[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="MagicMan4597"]I did not support a free market system. You apparently dont know the difference between socialism and capitalism. Norway is much more socialized than the USA. They have a better standard of living. As it turns out, you arent right. Norway has an incredibly different make up than the US as well. They don't have the complex social issues that the US does. And while they do have some robust social programs, they still have a capitalistic society as well. Norway is in no way shape or form a free market system. Capitalism has become a very ambiguous term. It seems that people will call any kind of pseudo market with quasi ownership "capitalism", assuming they like that country. what complex social issues? They have the same issues we have. They have abortion there, they have economic debate etc. The problem with america is not "complexity" its that were incredibly simplistic and were surrounded my emotionalism. Theres no real debates on the main stages of this country. It transfers to a lot of the population as well.It appears Atheists_Pwn has indeed indirectly supported a free market system. What he/she thinks as socialism is only theory, that when played out in practice, is a flat out bad system.
sonicare
Who will go down as the worst President ever..
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[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] HAHA... my dad got off lucky? So I guess hard work = lucky? what obstacles are u talking about?.. because the excuses you make for people are ridiculous. So just because a person doesn't want to work a job then he/she shouldn't have to? I HATE working my job but I need the money and I dont want to leech off of others.. is that "wage slavery"?imaps3fanboy
Yes your dad got lucky, because the work he did actually paid off. Your dad would probably not fare well if he were born into a different, much more difficult situation. Such as living in a legitimate ghetto where there are no jobs, poor education etc.
People should choose to work. You proved that capitalism is a form of control. You dont choose to work, you have to. If you dont you starve. Unless you have emotional sickness and are suicidal nobody will choose to live without money (if you think homeless people do it im going to laugh so hard at you. just a fair warning)
The point is. Most people naturally like to work. BUT people naturally hate being demoralized. People naturally hate feeling like they dont matter. Many people naturally feel that they need to take the lead, but they cant. The system wont allow it. I cant become the boss of my company that I work at. Why? Because I wasnt hired to be. Even though im better with computers than my manager is, I have to go through the system that may or may not allow me to be the manager(which means waiting until hes no longer here). With a free system I can simply take charge of the situation by showing natural leadership qualities. Many people are also in jobs they dont like, because they need the money. People get frustrated and give up because this system is inefficient and damaging to humanity, and the environment as a whole.
Poverty leads to crime in most situations. Not rags to riches stories. Which is why you hear about crime more. Ill leave you with this question, the only thing i really care that you address: If all it takes is hard work? Why arent you a billionaire? Why isnt your dad? Im sure you could get help from your family to become a billionaire if they felt that they could become richer in the process. all it takes is hard work! Well?
Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol... cant believe the argument you are proposing. And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably. The only way to be a billionaire is start your own business or inherit the money. Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me? There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to..Thats not at all true. Now you have to prove that people wont work on things. Now you have to prove that people
a) dont have hobbies
b) dont work on things if they need to. If you need to clean your house, you simply do it. If you need food, you go get it, or make it. You need a serious lesson on what non sequiturs are. You
infact can study logic. I suggest you do it and analyze your poor argument structures.
'And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably."
You said that hard work will take you out of poverty. It makes logical sense to assume harder work will lead to richness.
Why dont you start a business? You do WANT to be a billionaire right?
"Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me?"
This isnt an argument. This is an appeal to emotion. This is a logical fallacy.
"There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to.."
You admitted capitalism is not free at all, but a system of control.
I like working on things. I have very productive skills. I know many who do.
