Who says that the One World Trade Center should have anti-aircraft turrets?

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#51 stevoqwerty
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[QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

Instead of thinking offense, how about coming up with a defensive technology, say enegy shielding?

angry_roman1011

Is it even plausible? Is it something like a force field or something?

Soon we will have these kind of technologies, hell it can even be an EMP gravity zone that stops the plane and let it floating in mid air and gradually guiding it down.

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#52 SPYDER0416
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I don't think so. Terrorists aren't criminal masterminds like everyone portrays them, just jerks with a chip on their shoulder.

Right now airport security is good enough that its not really necessary. Don't expect any shoe bombers, water bottle bombers, or dudes who try and take the plane by force (thanks to air marshalls).

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#53 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I dont think that they will ever be able to hijack another plane like that. If people know they will die, they will probably go down fighting like those passengers did in the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania.

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#54 comp_atkins
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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who cares if we kill hundred of people on the ground with flaming wreckage? we saved 1 wtc!
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#55 markop2003
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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="InEMplease"] Please, let's be realistic here. InEMplease

Right, plane vaporizing laser turrets attatched to this building is being realistic. Silly me.

It has already been proposed (well not laser but particle cannon): http://www.rense.com/general10/deathray.htm

Also shoot down a plane over NYC = a mess of dead people.

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Just put NYC on wheels so you can move it whenever an attacker approaches.
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#56 angry_roman1011
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Don't expect any shoe bombers, water bottle bombers, or dudes who try and take the plane by force...

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Well, what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldinQlUnnGo CANDY NUKE!!!
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#57 ycdeo
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

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That failed horribly on 9/11...

We weren't expecting it (or if you're a conspiracy theorist then we let it happen.) Airport security is completely different now than compared to back then. Not to mention planes didn't have flight marshalls at the time and pilots weren't allowed pistols. The odds of a second terrorist attempt when it comes to crashing planes into building is extremely unlikely.

cool brain work! people want money these days!
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#58 tenaka2
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When people say freedom tower and machine gun nests, why do I think of this?

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#59 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="angry_roman1011"][QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

Instead of thinking offense, how about coming up with a defensive technology, say enegy shielding?

stevoqwerty

Is it even plausible? Is it something like a force field or something?

Soon we will have these kind of technologies, hell it can even be an EMP gravity zone that stops the plane and let it floating in mid air and gradually guiding it down.

Umm... what? :lol:
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#60 stevoqwerty
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[QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

[QUOTE="angry_roman1011"] Is it even plausible? Is it something like a force field or something?parkurtommo

Soon we will have these kind of technologies, hell it can even be an EMP gravity zone that stops the plane and let it floating in mid air and gradually guiding it down.

Umm... what? :lol:

Just a concept.

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#61 Barbariser
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Why the hell would you want to use AA guns? Surface to Air missile defences have a vastly longer range, destructive power and accuracy.

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#62 SilverSignal
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Shooting planes out of the sky above one of the most populated cities in the world. Great idea.
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#63 -Y2J-
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

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If I wanted to hi-jack a plane, I'd become a pilot and fly the plane into the building myself. That work around will take years upon years of planning, but I would do this as a dedicated member of my terrorist organization. I'm sure that no matter the security employs or the will of samaritans, the dedicated will find a way to strike at us again. It only matters to them that we think we're safe again. After all, that's how the succeeded back on 9/11.

expect a knock on your door anytime soon
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#64 lloveLamp
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NORAD is supposed to be able to intercept airplanes withine minutes of being discovered. so we dont really need that
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#65 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

[QUOTE="angry_roman1011"][QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

Instead of thinking offense, how about coming up with a defensive technology, say enegy shielding?

Is it even plausible? Is it something like a force field or something?

Soon we will have these kind of technologies, hell it can even be an EMP gravity zone that stops the plane and let it floating in mid air and gradually guiding it down.

No... that's not only nowhere close to being a real technology, but an "EMP gravity zone" is actually a meaningless statement. I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's leading you horribly astray. @CreasianDevaili: Yeah, why crash planes if your targets have been kind enough to install military hardware in a soft target? Well said man.
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#66 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="stevoqwerty"]

Soon we will have these kind of technologies, hell it can even be an EMP gravity zone that stops the plane and let it floating in mid air and gradually guiding it down.

Umm... what? :lol:

Just a concept.

