Who would win in a fight? A Medieval Knight or a Samurai?

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#51 YoshiYogurt
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[QUOTE="The4thVIII"][QUOTE="Starchaser187"]

I'd say a Samurai would win

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Hmm, anime avatar hmm....

 

Your point?

The new motorcycle yugioh is so bad. It should have stopped after Atem went to Egyptian heaven or whatever. Is Takehashi even writing this new crap? Anyway it's the knight for obvious reasons. The samurai were no Kenshin.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.

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Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play.

And a Katana cant cut through steel armor, good luck with that.

Katanas wouldn't be used against heavily armored opponents. Congrats on showing how knowledgeable you are, instantly assuming the katana would be used. Stop watching so much anime.
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#53 one_plum
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http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Knight

http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Samurai_%28Age_of_Empires_II%29

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#54 Chicken453
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There a re many more weapons used by the samurai than just a Katana. An dachi which is basically a samurai version of a greatsword, A tachi or Nagamaki would end a Knight if wielded by a skilled samurai. Also do people forget that swordsman that sliced a machine gun in half.
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#55 TacticalDesire
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[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

The context of the OP makes it pretty clear this is a contest in combat, not "who can sneak up unseen".

 

Pirate700

Yeah and the context of my post was f*ck them both because a Ninja would win against both of them.

Never said how he would win just that he would win.

Well what if the knight was a paladin and had healing spells? What then?

Haha:lol:

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A knight vs a samurai is a fight between 2 very different breeds of warrior. Without taking into account codes of honor or conduct, additional weaponry, or anything along those lines, just a fight that focuses on both sides in traditional armor, a single sword (Longsword, Katana), and their distinct fighting styles, I'd have to put my money on the knight.

Sure, the Katana is possibly the greatest blade ever created, and a skilled Samurai could easily punch it through some weaker plate armor, the longsword tended to be heavier than the Katana and was MADE for piercing plate armor, and would easily poke through the lighter, less protective armor of the samurai. Samurai armor was created to fend off slash blows from the side, the traditional fighting technique with a japanese sword, and tended to be less effective to piercings from the front and in the joints as the metal plates only covered broad, stationary areas. Knight armor, after the plate armor technique was perfected some time in the 15th century, was very durable, if heavy, and a knight could shrug off a slash and some piercings. Longsword became piercing weapons entirely for this reason, as slashing durable plate armor served no purpose other than hastening your own death. A katana, while an admirable piercing weapon, wouldn't have the strength to pierce a knights armor on the first, second, or possibly even the third try, even at the joints. It wasn't designed for that style of combat as the main focus. I've heard stories of some samurai actually using European armor over their own as it was considered superior in defense to bladed weapons.

Their fighting styles also differed greatly. A samurai was about predicting your opponents movements, your best attacks being either defensive or to gain a tactical advantage over your opponent. In a samurai duel, it was not unheard of for the battle to be won in a single blow before the opponent could even draw his weapon. A samurai fought savagely, but their was a rhythm it followed. They had steps in their fighting, choreography if you will, and they expected their opponents to follow a similar, if not identical, code of fighting. Slash and kill... pierce joint if not successful... slash exposed area if not successful, dodge or block as needed. Knights, on the other hand, had no code of fighting. Sure, they had styles, like half-sword, but their fighting techniques were brutish and unorthodox, meant to overwhelm, confuse, and beat their enemy into submission. Even their sword techniques were odd, at least to what we believe dueling to be. Crossing blades, swashbuckling, wasn't a common occurence. Knights often kept a hand on the blade at all times, easier to maneuver the blade and block incoming attacks. They used every part of the weapon when it was needed, pommel, grip, blade, even their own fists if need be. Knights chose this form of combat as a way to take out an opponent quickly, as crossing blades, which only served to damage the blade and put you at a disadvantage in a fight, could be drawn out and tiring if they were both in appropriate armor. They would often go for any opening their opponent gave them: a missed lunge could mean a pommel to the back of the head, a missed tackle meant a stab in the back, etc. A samurai would not be able to adapt to such a fast-paced and changing style of fighting without prior knowledge of their opponents techniques, and even then their own equipment is not designed to deal with it.

It's a difficult scenario to imagine, but I would still go with the knight. Their superior armor and styles of fighting give them an advantage in my opinion.

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#57 tocool340
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I'm a fan of Samurai and like them in animations. But lets face reality, a medieval knight would clearly have the advantage due his armor alone being nearly impervious to whatever the Samurai has in his arsenal. Even if the Samurai is keen enough to find any openings in that armor, he'd better hope that knight is kind enough to allow him to get up close to get a clean strike in....
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#58 sukraj
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Samurai

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#59 th3warr1or
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The knight.

The Samurai were a warrior class -- they were Samurai whether they were actually talented warriors or not, simply because they're born into it. Military prowess is not hereditary. On the other hand, the knights are actually the elite. You're not a knight because your dad was one, but rather because you're a talented fighter. Now if you asked me whether a Samurai Daimyo would beat a knight, I'd say yes. At least that's how I see it.

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#61 dercoo
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Knight

Better (and contrairy to popular belief often lighter) armor

Better, less fragile weapons

Better average physique

And equal or better training on every weapon but the bow(Samaraui treasured archery, particularly horse archery, as highly as spear or sword combat)

The samurai were great warriors, but the knight was the walking tank of the battlefield back in the peak of the sword & shield days of combat.

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#62 Ricardomz
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Knight.

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#63 MirkoS77
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As I understand it, the bow and arrow and spear were the Samurai's weapons of choice, with their swords being their last resort. It strikes me that one on one melee fighting was not their focus or preference. To put them up against a fighter whose focus IS on melee engagements seems to give an obvious answer. What do I know, I only saw this on the History channel but it makes sense. So whatever.
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The Black Knight.