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]I guess televisions and cars > great education for all, and all the resources you need to be productive. This is obvious sarcasm. Though Norway is not a "true" socialist country, you realize they have a better standard of living than we do right? They are not capitalist. Sweden is the same way. you we have libraries in american with FREE knowledge that tax payers pay for.. correct? We do. Many people are not able to teach themselves through books though. Which is why we have classes in the first place. Different people learn in different ways. Everyones different. Many people simply dont have the time. My manager works double shifts (14 hours) several times a week. Is he supposed to goto the library and read all sorts of books? When does he spend time with his family?[QUOTE="SeanDog123"] Again, this is only political theory, it doesn't actually work that way. Look how well off the poor are in this country, our lower class have cars and televisions.imaps3fanboy
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol... cant believe the argument you are proposing. And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably. The only way to be a billionaire is start your own business or inherit the money. Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me? There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to.. Thats not at all true. Now you have to prove that people wont work on things. Now you have to prove that people a) dont have hobbies b) dont work on things if they need to. If you need to clean your house, you simply do it. If you need food, you go get it, or make it. You need a serious lesson on what non sequiturs are. You infact can study logic. I suggest you do it and analyze your poor argument structures. 'And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably." You said that hard work will take you out of poverty. It makes logical sense to assume harder work will lead to richness. Why dont you start a business? You do WANT to be a billionaire right? "Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me?" This isnt an argument. This is an appeal to emotion. This is a logical fallacy. "There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to.." You admitted capitalism is not free at all, but a system of control. I like working on things. I have very productive skills. I know many who do.Yes your dad got lucky, because the work he did actually paid off. Your dad would probably not fare well if he were born into a different, much more difficult situation. Such as living in a legitimate ghetto where there are no jobs, poor education etc.
People should choose to work. You proved that capitalism is a form of control. You dont choose to work, you have to. If you dont you starve. Unless you have emotional sickness and are suicidal nobody will choose to live without money (if you think homeless people do it im going to laugh so hard at you. just a fair warning)
The point is. Most people naturally like to work. BUT people naturally hate being demoralized. People naturally hate feeling like they dont matter. Many people naturally feel that they need to take the lead, but they cant. The system wont allow it. I cant become the boss of my company that I work at. Why? Because I wasnt hired to be. Even though im better with computers than my manager is, I have to go through the system that may or may not allow me to be the manager(which means waiting until hes no longer here). With a free system I can simply take charge of the situation by showing natural leadership qualities. Many people are also in jobs they dont like, because they need the money. People get frustrated and give up because this system is inefficient and damaging to humanity, and the environment as a whole.
Poverty leads to crime in most situations. Not rags to riches stories. Which is why you hear about crime more. Ill leave you with this question, the only thing i really care that you address: If all it takes is hard work? Why arent you a billionaire? Why isnt your dad? Im sure you could get help from your family to become a billionaire if they felt that they could become richer in the process. all it takes is hard work! Well?
Atheists_Pwn
1- Your first argument made literally no sense, and I suggest YOU work on your "argument structures" and stop being a pseudo - intellectual because you are making no sense at all
2- I dont want to start a business because I don't want the responsibility nor am I that good of a leader.
3- Logical Fallacy? Again you're being a pseudo - intellectual. I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable.
4- Capitalism is not a system of control, it just makes you work hard for things instead of having them handed to you because " you dont like to work"
5- Ok, good for you
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] I guess televisions and cars > great education for all, and all the resources you need to be productive. This is obvious sarcasm. Though Norway is not a "true" socialist country, you realize they have a better standard of living than we do right? They are not capitalist. Sweden is the same way.you we have libraries in american with FREE knowledge that tax payers pay for.. correct? We do. Many people are not able to teach themselves through books though. Which is why we have classes in the first place. Different people learn in different ways. Everyones different. Many people simply dont have the time. My manager works double shifts (14 hours) several times a week. Is he supposed to goto the library and read all sorts of books? When does he spend time with his family?Atheists_Pwn
Do you not get the point of a library? you can RENT a book for a prolonged period of time, and if he works those hours and wants to spend time with his family how is supposed to take all sorts of classes. You just contradicted yourself...
As much as the people on the left and right hate Bush and Obama. They (along with Carter) are no where near the worst Presidents ever. Not even in the worst 10, The presidents leading up the the Civil War where just horrible, maybe borederline traitors. They pretty much lead the US into Civil War, which was the bloodiest war in the histroy of the US.
