Who will be on the Republican Presidential ticket for 2012?

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#101 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"] perry sounds good too.

ristactionjakso

what specific policies of his are you in favor of?
what about his track record makes you say that he would make a good president/is qualified?

www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

there is a website about perry's beliefs. Although I will say I don't agree with everything on the website, but I do agree with him a lot more than I do Obama.

You gave me a website and said you don't agree with all of it :?
...I am WELL versed on his stance/beliefs.

I asked what policies YOU agree with/think will work and what about his track record makes YOU think he will be a good president.
In other words, I wanted you to (in your own words) say what you agree with about his platform and why you think he make a good president

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#102 -Sun_Tzu-
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If I had to guess right now, I'd say Rick Perry is going to be the nominee. No clue as to who is VP would be.
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#103 ristactionjakso
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[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] what specific policies of his are you in favor of?
what about his track record makes you say that he would make a good president/is qualified?

rawsavon

www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

there is a website about perry's beliefs. Although I will say I don't agree with everything on the website, but I do agree with him a lot more than I do Obama.

You gave me a website and said you don't agree with all of it :?
...I am WELL versed on his stance/beliefs.

I asked what policies YOU agree with/think will work and what about his track record makes YOU think he will be a good president.
In other words, I wanted you to (in your own words) say what you agree with about his platform and why you think he make a good president

goog grief. i never said i don't agree with all of it. i said "i dont agree with everything on the website". in other words I agree with most things on it, not all. but if you went to that website you can see what his stand point is, im not going to speal out everything about perry because sorta busy at the moment. just on here between short breaks of doing a ton of yard work.

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#104 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

there is a website about perry's beliefs. Although I will say I don't agree with everything on the website, but I do agree with him a lot more than I do Obama.

ristactionjakso

You gave me a website and said you don't agree with all of it :?
...I am WELL versed on his stance/beliefs.

I asked what policies YOU agree with/think will work and what about his track record makes YOU think he will be a good president.
In other words, I wanted you to (in your own words) say what you agree with about his platform and why you think he make a good president

goog grief. i never said i don't agree with all of it. i said "i dont agree with everything on the website". in other words I agree with most things on it, not all. but if you went to that website you can see what his stand point is, im not going to speal out everything about perry because sorta busy at the moment. just on here between short breaks of doing a ton of yard work.

...hmmm...

anyways, your 'answer' is actually a better answer than anything you could have spelled out.

thanks :)

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#105 Frame_Dragger
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If I had to guess right now, I'd say Rick Perry is going to be the nominee. No clue as to who is VP would be. -Sun_Tzu-
Rick Perry... smarter than Bush (W), a little less crazy, and therefore far more dangerous. His movements are interesting though... he's either very fidgety, or he's dealing with some kind of neurological issue (Parkinson's) or tardive dyskensia. I wouldn't bet money on it mind you, but there is something odd there. Once upon a time I would have expected better judgment from the electorate than going for someone so like W. after 8 disastrous years. I have since been educated as to the depths of... whatever the hell got Nixon, Reagan, and W. second terms... that I wouldn't be shocked.
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#106 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]www.ontheissues.org/rick_perry.htm

there is a website about perry's beliefs. Although I will say I don't agree with everything on the website, but I do agree with him a lot more than I do Obama.

ristactionjakso

You gave me a website and said you don't agree with all of it :?
...I am WELL versed on his stance/beliefs.

I asked what policies YOU agree with/think will work and what about his track record makes YOU think he will be a good president.
In other words, I wanted you to (in your own words) say what you agree with about his platform and why you think he make a good president

goog grief. i never said i don't agree with all of it. i said "i dont agree with everything on the website". in other words I agree with most things on it, not all. but if you went to that website you can see what his stand point is, im not going to speal out everything about perry because sorta busy at the moment. just on here between short breaks of doing a ton of yard work.

His point is that you pointed to a site, pointed out you don't entirely agree with it, and that's it. That means that by reading the site, it's impossible to determine what you do and do not agree with. Without more information it's as good as no answer at all. You could hand someone a bag of mixed jelly beans, and when they ask you which you like, you respond, "some, but not all of them."

