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Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Pirate700
So did MGS and those new Japenese Deodorant Commercials. But I am sure someone will come in here and defend the Samurai as being better.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Pirate700
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play. Samurai armor wasn't all that much lighter. Many suits had tons of iron on them. Also their swords weren't meant to get through steel plate. They were meant for cloth and leather. On on a one-on-one melee, the knight would typically win. The fighter would be larger, his armor stronger, and his weapons more devastating to the Samurai than the other way around.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Nibroc420
If by some strange instance a knight met a samurai in battle I'd put my money on the knight. They strike me as being more tactically versatile with a wider variety of experience fighting foreign enemies.
Samurai, a knights armor is very heavy and doesn't allow for speed or mobility. Samurai move fast and would be able to strike in weaker areas of a knights armor. If they aren't wearing the armor then it comes down to the individual and their skills.Rattlesnake_8Samurai did not move fast. Stop watching so much anime. They moved faster than most knights, but not so fast that the knight couldn't react. They can't just move like lightning.
Samurai, a knights armor is very heavy and doesn't allow for speed or mobility. Samurai move fast and would be able to strike in weaker areas of a knights armor. If they aren't wearing the armor then it comes down to the individual and their skills.Rattlesnake_8There is Light Armor and Samurais Armor is not that much lighter, especially since Samurai Armor tents to hang out and be clunky. Their Swords are also not better overall.
Samurai did not move fast. Stop watching so much anime. They moved faster than most knights, but not so fast that the knight couldn't react. They can't just move like lightning. Not to mention that there was Knight Armor that was not as heavy as the ones you saw in those Cinemax films. Heck, how do you think those training sessions the people move so fast?[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Samurai, a knights armor is very heavy and doesn't allow for speed or mobility. Samurai move fast and would be able to strike in weaker areas of a knights armor. If they aren't wearing the armor then it comes down to the individual and their skills.Pirate700
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This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play. Samurai armor wasn't all that much lighter. Many suits had tons of iron on them. Also their swords weren't meant to get through steel plate. They were meant for cloth and leather. On on a one-on-one melee, the knight would typically win. The fighter would be larger, his armor stronger, and his weapons more devastating to the Samurai than the other way around. /threadSamurai, a knights armor is very heavy and doesn't allow for speed or mobility.Rattlesnake_8
A myth.
A knights armor weighed only about 45 pounds. That's about the same weight (and probably a little less) than modern soldiers typically carry.
Some knights were actually well-known for jumping onto their horses.
The knight would win...the Samurai blade was brittle, especially compared to European swords.
Likely the samurai as they wear lighter armor and have substantially better mobility. What swords they use are meaningless to a fight, as most sword fights turn into bashing contests.ZevianderFirst off, samurai armor isn't light. It's iron and thick leather. Second, the weapons do matter. The Katana isn't meant to cut through steel, and if the two swords clashed, the Katana would likely break against a great sword. And just breaking it down to the fighter, knights were the absolute best of the best where Samurai typically was a standard fighter. Bottom line, an average samurai would typically get rocked like a hurricane by an average knight.
Almogavars had pretty much leather for armor. And they killed lots of knights. So armors isn't a thing. Samurais were a lot better. Their swordmanship and techniques have no par. They lived solely for training and nurturing their skills (even going to temples was a part of their lives). Going with samurai. They even got to something of a sixth sense. Knights were more of tecnicians of war.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Pirate700
First off, samurai armor isn't light. It's iron and thick leather. Second, the weapons do matter. The Katana isn't meant to cut through steel, and if the two swords clashed, the Katana would likely break against a great sword. And just breaking it down to the fighter, knights were the absolute best of the best where Samurai typically was a standard fighter. Bottom line, an average samurai would typically get rocked like a hurricane by an average knight. Pirate700Not all samurai armor is made the exact same way. And smaller, thinner sheets of metal woven into leather is way lighter than full blown steel plate mail. And a greatsword? That seems like a silly weapon choice to go up against another knight-class fighter. Not to mention samurai use many types of weapons, not just katana.