To say that any one in that list is the worst president in US history is just ignoring history.
We do. Many people are not able to teach themselves through books though. Which is why we have classes in the first place. Different people learn in different ways. Everyones different. Many people simply dont have the time. My manager works double shifts (14 hours) several times a week. Is he supposed to goto the library and read all sorts of books? When does he spend time with his family?[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] you we have libraries in american with FREE knowledge that tax payers pay for.. correct?imaps3fanboy
Do you not get the point of a library? you can RENT a book for a prolonged period of time, and if he works those hours and wants to spend time with his family how is supposed to take all sorts of classes. You just contradicted yourself...
do you not get the concept of time? I did not contradict my self. Please read it more closely. You already accused me of hypocrisy when you were wrong, and misunderstood my blatant point. You should assume you would do it again, and you did.Thats not at all true. Now you have to prove that people wont work on things. Now you have to prove that people a) dont have hobbies b) dont work on things if they need to. If you need to clean your house, you simply do it. If you need food, you go get it, or make it. You need a serious lesson on what non sequiturs are. You infact can study logic. I suggest you do it and analyze your poor argument structures. 'And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably." You said that hard work will take you out of poverty. It makes logical sense to assume harder work will lead to richness. Why dont you start a business? You do WANT to be a billionaire right? "Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me?" This isnt an argument. This is an appeal to emotion. This is a logical fallacy. "There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to.." You admitted capitalism is not free at all, but a system of control. I like working on things. I have very productive skills. I know many who do.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol... cant believe the argument you are proposing. And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably. The only way to be a billionaire is start your own business or inherit the money. Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me? There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to..imaps3fanboy
1- Your first argument made literally no sense, and I suggest YOU work on your "argument structures" and stop being a pseudo - intellectual because you are making no sense at all
2- I dont want to start a business because I don't want the responsibility nor am I that good of a leader.
3- Logical Fallacy? Again you're being a pseudo - intellectual. I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable.
4- Capitalism is not a system of control, it just makes you work hard for things instead of having them handed to you because " you dont like to work"
5- Ok, good for you
1)
It made perfect sense. Do you know what an argument structure is? If not, stop assuming you do. Its not some baseless insult to say that you have a bad argument structure. Saying saying works is not poor structure if you merely disagree with it.
Please read the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning (not as important as the other two)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
2) Did you CHOOSE to be that way, or are you naturally that way? This is an important point that has to be made later on.
3) Yes it is a logical fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
Prove that im being a pseudo intellectual, you made the claim, now the burden of proof is on you.
Work can be enjoyable. It depends on the situation and what you are doing. 4) You admitted its a system of control. Whether or not your reasoning makes sense is another topic entirely
proof:
"I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable."
" Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol."
You support a system that in your eyes forces people into labor, so that the said system "works." Dont bother back tracking.
George Bush...nuff said
James Buchanan is the worst president ever, no one comes close to how bad he was.I would say losing almost half the country to rebellion while under your watch is pretty bad.
He watched as the country fell apart and did nothing at all. He could have ended the civil war with minimal bloodshed,but instead he watched as Federal forts in the south surrendered left and right...if it weren't for Lincoln the United States would be a shadow of what it is today.
To be fair there are other presidents not on that list that could be the worst president. Plus I think it's too soon to Judge Bush and Obama.Simple question...
Now that Obama has added 10 trillion dollars of debt and really has done more harm than good he is my vote.
Chrypt22
Which one? 'cause it's too soon to judge the second one.[QUOTE="maniamsmart"]
George Bush...nuff said
whipassmt
But not too soon to judge Obama, who isn't even halfway through his first term, right?
[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="SeanDog123"]If you keep the same amount of doctors, but add more patients, you have less care overall. That's just a fact.SeanDog123Wow...was that the same argument they used against public police, schooling, and other public services? By that logic wouldn't that create jobs the medical field if the current workforce can't keep up with with the population? There are already roughly 270 million in the U.S. healthcare system, and extra 32 million will cause the system to collapse? Look at Canada, they have lotteries for families who can receive care. uhh no we don't.