So...Don't spell it all out, but how about five or six brief points where you DO agree?

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[QUOTE="captainexploder"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

How can I when he literally wants to take apart the FOUNDATIONS of the modern United States.. The only point reference we can look at before this are times like the early 1900s and late 1800s.. Those were not good times.. For the average citizen compared to today.. His standing is quite honestly as bad as the people who preach socialism... They are two sides of the same coin of extremes.

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The modern United States is not in very good shape. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a lot of things we are doing right now and start over. Will it be hard? Sure. But in the end its going to cost us a lot more to keep going down the road we're going.

The US is what it is today based on the foundations.. Including it becoming a super power.. People seem to want to blame everything negative upon the government, while at the same time disregard the government of having anything to do with the US's rise to economic power..

rise to economic power? we are among the most in debt nation in the world. we simply cannot continue spending at the current rate. i am not sure how anyone thinks we can keep most programs afloat
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#108 Sunfyre7896
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Who I think will win: Romney

Who I want to win: Paul

Who I fear to win: Perry (I may just move)

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#109 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Sunfyre7896"]

Who I think will win: Romney

Who I want to win: Paul

Who I fear to win: Perry (I may just move)

I disagree on the 'Paul' thing, but I feel you on moving if Perry actually gets elected. I'm not ready for more 'Dubya' after eight years of it. If a swaggering religious zealot is really what this country wants, well... there are other countries. Paul is scary (sorry, that fence rant was... interesting), but since he'd be stonewalled by both parties into immobility, at least he poses no threat. That, and if his more extreme end can be tamped, he at least believes in personal freedom, and science.
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#110 Easports48
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Lets see. Flip-flopper Mit Romney Air-head Michelle Bachmann Overrated Ron Paul Some no-name
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#111 DarkOfKnight
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The more I hear about them the more scared it get. Not only do some want to get rid of social security but want the min wage gone to.
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#112 coltgames
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even tho i dont like republicans if i was to ever vote for one it would be ron paul hes seems different then the rest of his party but he could be foolin me
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#113 DarkOfKnight
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even tho i dont like republicans if i was to ever vote for one it would be ron paul hes seems different then the rest of his party but he could be foolin mecoltgames
He shares the same view on min wage as bachmann. Believe me, they are all the same person.
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[QUOTE="coltgames"]even tho i dont like republicans if i was to ever vote for one it would be ron paul hes seems different then the rest of his party but he could be foolin meDarkOfKnight
He shares the same view on min wage as bachmann. Believe me, they are all the same person.

haha, no. Ron paul has by far the best record of anyone there. it shows in the consistency of his votes in his 40 year career. he has never voted to raise taxes, for example. ron paul is by far the most stand out politician, among a sea of puppets
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#115 EsYuGee
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Who I think will win: Romney

Who I want to win: Paul

Who I fear to win: Perry (I may just move)

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Totally agree with this. Ron Paul is the most common sense guy on any side today. If Perry wins though, I won't move. I'd definitely stick around and be part of the resistance.8)

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#116 DroidPhysX
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Ron Paul......

hell no.

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#117 LeadnSteel
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Anyone else would be better than Obummer. I'm tired of hearing all his speeches and no action. I'm not even American and would dread another 4 years of this failure.

I would love for Ron Paul to win, most people think he's crazy but he is the most intelligent and honest politician today. Less government = more prosperity.

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Anyone else would be better than Obummer. I'm tired of hearing all his speeches and no action. I'm not even American and would dread another 4 years of this failure.

I would love for Ron Paul to win, most people think he's crazy but he is the most intelligent and honest politician today. Less government = more prosperity.

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Ron Paul.....smaller government ironically equals to less social liberties.
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#119 -Sun_Tzu-
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Anyone else would be better than Obummer. I'm tired of hearing all his speeches and no action. I'm not even American and would dread another 4 years of this failure.