No, you said, Electro-Mangnetic Pulse Gravity Zone. The EM force doesn't have ANY effect on gravity, so right there you have some issues. The only known and even theoretical means of manipulating gravity is the use of mass. As for some kind of electrostatic "hand" that would grab a plane in flight, that's not even on a drawing board, and the energy involved would fry the plane like a mosquito in a bug zapper. Just using some kind of directed EMP would kill the electronics in many airplanes, but it would continue on its (now ballistic) trajectory toward the buildings. As with the turrets, unless you did serious damage to the flight surfaces which causes a change in the fundamental aerodynamics, once again you've just created a damaged plane, STILL hurtling toward your building. The effective range of AA is great when we're talking about altitude, but it sucks when we're talking about a low-flying craft.
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#67 Jackc8
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I don't think it should have turrets - you'd just pay people to man and maintain the system for decades and the rules regarding when and if they could ever be used would probably be so restrictive that they would be useless in the event of an actual attack anyway.

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#68 Netherscourge
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I have a better idea...

Government Mandate: All large planes and passenger planes MUST have a Remote Piloting system installed, in which a Tower can take 100% piloting control over an airplane remotely and land it safely at their discretion.

So, if a plane gets hijacked, the Tower can lock out the planes controls and remotely land the plane safely where the authorities can take over.

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#69 noxboxlive
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Would playing counter strike help?

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#70 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

I have a better idea...

Government Mandate: All large planes and passenger planes MUST have a Remote Piloting system installed, in which a Tower can take 100% piloting control over an airplane remotely and land it safely at their discretion.

So, if a plane gets hijacked, the Tower can lock out the planes controls and remotely land the plane safely where the authorities can take over.

Ooooohhh... that sounds like offering an unfriendly power the means to mass-hack and crash our entire aircraft fleets! Sharp. @noxboxlive: It would be more helpful than any suggestion made in this thread, and FAR less harmful than most. :D
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#71 deactivated-5e7f8a21de9dd
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All the more reason for me to take the subway OH WAIT thats evel less safe. ._.

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#72 Big_Pecks
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What if the terrorists hijacked the turrets, THEN shot down airplanes?

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#73 Frame_Dragger
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What if the terrorists hijacked the turrets, THEN shot down airplanes?

Big_Pecks
Forget airplanes, turn them on other buildings and the ground. Using Anti-Armor or flak rounds as AP rounds is fairly devestating. Still, the first time an automated system messes up and shoots down a friendly plane, that would ALSO kill the notion.
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#74 Sunfyre7896
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Every skyscraper should have an anti-aircraft turret and some key scrapers should have some kind of anti-missile system to shoot down missiles and bombs incoming. Solves most of that problem.

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#75 T_REX305
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To shoot down a airplane with AA guns you would need someone to do the job. I wouldn't put the fate of the new World Trade Center in the hands of a person that works in a office.

I would also like to note that senteries like the ones in tf2 should be installed.

And if all of this goes wrong everyone should have parachutes.

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#76 Frame_Dragger
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Every skyscraper should have an anti-aircraft turret and some key scrapers should have some kind of anti-missile system to shoot down missiles and bombs incoming. Solves most of that problem.

Sunfyre7896
During wartime, when the thread of a bombing raid in possible that WOULD be viable... although different locations would be used. The thing is, flaming wreckage or a ballistic airplane isn't a huge improvement over one just crashing. If you're facing bombers though, then while wreckage is an issue, it's not as bad as a bombing run. Besides, you'd need to keep track of all that ordinance... the last thing on earth you want is someone knocking off wide-spread shipements of AA guns and Patriot Msissile batteries!!! Then you have the issue of hacking, who is operating these weapons, and if it's automated... you're asking for trouble.
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#77 Sunfyre7896
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big cannon

I like the guy in the cape covering his ears. What? Is he about to chase the bullet?

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#78 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="T_REX305"]

To shoot down a airplane with AA guns you would need someone to do the job. I wouldn't put the fate of the new World Trade Center in the hands of a person that works in a office.

I would also like to note that senteries like the ones in tf2 should be installed.

And if all of this goes wrong everyone should have parachutes.

Hehe... you know what happens if you try to jump out of a jumbo jet hurtling towards the ground? It probably doesn't end well... I'd add, if you have military personnal stationed at the AA armaments, that violates the US constitution. If you have civilians doing it.... as you say... gah. If it's automated or remotely operatated, then you have the risk of malfuntion, improper FoF identification, or hacking.
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#79 Frame_Dragger
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big cannon

I like the guy in the cape covering his ears. What? Is he about to chase the bullet?

Sunfyre7896

... Hellsing?

edit: What a terrible Alucard cotume!!! Nice Victoria though... rawr.

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#80 Juggernaut140
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What if we took the World Trade Center, and PUSHED IT somewhere else?
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#81 Frame_Dragger
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What if we took the World Trade Center, and PUSHED IT somewhere else? Juggernaut140
Finally, someone talking SENSE. ;)
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#82 T_REX305
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[QUOTE="T_REX305"]

To shoot down a airplane with AA guns you would need someone to do the job. I wouldn't put the fate of the new World Trade Center in the hands of a person that works in a office.