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] Thats not at all true. Now you have to prove that people wont work on things. Now you have to prove that people a) dont have hobbies b) dont work on things if they need to. If you need to clean your house, you simply do it. If you need food, you go get it, or make it. You need a serious lesson on what non sequiturs are. You infact can study logic. I suggest you do it and analyze your poor argument structures. 'And when did I EVER say that if you work hard you could become a billionaire. All I said is that if you work hard you can live comfortably." You said that hard work will take you out of poverty. It makes logical sense to assume harder work will lead to richness. Why dont you start a business? You do WANT to be a billionaire right? "Most people naturally like to work? are you kidding me?" This isnt an argument. This is an appeal to emotion. This is a logical fallacy. "There is no way a society can work if you just let people not work because they don't want to.." You admitted capitalism is not free at all, but a system of control. I like working on things. I have very productive skills. I know many who do. Atheists_Pwn
1- Your first argument made literally no sense, and I suggest YOU work on your "argument structures" and stop being a pseudo - intellectual because you are making no sense at all
2- I dont want to start a business because I don't want the responsibility nor am I that good of a leader.
3- Logical Fallacy? Again you're being a pseudo - intellectual. I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable.
4- Capitalism is not a system of control, it just makes you work hard for things instead of having them handed to you because " you dont like to work"
5- Ok, good for you
1)
It made perfect sense. Do you know what an argument structure is? If not, stop assuming you do. Its not some baseless insult to say that you have a bad argument structure. Saying saying works is not poor structure if you merely disagree with it.
Please read the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning (not as important as the other two)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
2) Did you CHOOSE to be that way, or are you naturally that way? This is an important point that has to be made later on.
3) Yes it is a logical fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
Prove that im being a pseudo intellectual, you made the claim, now the burden of proof is on you.
Work can be enjoyable. It depends on the situation and what you are doing. 4) You admitted its a system of control. Whether or not your reasoning makes sense is another topic entirely
proof:
"I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable."
" Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol."
You support a system that in your eyes forces people into labor, so that the said system "works." Dont bother back tracking.
Sorry but I don't have the time nor will to argue with your logic less mindset.
i don't know how anyone can say obama is a bad president. he was tossed in the middle of one of the worst economic meltdowns, probably second to the great depression. and he's wedging us out of it, slowly but surely. everybody deserves health care. look at canada. their health care is phenomonal. obama is trying to make us more "socialist" as some people say. what's wrong with socialism? go in the dictionary and read what socialism means. not once does it say "evil" or "communist." in fact, communism and socialism are polar opposites. i believe the worst president to be franklin pierce. oh no, i didn't choose a recent president. george bush, sr. was a good president. but junior failed at everything, and caused a war we still fight to this day for no reason. if you people supported our troops as you say, you'd want them to come home rather than die meaninglessly every single day. or are you too busy picketing and rioting about obama, when bush was the one who started our war. guess what? obama is trying to send our troops home. you idots. (:no_more_fayth"Socialism and communism are polar opposites" I stopped reading there.
btw: Obama is not bringing our troops home.. he is actually sending more into Afghanistan.. you SERIOUSLY need to do some research.
[QUOTE="HUGE_Flavor"]He hasn't "damaged" our country at all.it is without one shred of regret that i vote for Mr. Obama. I can't even begin to imagine how much more damage he'll do to our country in the years to come. Especially if, god forbid, he is re elected.
Silverbond
Go take a look at how much further into debt we've gone since he's taken office. Then i dare you to come back and say that again. It's only a matter of time before he runs out of everyone's money.
Bush, by far. He is worse than Hitler and Stalin. Evil incarnate. A disgusting piece of trash. rlake
um. Last i checked, Bush didn't have anyone people executed for no good reason like Stalin did. :|
He hasn't "damaged" our country at all.[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="HUGE_Flavor"]
it is without one shred of regret that i vote for Mr. Obama. I can't even begin to imagine how much more damage he'll do to our country in the years to come. Especially if, god forbid, he is re elected.