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]First off, samurai armor isn't light. It's iron and thick leather. Second, the weapons do matter. The Katana isn't meant to cut through steel, and if the two swords clashed, the Katana would likely break against a great sword. And just breaking it down to the fighter, knights were the absolute best of the best where Samurai typically was a standard fighter. Bottom line, an average samurai would typically get rocked like a hurricane by an average knight. ZevianderNot all samurai armor is made the exact same way. And smaller, thinner sheets of metal woven into leather is way lighter than full blown steel plate mail. And a greatsword? That seems like a silly weapon choice to go up against another knight-class fighter. Not to mention samurai use many types of weapons, not just katana. Fine, if the knight is using a polearm, it's even more over.
The knight but f*ck both of them.
A ninja would beat bother their asses.
Goyoshi12
Ninjas were assassins, they weren't trained for face-to-face combat.
If a ninja was discovered, he created a diversion (coins or later shuriken were used for this purpose) and fled.
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The knight but f*ck both of them.
A ninja would beat bother their asses.
br0kenrabbit
Ninjas were assassins, they weren't trained for face-to-face combat.
If a ninja was discovered, he created a diversion (coins or later shuriken were used for this purpose) and fled.
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What makes you think a ninja would face them head on? Plus, even if he flees he can always return.
He may not do very well in a fight but I never said he would, I said he would beat both their asses and indeed a ninja would.
What makes you think a ninja would face them head on? Plus, even if he flees he can always return.
He may not do very well in a fight but I never said he would, I said he would beat both their asses and indeed a ninja would.
Goyoshi12
The context of the OP makes it pretty clear this is a contest in combat, not "who can sneak up unseen".
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What makes you think a ninja would face them head on? Plus, even if he flees he can always return.
He may not do very well in a fight but I never said he would, I said he would beat both their asses and indeed a ninja would.
br0kenrabbit
The context of the OP makes it pretty clear this is a contest in combat, not "who can sneak up unseen".
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Yeah and the context of my post was f*ck them both because a Ninja would win against both of them.
Never said how he would win just that he would win.
Yeah and the context of my post was f*ck them both because a Ninja would win against both of them.
Never said how he would win just that he would win.
Goyoshi12
That isn't the topic of this thread. In a face-to-face fight, a Ninja would lose to both.
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What makes you think a ninja would face them head on? Plus, even if he flees he can always return.
He may not do very well in a fight but I never said he would, I said he would beat both their asses and indeed a ninja would.
Goyoshi12
The context of the OP makes it pretty clear this is a contest in combat, not "who can sneak up unseen".
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Yeah and the context of my post was f*ck them both because a Ninja would win against both of them.
Never said how he would win just that he would win.
Well what if the knight was a paladin and had healing spells? What then?Well what if the knight was a paladin and had healing spells? What then?Pirate700
OMG I pwned someone so bad in an Everquest duel beause of Lay of Hands once he quit the game. lol.
depends on the fighters, the armor, the weapons, generally I'd say the knight because of the better armor, though armor does still have weak spots, and samurais had heavy blunt weapons to fight armored enemies like the kanabolamprey263What? This is still a debate? And now the thread has NINJAS? For the quoted, it doesn't depend at all, there is no advantage a Samurai has. Samurai wear weaker armor or don't wear armor at all. While it's more rare for knights not even having a little armor on them even off the field. Even so, Knights have more deadly swords, and are trained to fight defensively, when you see Knight battles without armor even for training they are much faster than what you would see Samurai doing and executing all kind of techniques, especially for heavier swords.
Most people in this thread seem to think that the Katana was the only weapon the samurai used.
the Kanabo was used for fighting armored opponents
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Yeah and the context of my post was f*ck them both because a Ninja would win against both of them.
Never said how he would win just that he would win.
br0kenrabbit
That isn't the topic of this thread. In a face-to-face fight, a Ninja would lose to both.
I know, I said a knight would win but in the context of EVERYTHING a ninja would kick their ass.
Also, try not to take the post to seriously. It's meant to be a silly post.
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play. And a Katana cant cut through steel armor, good luck with that.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
Nibroc420
[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Almogavars had pretty much leather for armor. And they killed lots of knights. So armors isn't a thing. Samurais were a lot better. Their swordmanship and techniques have no par. They lived solely for training and nurturing their skills (even going to temples was a part of their lives). Going with samurai. They even got to something of a sixth sense. Knights were more of tecnicians of war. It was pretty much the same crap with knights, most of them were guys who were trained since they were kids. Stop watching so much anime, seriously. your post screams "waponese" to me.This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.
curono
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