Who would win in a conventional Armed Conflict? U.S.A. Vs. England?? (No Nukes)

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#1 Rynair9
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If both nations were allowed to use anything in their arsenal besides WMDs, Biological and chemical weapons,andallied nations.

Who would win?

I think American because they have alot better funding, training, andmore advanced tech; then those brits.

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The US would win, however in the event we are beaten in a war the 4 Trident Subs are ordered to use all 6 Nukes each on the target and erase them.
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#3 ferrari2001
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Well no duh who would win, U.S.A. is like 3 times the size, and has like 10x the budget, and a much larger military. It's not a hard decision.
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#4 bigblunt537
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wouldn't a nuke be a wmd? But I think since so much of the world think Americans are evil, England would have so many allies that we'd have no chance. My opinion although and I'm no war/politics expert.

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#5 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The US has 12 Aircraft carriers.. I think the British have maybe one..
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wouldn't a nuke be a wmd? But I think since so much of the world think Americans are evil, England would have so many allies that we'd have no chance. My opinion although and I'm no war/politics expert.

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Alliances rarely have to do with who is "evil" and "good" but for strategic, economic, and political reasons..
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#7 swiftkillz0
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america would win. come on
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#8 Buck_Hotep
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No WMDs used then the US will win just due to the size of its military and the fact that it can project its power in the already mention 12 supercarriers and their attached battlegroups. Also, the US can pretty much send waves upon waves of long-range bombers without having to take any airfield closer to the UK. If the goal was just to wipe out the British Isles and its military then infantry and armor will not even be needed.

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#9 Euroshinobi
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oh my god.......can we just get rid of threads like these on the spot ?.....all they do is rowdy up all the users from different countries, how many This country vs That country threads have we had ? between two countries that will never fight each other, c'mon, honestly do you want the two nations to fight ?

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The US is a wealther country.

It has larger military spending.

Its citizens outnumber Englands about 5:1, in the event of conscription.

The US is a MUCH larger country, a larger surface area is harder to conquer. Just as a point of reference, England fits into the state of texas over 3 times...

It doesn't matter how many enemies the US have, it would still win. England isn't too popular herself. Ask any number of countries that used to be in our Empire...or France, Spain, Germany, Russia etc etc etc

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wouldn't a nuke be a wmd? But I think since so much of the world think Americans are evil, England would have so many allies that we'd have no chance. My opinion although and I'm no war/politics expert.

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Well technically the 24 Nukes would hit America when the war would have finished.
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If you had the same size army as us, then we would win. We have an insanely good military considering we're such a small country.

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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

The US is a wealther country.

It has larger military spending.

Its citizens outnumber Englands about 5:1, in the event of conscription.

The US is a MUCH larger country, a larger surface area is harder to conquer. Just as a point of reference, England fits into the state of texas over 3 times...

It doesn't matter how many enemies the US have, it would still win. England isn't too popular herself. Ask any number of countries that used to be in our Empire...or France, Spain, Germany, Russia etc etc etc

Winning a war does not mean you have to conquer the said country... Popularity seldom has to do with alliances.. Chances are the US wil have far more allies over England due to it being economically more important, not to mention more powerful.. Better to have a powerful ally than a powerful enemy.
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[QUOTE="dommeus"]

The US is a wealther country.

It has larger military spending.

Its citizens outnumber Englands about 5:1, in the event of conscription.

The US is a MUCH larger country, a larger surface area is harder to conquer. Just as a point of reference, England fits into the state of texas over 3 times...

It doesn't matter how many enemies the US have, it would still win. England isn't too popular herself. Ask any number of countries that used to be in our Empire...or France, Spain, Germany, Russia etc etc etc

plus americans are more experienced with guns if push comes to shove
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If they were able to successfully invade, the US would most likely win.
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Who cares about modern warfare? Pfffff.......... I say. :P

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I would say its hard to tell, the Royal navy is pretty good at what it does, plus the abrams isnt as good as the challenger, and the m-16 and the L852 are comprable.