HUGE_Flavor
Go take a look at how much further into debt we've gone since he's taken office. Then i dare you to come back and say that again. It's only a matter of time before he runs out of everyone's money.
He hasn't damaged our country at all. :|
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="rlake"]Bush, by far. He is worse than Hitler and Stalin. Evil incarnate. A disgusting piece of trash. rlakeHaha.. troll post? No. I honestly believe that he is one of the most evil figures in human history.
then come back when you understand history. Stalin killed thousands of his own people for no reason other than the fact that they did not agree with his tyrannical political views.
No. I honestly believe that he is one of the most evil figures in human history.[QUOTE="rlake"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Haha.. troll post?HUGE_Flavor
then come back when you understand history. Stalin killed thousands of his own people for no reason other than the fact that they did not agree with his tyrannical political views.
A lot more then thousands.. try tens of millions of peopleHe hasn't damaged our country at all. :|
Silverbond
i beg to differ
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/18/obamas_dangerous_debt_96539.html
No. I honestly believe that he is one of the most evil figures in human history.[QUOTE="rlake"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Haha.. troll post?HUGE_Flavor
then come back when you understand history. Stalin killed thousands of his own people for no reason other than the fact that they did not agree with his tyrannical political views.
Yeah! Bush only sent the FBI to check up on those types of people.
why do i need to hear myself? i'm not ranting or raving in the slightest. i'm trying to have an intellectual conversation, which i seem to be failing at. yes. i did say that. they are similar in a lot of ways. but they are different in a lot of ways. i shouldn't have used the term "polar." i was trying to make a point. i was using that as a hyperbole. you took my thought out of context, and i can't blame you. we have a war in afghanistan, because we were there getting in the mix of their silent war. and they do have some terriorst factions. but obama is sending some troops home. he may be sending some to afghanistan, but he is sending some home. that is where our argument hit a wall.Lol.. you SERIOUSLY need to hear yourself 1- yes.. they are very similar.. in every way.. socialism just isn't as radical as full blown communish. 2- In Afghanistan Obama is sending in troops.. we have a WAR going on there..he maybe sending some home from Iraq, but hes sending more then are coming back.. 3- We are not in Iraq for the oil.. sick of this arguement. 4- I didn't twist anything.. did you not say "Socialism and communism are complete opposites?" lol.. im not taking your words out of context at all..
why do i need to hear myself? i'm not ranting or raving in the slightest. i'm trying to have an intellectual conversation, which i seem to be failing at. yes. i did say that. they are similar in a lot of ways. but they are different in a lot of ways. i shouldn't have used the term "polar." i was trying to make a point. i was using that as a hyperbole. you took my thought out of context, and i can't blame you. we have a war in afghanistan, because we were there getting in the mix of their silent war. and they do have some terriorst factions. but obama is sending some troops home. he may be sending some to afghanistan, but he is sending some home. that is where our argument hit a wall. I never said that he isn't bringing them home.. im just saying he sending a lot more into Afghanistan the he is taking home from Iraq. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/obama_sending_more_troops_to_afghanistan_4Zip6gld4A2W7Ziuod71YNLol.. you SERIOUSLY need to hear yourself 1- yes.. they are very similar.. in every way.. socialism just isn't as radical as full blown communish. 2- In Afghanistan Obama is sending in troops.. we have a WAR going on there..he maybe sending some home from Iraq, but hes sending more then are coming back.. 3- We are not in Iraq for the oil.. sick of this arguement. 4- I didn't twist anything.. did you not say "Socialism and communism are complete opposites?" lol.. im not taking your words out of context at all..
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]
1- Your first argument made literally no sense, and I suggest YOU work on your "argument structures" and stop being a pseudo - intellectual because you are making no sense at all
2- I dont want to start a business because I don't want the responsibility nor am I that good of a leader.