I would love for Ron Paul to win, most people think he's crazy but he is the most intelligent and honest politician today. Less government = more prosperity.

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Ron Paul's not for less government. He's for less federal government. But he believes that state government's have virtually unlimited governing authority. That's a far cry from libertarianism.
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Anyone else would be better than Obummer. I'm tired of hearing all his speeches and no action. I'm not even American and would dread another 4 years of this failure.

I would love for Ron Paul to win, most people think he's crazy but he is the most intelligent and honest politician today. Less government = more prosperity.

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Obama actually did quite a bit before the republican majority congress was voted in. Ever since nothing really has been done. Ron Paul may be honest (I don't really know about intelligent) but his ideas would be bad for the US and whats bad for them is bad for the rest of the world.
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Lets see. Flip-flopper Mit Romney Air-head Michelle Bachmann Overrated Ron Paul Some no-nameEasports48

How is Ron Paul overrated when news stations don't even cover him?He actually makesalotof sense on middle east wars, and theteabaggersbooed oh what a surprise. Then they cheer when we get the spoon fed response that we got the day after 9/11/2001 "They hate us for our freedom", no they hate us because we are occupying their country and killing thousands of innocent people.

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[QUOTE="Easports48"]Lets see. Flip-flopper Mit Romney Air-head Michelle Bachmann Overrated Ron Paul Some no-nameMeat_Wad_Fan

How is Ron Paul overrated when news stations don't even cover him?He actually makesalotof sense on middle east wars, and theteabaggersbooed oh what a surprise. Then they cheer when we get the spoon fed response that we got the day after 9/11/2001 "They hate us for our freedom", no they hate us because we are occupying their country and killing thousands of innocent people.

I prefer to keep my Miranda rights so no, Ron Paul doesn't make sense.
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#123 Meat_Wad_Fan
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[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

[QUOTE="Easports48"]Lets see. Flip-flopper Mit Romney Air-head Michelle Bachmann Overrated Ron Paul Some no-nameDroidPhysX

How is Ron Paul overrated when news stations don't even cover him?He actually makesalotof sense on middle east wars, and theteabaggersbooed oh what a surprise. Then they cheer when we get the spoon fed response that we got the day after 9/11/2001 "They hate us for our freedom", no they hate us because we are occupying their country and killing thousands of innocent people.

I prefer to keep my Miranda rights so no, Ron Paul doesn't make sense.

I disagree with alot of his opinions especially on total deregulation, and wouldn't give him my vote nor any of the republicans on the stand tonight... well maybe Mitt Romney. I was merely pointing out it's a joke to call him overrated when he is ignored by all the media. He does have some really great ideas, just a little to out there on some issues. His thoughts on our reckless spending and our military occupying countries being the real problem is dead on though.

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[QUOTE="Easports48"]Lets see. Flip-flopper Mit Romney Air-head Michelle Bachmann Overrated Ron Paul Some no-nameMeat_Wad_Fan

How is Ron Paul overrated when news stations don't even cover him?He actually makesalotof sense on middle east wars, and theteabaggersbooed oh what a surprise. Then they cheer when we get the spoon fed response that we got the day after 9/11/2001 "They hate us for our freedom", no they hate us because we are occupying their country and killing thousands of innocent people.

There's a lot more to the motivation behind the 9/11 attacks than just us having troops in Muslim countries and harming innocent lives. Al Qaeda doesn't care at all about innocent life. They don't care about the lives of westerners, or of Jews, or of fellow muslims who aren't the right type of muslim. And Al Qaeda does, in part, hate us because of the freedoms we protect. In the eyes of people like Osama Bin Laden, western society - with its tolerance of things like homosexuality and women suffrage - is an outrage of biblical proportions.

The ultimate reason why Al Qaeda attacked us was because we are a moral abomination who are in the way of their future caliphate. That's not to say the US has done no wrong in the Middle East, but our foreign policy in the region does not explain away why 9/11 happened. It helps to provide some context, but it can't help us understand why Al Qaeda attacked us.