I would also like to note that senteries like the ones in tf2 should be installed.

And if all of this goes wrong everyone should have parachutes.

Frame_Dragger

Hehe... you know what happens if you try to jump out of a jumbo jet hurtling towards the ground? It probably doesn't end well... I'd add, if you have military personnal stationed at the AA armaments, that violates the US constitution. If you have civilians doing it.... as you say... gah. If it's automated or remotely operatated, then you have the risk of malfuntion, improper FoF identification, or hacking.

I ment parachutes for the people in the building. It may not be great but its better then going without one.

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#83 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="T_REX305"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="T_REX305"]

To shoot down a airplane with AA guns you would need someone to do the job. I wouldn't put the fate of the new World Trade Center in the hands of a person that works in a office.

I would also like to note that senteries like the ones in tf2 should be installed.

And if all of this goes wrong everyone should have parachutes.

Hehe... you know what happens if you try to jump out of a jumbo jet hurtling towards the ground? It probably doesn't end well... I'd add, if you have military personnal stationed at the AA armaments, that violates the US constitution. If you have civilians doing it.... as you say... gah. If it's automated or remotely operatated, then you have the risk of malfuntion, improper FoF identification, or hacking.

I ment for the parachutes for the people in the building. It may not be great but its better then going without one.

Ahhh, that does make more sense. Didn't someone make a line of those for just that purpose shortly after 9/11? As you say, not great, but beats burning, suffocating, or jumping without hope.
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#84 hensothor
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We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

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Um... Yes. But if something were to happen, A. Shoot it down B. Let it hit. It's a pretty easy choice considering one saves lives, and one just lets more people die.
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[QUOTE="thriteenthmonke"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

InEMplease

Solution: Laser turrets capable of vaporizing an entire plane.

What about gravity rays that will bring it gently to the ground?

we just need a big zero-point energy field manipulator!

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#86 OrkHammer007
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No, because it would block the absolutely amazing view of the ground. Instead, a variable camoflage field should be installed, and turned on/off at random to confound terrorists trying to plot the skyline (and amuse stoners).

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#87 ferrari2001
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As long as it launches photon torpedoes and is powered by a matter/anti-matter generator.
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Predicting a 1219% increase in the usage of the phrase "Is this actually happening?" on 10/25/11 and a 1156% increase of "Holy **** call an ambulance." on 11/11/11. iblowuup
Wait, wtf?
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#89 Diablo-B
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You'll do know that fighter jets, and naval ships can just as easily shoot down a plane, you dont need to build war defense onto the world trade
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#90 taterfrickintot
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i say giant flyswatters.

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#91 kerrman
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You guys should totally just built a Death Star instead.

I hear your country can totally afford these kind of expenses.

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#92 Moriarity_
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Maybe they should just turn the surrounding area into a sprawling AA defence grid like the Death Star

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What if the planes are too small for the lasers?

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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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It's better that it hit another building rather than the one you are in.
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#94 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="F22_King_Raptor"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

It's better that it hit another building rather than the one you are in.

Actually, AA guns are designed to destroy aircraft at altitude, or coming in for a bombing run. If a plane establishes a solid trajectory toward you, unless you get EXTREMELY lucky and destroy many control surfaces, you just change a guided missile into a bullet. Congrats! You're still dead. Beyond that, what do you think happens to flak and spent rounds that miss at low atltude?!...AA guns don't have immense range you know... so you'd need SAM's. They however, would need to identify the plane as being hostile quite a while before it turns into a definitely terminal descent toward you. Error that leads to shooting down an innocent craft is not an acceptable margin of error.
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#95 Oleg_Huzwog
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Or you could just lock the doors to the flight deck.

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#96 00-Riddick-00
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"One world" trade center? Nice. :roll:
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#97 Frame_Dragger
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Or you could just lock the doors to the flight deck.

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Pffft.... when we could be raining flak and spent shells on Manhatten?! You make too much sense, go away!!! ;) 00-Riddick-00: Your sig is the answer.... we just stick Keanu Reaves on the top of the building and he alters the Matrix as needed.
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#98 Loegi
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Guys, I have an idea. What if we gave the building arms?

It could grab the plane out of the sky, or pound the terrorists to a pulp.
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#99 Necrifer
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Pffft.... when we could be raining flak and spent shells on Manhatten?! You make too much sense, go away!!! ;)

00-Riddick-00: Your sig is the answer.... we just stick Keanu Reaves on the top of the building and he alters the Matrix as needed.

Frame_Dragger

That makes the assumption that we live in the Matrix.

I don't want to live in the Matrix! :cry:

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#100 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Loegi"]Guys, I have an idea. What if we gave the building arms?

It could grab the plane out of the sky, or pound the terrorists to a pulp.

Hmmm, Mecha-Trade-Center... I like it.