3- Logical Fallacy? Again you're being a pseudo - intellectual. I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable.
4- Capitalism is not a system of control, it just makes you work hard for things instead of having them handed to you because " you dont like to work"
5- Ok, good for you
imaps3fanboy
1)
It made perfect sense. Do you know what an argument structure is? If not, stop assuming you do. Its not some baseless insult to say that you have a bad argument structure. Saying saying works is not poor structure if you merely disagree with it.
Please read the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning (not as important as the other two)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
2) Did you CHOOSE to be that way, or are you naturally that way? This is an important point that has to be made later on.
3) Yes it is a logical fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
Prove that im being a pseudo intellectual, you made the claim, now the burden of proof is on you.
Work can be enjoyable. It depends on the situation and what you are doing. 4) You admitted its a system of control. Whether or not your reasoning makes sense is another topic entirely
proof:
"I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable."
" Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol."
You support a system that in your eyes forces people into labor, so that the said system "works." Dont bother back tracking.
Sorry but I don't have the time nor will to argue with your logic less mindset.
in other words, i am right. logic less? i loled.[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
1)
It made perfect sense. Do you know what an argument structure is? If not, stop assuming you do. Its not some baseless insult to say that you have a bad argument structure. Saying saying works is not poor structure if you merely disagree with it.
Please read the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning (not as important as the other two)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
2) Did you CHOOSE to be that way, or are you naturally that way? This is an important point that has to be made later on.
3) Yes it is a logical fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29
Prove that im being a pseudo intellectual, you made the claim, now the burden of proof is on you.
Work can be enjoyable. It depends on the situation and what you are doing. 4) You admitted its a system of control. Whether or not your reasoning makes sense is another topic entirely
proof:
"I don't know anyone that would choose to work rather then spend a day outside or something enjoyable."
" Everyone should have to work. If no one had to work then a country would obviously not function lol."
You support a system that in your eyes forces people into labor, so that the said system "works." Dont bother back tracking.Atheists_Pwn
Sorry but I don't have the time nor will to argue with your logic less mindset.
in other words, i am right. logic less? i loled.no.. you are not right.. anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense. Therefore, I refuse to argue you over your ridiculous ideas.
in other words, i am right. logic less? i loled.[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]
Sorry but I don't have the time nor will to argue with your logic less mindset.
imaps3fanboy
no.. you are not right.. anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense. Therefore, I refuse to argue you over your ridiculous ideas.
so you actually do have the time to argue with me? But youd rather throw away the facts and keep it simple like this eh? When I say facts I mean the questions/statements I asked/said-to you in the post you wouldnt answer. "anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense" Is that so? Can you prove that using deductive reasoning? Did you read the material I gave you, or was it too complex to demand you to make true logical statements instead of saying emotionally charged thins such as that? You are arguing over my ideas. You're doing it right now. i loled again. Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute, but rather they do have rights. You have yet to prove that people are naturally lazy. You also cannot cite sources that say people dont want to work jobs in capitalist societies since all the variables would be different. Considering people have hobbies, and projects and such that they do on their own without any financial reward, it makes perfect sense to everyone that people do actually do things without any kind of profit motive. You seem to like metal music. the overwhelming majority of metal bands dont turn a profit. Those that do dont turn a profit large enough that they can survive on music alone. Dimmu Borgir has said in interviews that they have part time jobs in their home countries (you dont have to believe that, but I did read it in an interview a year or two ago). thats just one example.[QUOTE="Chrypt22"]Now that Obama has added 10 trillion dollars of debt and really has done more harm than good he is my vote.scorch-62Please go read about Andrew Jackson before you make such claims. Of your poll choices, Bush is easily the worst. Of all time, Andrew Jackson takes the cake.
Damn, you beat me to it.
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] in other words, i am right. logic less? i loled.