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#125 Frame_Dragger
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There's no one who was just on that sage (CNN debate), who I would want to see with even the power they already have. They seem to range from ideologically driven, to, "just pwain cwazy!" :shock:

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There's no one who was just on that sage (CNN debate), who I would want to see with even the power they already have. They seem to range from ideologically driven, to, "just pwain cwazy!" :shock:

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It saddens me that I would have extreme difficulty in choosing where on the line between those two points I would place them.
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#127 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

There's no one who was just on that sage (CNN debate), who I would want to see with even the power they already have. They seem to range from ideologically driven, to, "just pwain cwazy!" :shock:

It saddens me that I would have extreme difficulty in choosing where on the line between those two points I would place them.

I hear that... it's really hard to tell who's pandering and who is having a psychotic break on stage.
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Palin cracks me up. "are you worried about the polls?" ..."Poles are for strippers and extreme skiers!"
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#129 jerlee89
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Who I want: Paul(president)/Cain(VP) or Cain(president)/Huntman(VP)

Who will most likely get on the ticket: Perry/Bachman or Romney(pres)/Bachman(vp)

If Perry gets on the ticket I'm not voting republican. Had enough of his crap as governor, and I don't trust him.

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#130 QiiXii
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I'd like to have Chris Christie run and win (2016 hopefully), but at this point, Huntsman seems okay. Romney is too fake and shallow for me. Perry's too ideological, same for most of the other candidates. I'm inclined to follow the general consensus and assume, at this point, it's Perry vs. Romney. I believe the final ticket will probably be Romney/(insert tea party here).
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I'm hoping for Romney at the moment, can't stand many of the others.
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#132 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="jerlee89"]

Who I want: Paul(president)/Cain(VP) or Cain(president)/Huntman(VP)

Who will most likely get on the ticket: Perry/Bachman or Romney(pres)/Bachman(vp)

If Perry gets on the ticket I'm not voting republican. Had enough of his crap as governor, and I don't trust him.

If Perry gets in, Bachman vanishes... if Romney gets it, no way is he going anywhere near Bachman either. She's DOA anyhow, but entertaining in her quietly mad way. Huntsman is the only one who doesn't seem out of touch with reality in some critical way, but he also doesn't seem electable... probably because he's not out of touch with reality. :roll: Given the republican tickets possible, Obama had freaking BETTER win.
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What sucks is it wouldn't be down to just Perry vs Romney if the news stations weren't perpetuating that lie. I mean, the day after Perry announces his candidacy all the stations are declaring him the frontrunner. I think you have to do a little more than say you're going to run to be in first place. I don't know if they just don't want a Republican candidate with the chance to beat Obama or if its because he's insane and it makes a good story.

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#135 Blue_Shield
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I do not know, but Romney seems, for the lack of a better way of putting it, the least insane of the bunch.

However, it will probably be Perry, because, after all, what we need is another good ol' boy from Texas.

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I'd be happy if it were Huntsman, Paul, or Gingritch. Romney would be better than Perry, and I think he stands a good chance of winning. Perry is obviously just coached from the sidelines by someone with the same interests as those who backed Bush, though Bush was at least a bit more on topic during his debates than Perry.
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#137 DarkOfKnight
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="jerlee89"]

Who I want: Paul(president)/Cain(VP) or Cain(president)/Huntman(VP)

Who will most likely get on the ticket: Perry/Bachman or Romney(pres)/Bachman(vp)

If Perry gets on the ticket I'm not voting republican. Had enough of his crap as governor, and I don't trust him.

If Perry gets in, Bachman vanishes... if Romney gets it, no way is he going anywhere near Bachman either. She's DOA anyhow, but entertaining in her quietly mad way. Huntsman is the only one who doesn't seem out of touch with reality in some critical way, but he also doesn't seem electable... probably because he's not out of touch with reality. :roll: Given the republican tickets possible, Obama had freaking BETTER win.