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US would win. If was to happen right now though isn't our military sorta stretched a little think with Iraq and Afghanistan or would we still be all right?
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US would win. If was to happen right now though isn't our military sorta stretched a little think with Iraq and Afghanistan or would we still be all right?TheColbert

Still be all right since a constant campaign of bombing would pretty much incapacitate the island. And unlike the Battle of Britain during WW2, this campaign won't be a prelude to a follow-up invasion. Just carpet bomb the island from south to north and east to west.

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I would say its hard to tell, the Royal navy is pretty good at what it does, plus the abrams isnt as good as the challenger, and the m-16 and the L852 are comprable.

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The Royal Navy is dwarfed by the United States Navy.. The US almost has 13 aircraft carriers (the 13th is still in construction).. That is the modern day weapon of choice, and Great Britain has one.. The US also has more tanks and a greater airforce.. Its quite easy to know who would win.. Its just due to the fact the US is a huge economy, and their budget dwarfs Great Britians in military spending.
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#21 VoodooGamer
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I'm going to have to go with the Republic of Quebec on this one ya'll. ;)

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US, it's bigger..... sorta obvious, if nukes were involved the UK would loose again as the UK has the highest concentration of primary targets in the world (or at least it did in the cold war), if you his all the prime targets there's only a few small spots which arn't blown to pieces areas in Yorkshire, Scotish Iles and Scotish Highlands i think
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#23 TenP
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America has nearly the the amount of spending put into the Military that the rest of the world has combined.

America would kick it's ass.

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US, it's bigger..... sorta obvious, if nukes were involved the UK would loose again as the UK has the highest concentration of primary targets in the world (or at least it did in the cold war), if you his all the prime targets there's only a few small spots which arn't blown to pieces areas in Yorkshire, Scotish Iles and Scotish Highlands i thinkmarkop2003
Well no one wins a nuclear war.. The US may wipe out all of Great Britain, but the United States would probably lose a 3rd or more of its landmass.. Those would all be high priority targets. In the end that would be the destruction fo the United States as we know it as well..
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[QUOTE="WKS92"]

I would say its hard to tell, the Royal navy is pretty good at what it does, plus the abrams isnt as good as the challenger, and the m-16 and the L852 are comprable.

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The Royal Navy is dwarfed by the United States Navy.. The US almost has 13 aircraft carriers (the 13th is still in construction).. That is the modern day weapon of choice, and Great Britain has one.. The US also has more tanks and a greater airforce.. Its quite easy to know who would win.. Its just due to the fact the US is a huge economy, and their budget dwarfs Great Britians in military spending.

Great britain has more than one carrier, it's standard for all fleets to have 2 carriers, currently we have 2 in action and 1 in reserve
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No brainer... America!

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Americans would mop the floor with the brits with the only major resistance coming from the SAS

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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="WKS92"]

I would say its hard to tell, the Royal navy is pretty good at what it does, plus the abrams isnt as good as the challenger, and the m-16 and the L852 are comprable.

The Royal Navy is dwarfed by the United States Navy.. The US almost has 13 aircraft carriers (the 13th is still in construction).. That is the modern day weapon of choice, and Great Britain has one.. The US also has more tanks and a greater airforce.. Its quite easy to know who would win.. Its just due to the fact the US is a huge economy, and their budget dwarfs Great Britians in military spending.

Great britain has more than one carrier, it's standard for all fleets to have 2 carriers, currently we have 2 in action and 1 in reserve

My mistake sorry I read up on a ways back and forgot the number.. Also checked the Untied States has 11 super carriers.. And is working on a 12th..
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Poland would take advantage and conquer the two, moving onto the world. They have good sausages though, so I wouldn't mind.
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Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

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#31 Buck_Hotep
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Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

Jacobistheman

The US doesn't have to invade the UK to win. They can just plan a campaign of annihilation instead of a campaign of conquest.