Atheists_Pwn
no.. you are not right.. anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense. Therefore, I refuse to argue you over your ridiculous ideas.
so you actually do have the time to argue with me? But youd rather throw away the facts and keep it simple like this eh? When I say facts I mean the questions/statements I asked/said-to you in the post you wouldnt answer. "anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense" Is that so? Can you prove that using deductive reasoning? Did you read the material I gave you, or was it too complex to demand you to make true logical statements instead of saying emotionally charged thins such as that? You are arguing over my ideas. You're doing it right now. i loled again. Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute, but rather they do have rights. You have yet to prove that people are naturally lazy. You also cannot cite sources that say people dont want to work jobs in capitalist societies since all the variables would be different. Considering people have hobbies, and projects and such that they do on their own without any financial reward, it makes perfect sense to everyone that people do actually do things without any kind of profit motive. You seem to like metal music. the overwhelming majority of metal bands dont turn a profit. Those that do dont turn a profit large enough that they can survive on music alone. Dimmu Borgir has said in interviews that they have part time jobs in their home countries (you dont have to believe that, but I did read it in an interview a year or two ago). thats just one example. Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!imaps3fanboy
word. i can't stand it when people call us greedy for not wanting others to live the life style you mention. So we're greedy because we don't want other people to live at our expense?
[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!HUGE_Flavor
word. i can't stand it when people call us greedy for not wanting others to live the life style you mention. So we're greedy because we don't want other people to live at our expense?
Lol.. according to atheist pwn people that dont want to work shouldnt have to.. only people that want to work should work.. there is no way a society can work on that..Neither of those three.
Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson, and James Buchanan were probably the three worst Presidents.
James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson Anyone who picks Bush, Obama, or Carter is clueless. None of these President have done anything to constitute "the worst" ever. :roll:Maniacc1Those were the two I was going to pick as well.
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]so you actually do have the time to argue with me? But youd rather throw away the facts and keep it simple like this eh? When I say facts I mean the questions/statements I asked/said-to you in the post you wouldnt answer. "anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense" Is that so? Can you prove that using deductive reasoning? Did you read the material I gave you, or was it too complex to demand you to make true logical statements instead of saying emotionally charged thins such as that? You are arguing over my ideas. You're doing it right now. i loled again. Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute, but rather they do have rights. You have yet to prove that people are naturally lazy. You also cannot cite sources that say people dont want to work jobs in capitalist societies since all the variables would be different. Considering people have hobbies, and projects and such that they do on their own without any financial reward, it makes perfect sense to everyone that people do actually do things without any kind of profit motive. You seem to like metal music. the overwhelming majority of metal bands dont turn a profit. Those that do dont turn a profit large enough that they can survive on music alone. Dimmu Borgir has said in interviews that they have part time jobs in their home countries (you dont have to believe that, but I did read it in an interview a year or two ago). thats just one example. Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us! Again, you threw away every statement and question pointed at you. You do have a right to the basics of society. If you dont have a skill, or something youre working at then you are missing out on a big part of being human. But then again, you are still a kid. So youll probably change in a few years.no.. you are not right.. anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense. Therefore, I refuse to argue you over your ridiculous ideas.
imaps3fanboy
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]so you actually do have the time to argue with me? But youd rather throw away the facts and keep it simple like this eh? When I say facts I mean the questions/statements I asked/said-to you in the post you wouldnt answer. "anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense" Is that so? Can you prove that using deductive reasoning? Did you read the material I gave you, or was it too complex to demand you to make true logical statements instead of saying emotionally charged thins such as that? You are arguing over my ideas. You're doing it right now. i loled again. Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute, but rather they do have rights. You have yet to prove that people are naturally lazy. You also cannot cite sources that say people dont want to work jobs in capitalist societies since all the variables would be different. Considering people have hobbies, and projects and such that they do on their own without any financial reward, it makes perfect sense to everyone that people do actually do things without any kind of profit motive. You seem to like metal music. the overwhelming majority of metal bands dont turn a profit. Those that do dont turn a profit large enough that they can survive on music alone. Dimmu Borgir has said in interviews that they have part time jobs in their home countries (you dont have to believe that, but I did read it in an interview a year or two ago). thats just one example. Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!no.. you are not right.. anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense. Therefore, I refuse to argue you over your ridiculous ideas.
imaps3fanboy
This belief that anyone who needs assistance is lazy is truly disturbing.