He will win, the current Republican nominees are too far right to get elected. They only appeal to the tea party which is the minority. Obama shouldn't have too much trouble winning, most of all after what the republicans did last month with the whole debt limit thing.
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#138 lloveLamp
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its gonna be rick perry
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#139 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="jerlee89"]

Who I want: Paul(president)/Cain(VP) or Cain(president)/Huntman(VP)

Who will most likely get on the ticket: Perry/Bachman or Romney(pres)/Bachman(vp)

If Perry gets on the ticket I'm not voting republican. Had enough of his crap as governor, and I don't trust him.

If Perry gets in, Bachman vanishes... if Romney gets it, no way is he going anywhere near Bachman either. She's DOA anyhow, but entertaining in her quietly mad way. Huntsman is the only one who doesn't seem out of touch with reality in some critical way, but he also doesn't seem electable... probably because he's not out of touch with reality. :roll: Given the republican tickets possible, Obama had freaking BETTER win.

He will win, the current Republican nominees are too far right to get elected. They only appeal to the tea party which is the minority. Obama shouldn't have too much trouble winning, most of all after what the republicans did last month with the whole debt limit thing.

Oh man, I hope you're right, but I take nothing like that on faith anymore.
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#140 Scoob64
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Ron Paul gets my vote

anyone else will just continue things on EXACTLY the way they are now... except Perry- he could mess up this country worse than Bush...

who was it that said if Bush and Perry were in the same family, Bush would be the smart one?

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#141 mingmao3046
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Ron Paul gets my vote

anyone else will just continue things on EXACTLY the way they are now... except Perry- he could mess up this country worse than Bush...

who was it that said if Bush and Perry were in the same family, Bush would be the smart one?

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exactly....unless ron paul gets voted...its going to be more of the same.
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#142 DroidPhysX
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Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erode individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

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#143 theone86
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Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erote individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

DroidPhysX

Ron Paul supporters rule the internet.

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#144 Scoob64
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erote individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

theone86

Ron Paul supporters rule the internet.

that whole personal freedom thing is so popular for some reason... and even throughout history people seemed to like it. i'll never understand it... :P

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#145 theone86
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erote individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

Scoob64

Ron Paul supporters rule the internet.

that whole personal freedom thing is so popular for some reason... and even throughout history people seemed to like it. i'll never understand it... :P

It's only personal freedom if you view government control as the only factor affecting personal freedom. Getting rid of the many thing Ron Paul proposes would adversely affect many Americans in many different ways. Want toxic waste disposed of in your town? Want companies to shirk safety standards because there aren't regulations enforcing them anymore? Want companies polluting even more? Then vote for Ron Paul! But if you actually care about personal liberties as a whole and not just in regards to whether or not the government has any role, then vote for someone who's not bat**** crazy.

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#146 mingmao3046
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Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erode individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

DroidPhysX
not sure if serious? ron paul is the champion of personal liberty and individual rights
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#147 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erote individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

theone86

Ron Paul supporters rule the internet.

I have this crazy feeling that almost all of them don't know what he actually stands for. If they do though then I'm left assuming they must be naively idealistic.
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#148 theone86
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not sure if serious? ron paul is the champion of personal liberty and individual rightsmingmao3046

And I'm the queen of England.

I have this crazy feeling that almost all of them don't know what he actually stands for. If they do though then I'm left assuming they must be naively idealistic.Ace6301

Probably a combination of the two, mixed in with a gigantic misunderstanding of the implications of his policies and a propensity for clinging to so-called common sense arguments.

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#149 Pikdum
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Holy hell, I did not know OT had many Ron Paul supporters. Though I do question the motive when Pauls intended policies and views would erote individual rights and empower state governments even further at the cost of the people.

theone86

Ron Paul supporters rule the internet.

From my observation, most people on the internet that use the forums like these are fairly open minded. And then you have everyone else that gets their information from TV. And news on TV makes Ron Paul look bad. Most Ron Paul supporters know what they want like like me.

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#150 Frame_Dragger
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Libertarians = Young

Self-styled Libertarians who just want the freedom to impinge on the freedom of others = Older

Young people are well represented online, so... yeah, love for Ron Paul.