum many times over the course of my lifetime. I have never stalked specific people or taken photographs as souvenirs, but it is natural for men (and women, too) to stare at attractive people for extended amounts of time. It is part of who we are and I don't think it's right to necessarily call people out for it.

At the same time, I hope people who engage in this sort of activity remember that people are watching now. I personally don't see any problem with it, but apparently some radical feminists do.

[QUOTE="undergroundLPx"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

That's a rather broad statement. What if it's a crowd shot?

coolbeans90

Still wrong.

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The only cure is modesty.....just saiyan...

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

The only cure is modesty.....just saiyan...

Lightning_fan

Oh I agree, but there is plenty of blame of fingers to be pointed to everyone.

'Creepshotters' typically go after does looking for a bit of attention.