I'm sorry but a person with schizophrenia who cannot work and as such cannot help themselves probably DOES need some help and I wouldn't call them lazy. If you truly believe everyone who gets government assistance is just lazy, you really need to look again.
[QUOTE="HUGE_Flavor"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!imaps3fanboy
word. i can't stand it when people call us greedy for not wanting others to live the life style you mention. So we're greedy because we don't want other people to live at our expense?
Lol.. according to atheist pwn people that dont want to work shouldnt have to.. only people that want to work should work.. there is no way a society can work on that.. thats a strawman fallacy. "Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute" That is what I said. You are a liar. You cannot prove that "there is no way a society can work on that.." If its so easy to understand how come you avoid demonstrating this claim? Keep in mind it cannot have any leaps in logic. Maybe thats why.Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us! Again, you threw away every statement and question pointed at you. You do have a right to the basics of society. If you dont have a skill, or something youre working at then you are missing out on a big part of being human. But then again, you are still a kid. So youll probably change in a few years. You don't know me.. i'm not a kid. Being a human requires things you don't want to do.. everything in life can't always be what you want or what you want to do, thats called being selfish, and not working because you don't like it is selfish.[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"] so you actually do have the time to argue with me? But youd rather throw away the facts and keep it simple like this eh? When I say facts I mean the questions/statements I asked/said-to you in the post you wouldnt answer. "anyone that thinks that if you don't want to work because you don't like and should be supported for doing nothing is someone that obviously lacks common sense" Is that so? Can you prove that using deductive reasoning? Did you read the material I gave you, or was it too complex to demand you to make true logical statements instead of saying emotionally charged thins such as that? You are arguing over my ideas. You're doing it right now. i loled again. Its commonplace to believe that people who do not work still have rights to things that society offers. This is the basis of welfare. This is the basis to most European countries. Latin America and Asia follow suit in most regards. This does not mean they shouldnt contribute, but rather they do have rights. You have yet to prove that people are naturally lazy. You also cannot cite sources that say people dont want to work jobs in capitalist societies since all the variables would be different. Considering people have hobbies, and projects and such that they do on their own without any financial reward, it makes perfect sense to everyone that people do actually do things without any kind of profit motive. You seem to like metal music. the overwhelming majority of metal bands dont turn a profit. Those that do dont turn a profit large enough that they can survive on music alone. Dimmu Borgir has said in interviews that they have part time jobs in their home countries (you dont have to believe that, but I did read it in an interview a year or two ago). thats just one example.Atheists_Pwn
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"]Again, you threw away every statement and question pointed at you. You do have a right to the basics of society. If you dont have a skill, or something youre working at then you are missing out on a big part of being human. But then again, you are still a kid. So youll probably change in a few years. You don't know me.. i'm not a kid. Being a human requires things you don't want to do.. everything in life can't always be what you want or what you want to do, thats called being selfish, and not working because you don't like it is selfish. Who said people wont do what they dont have to? All I said is that they shouldnt HAVE to in order to survive. "thats called being selfish, and not working because you don't like it is selfish." Really now? Everyone should have the basic human right to not be a slave. Many very rich people do practically nothing. Their children often live off of interest rates. This might be an obvious point, but I felt I had to make it. If you dont like selfish people, in "my society" you can tell them to get off their asses. They just have a right to the basics. People dont want to be excommunicated from all social life by default. Its how we evolved. We are tribal, or collective. People MAY work because they feel obligated to. Thats up to them. I cant call the shots for them, like it is in this society. Rich people call the shots for everyone. Dare we be a little selfish?[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] Sweet, I hate working.. I guess Ill sit on my butt all day and watch T.V. So will all of my friends... screw the hard working people.. they can pay for us!imaps3fanboy
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