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its really hard to tell maybe it would be in a stalemate
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Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

Jacobistheman
Nah the United States would destroy them in invasion, the only problem there will always be is if there would be a occupation..
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You're all being horrible :cry:
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i think america for the same reasons you said, but some hard numbers would be nice.
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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

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Nah the United States would destroy them in invasion, the only problem there will always be is if there would be a occupation..

I am not sure. Germany had a hard time when they tried to invade (but they also were fighting in Russia at the same time).
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[QUOTE="markop2003"]US, it's bigger..... sorta obvious, if nukes were involved the UK would loose again as the UK has the highest concentration of primary targets in the world (or at least it did in the cold war), if you his all the prime targets there's only a few small spots which arn't blown to pieces areas in Yorkshire, Scotish Iles and Scotish Highlands i thinksSubZerOo
Well no one wins a nuclear war.. The US may wipe out all of Great Britain, but the United States would probably lose a 3rd or more of its landmass.. Those would all be high priority targets. In the end that would be the destruction fo the United States as we know it as well..

With the UK though it wouldn't be just the destruction of life as we kknow it but the destruction of the actual land mass, there are simply that many targets.
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You're all being horrible :cry:Bourbons3
The truth hurts.
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America no doubt. Our armed forces are bigger.
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#40 markop2003
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Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

Jacobistheman
Nah the UK would be conquered pretty easily though it wouldn't end with a good result, it would be somewhat like Iraq with the US having to continue the occupation to keep order
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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

markop2003
Nah the UK would be conquered pretty easily though it wouldn't end with a good result, it would be somewhat like Iraq with the US having to continue the occupation to keep order

err no, the Trident Subs have standing orders to effectively erase the enemy in the event of an invastion.
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#42 Dr_Brocoli
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If both nations were allowed to use anything in their arsenal besides WMDs, Biological and chemical weapons,andallied nations.

Who would win?

I think American because they have alot better funding, training, andmore advanced tech; then those brits.

Rynair9
Source for better training ? And better tech? I think you need to do research my friend. Cough SAS cough...
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#43 Dr_Brocoli
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If you had the same size army as us, then we would win. We have an insanely good military considering we're such a small country.

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I think you are English? if so, then this. Damned ignorant Americans especially TC
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#44 CBR600-RR
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Hmm I wonder why everyone ignored my post, maybe because I proved a very good point? Never underestimate our size! :evil:

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[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

lucky326
Nah the UK would be conquered pretty easily though it wouldn't end with a good result, it would be somewhat like Iraq with the US having to continue the occupation to keep order

err no, the Trident Subs have standing orders to effectively erase the enemy in the event of an invastion.

... the topic is without nukes, anyway you do know the Trident missiles were made by the US right and they're carried by 4 British subs and 14 US subs also each US sub has 8 more missiles than the UK versions
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#46 LJS9502_basic
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The US but why would we want to fight England. And do you mean the UK or merely the one country? I need specifics.

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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

Where are they fighting. If the US was trying to invade the UK, the US would lose. If it was anywhere else the UK would get thier @** kicked.

Nah the United States would destroy them in invasion, the only problem there will always be is if there would be a occupation..

I am not sure. Germany had a hard time when they tried to invade (but they also were fighting in Russia at the same time).

WW2 does not compare to today.. The reason why Germany could not conquer Great Britain or Russia, is they were basically islands.. One by the English Channel and the other by their rugged terrain and weather.. That doesn't matter in this age with the transportation we have, what would end up happening would be the destruction of their navy.. And the Subsequent bombing from aircraft off our aircraft carriers and bases in Europe on Great Britian.. We would pound on them till they surrender.. Germany navy wasn't particularly impressive they had numerous problems with their engines, and their most feared vessel was the Uboat which was used mainly to disrupt supply lines.
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The US but why would we want to fight England. And do you mean the UK or merely the one country? I need specifics.

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Obviously the U.S. would destroy Great Britain. The only country that would pose a threat to the U.S. is China.
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America obviously...