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They don't die easily.

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Samurai usually used bows on horse back. Their swords were in case the enemy got too close and were designed so that you can strike in the same movement as drawing. In actual one on one combat it was pretty ineffective as cutting power means little if you have armour on. Knights weren't as slow as people think, and the sword was designed to crush armour rather than cut it, the force would shatter the enemies bones and kill them. Obviously the knight would win in one on one close combat.
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for what it's worth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
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#68 j_assassin
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]for what it's worth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

katana won versus longsword, does it mean samurai > knight?
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#69 Planeforger
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Well...knights had better weapons, armour, and training, so in a straight-up melee fight a samurai wouldn't stand a chance. As for horse archery...that may have been effective against knights, although I'm guessing that they would have had quite a lot of experience against that as well?
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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]for what it's worth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFoj_assassin
katana won versus longsword, does it mean samurai > knight?

 

Longsword is really little more than a really heavy and dense club, the test was unfair as they didn't show its blunt force trauma (ability to crush skull) as opposed to sharpness

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A man in tin foil is just as good as a knight in shining armour.
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play.

And a Katana cant cut through steel armor, good luck with that.

Katanas wouldn't be used against heavily armored opponents. Congrats on showing how knowledgeable you are, instantly assuming the katana would be used. Stop watching so much anime.

I know they had other weapons, it's only a generalization, I know about the naginata and that club-like weapon, they were dumbed down versions of the european weapons, knights had pretty much the same stuff, only better.
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#73 Evil_Saluki
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those Samurai swords are faffy to maintain, always thought of them as overrated. Friends of mine own some swords of different sizes, we got one from tintagel gift store which is about 4 and a half foot in lenth and the owner, who's a metalcrafter and wielder had sharpened it for fun (naughty). He would swipe off whole branches of an apple tree with it, the blade was still going and wanting more, causing him to stagger.

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for what it's worth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFocomp_atkins

 

Been waiting for someone to post this nonsense...

This video is to an objective, empirically sound test what a dairy cow is to a champion racehorse - it just ain't.

The quality and authenticity of each of the respective weapons is never established, the tests are dubious and with all my respect to Gunny Ermey, the handler is just an utter amateur (notice how in the ice cube test he strikes with the tip of the katana, and with the middle section of the longsword).

Furthermore, knowledgable people have suggested that the longsword in this video isn't even sharp!

So no, this video is hardly a representation of the qualities of those two weapons.

For reference, here's what a sharp sword does with the slightest tap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMkGF3EqUjU

Longsword is really little more than a really heavy and dense club, the test was unfair as they didn't show its blunt force trauma (ability to crush skull) as opposed to sharpness

ClassicRockFTW

Sounds like you don't really know what a longsword even is...

So let me tell you - historically, longswords almost never weighted above 4lbs, and most surviving examples are closer to 3lbs.

This might surprise you, put this puts them in the same weight range as the katanas.

So no blunt trauma, no. At least not to the extent you're suggesting.

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I guess it would depend on the skill of each. If they were of equal skill and both on horseback I'd say the Knight. The samurai would have more endurance on foot though and the knight would tire out quicker with the heavy plate and mail armor + shield. If the knight was lucky he'd get a good hit on the samurai but I could imagine it might turn out like the fight with Bronn and The Eyrie knight in Game of Thrones.

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I know they had other weapons, it's only a generalization, I know about the naginata and that club-like weapon, they were dumbed down versions of the european weapons, knights had pretty much the same stuff, only better.lightleggy
The biggest advantage of European knights is that they have access to better iron ore. The technique of making a Katana in the first place was the result of compensating for the poor quality of Japanese iron ore. The Kanabo is more mythical, and is more associated with priests than Samurai. Samurai generally prefer using the Yumi bow. Naginatas are more associated with women rather than men.
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There a re many more weapons used by the samurai than just a Katana. An dachi which is basically a samurai version of a greatsword, A tachi or Nagamaki would end a Knight if wielded by a skilled samurai. Also do people forget that swordsman that sliced a machine gun in half.Chicken453
Oh lord... Put the tv REMOTE DOWN.
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A knight vs a samurai is a fight between 2 very different breeds of warrior. Without taking into account codes of honor or conduct, additional weaponry, or anything along those lines, just a fight that focuses on both sides in traditional armor, a single sword (Longsword, Katana), and their distinct fighting styles, I'd have to put my money on the knight.

Sure, the Katana is possibly the greatest blade ever created, and a skilled Samurai could easily punch it through some weaker plate armor, the longsword tended to be heavier than the Katana and was MADE for piercing plate armor, and would easily poke through the lighter, less protective armor of the samurai. Samurai armor was created to fend off slash blows from the side, the traditional fighting technique with a japanese sword, and tended to be less effective to piercings from the front and in the joints as the metal plates only covered broad, stationary areas. Knight armor, after the plate armor technique was perfected some time in the 15th century, was very durable, if heavy, and a knight could shrug off a slash and some piercings. Longsword became piercing weapons entirely for this reason, as slashing durable plate armor served no purpose other than hastening your own death. A katana, while an admirable piercing weapon, wouldn't have the strength to pierce a knights armor on the first, second, or possibly even the third try, even at the joints. It wasn't designed for that style of combat as the main focus. I've heard stories of some samurai actually using European armor over their own as it was considered superior in defense to bladed weapons.

Their fighting styles also differed greatly. A samurai was about predicting your opponents movements, your best attacks being either defensive or to gain a tactical advantage over your opponent. In a samurai duel, it was not unheard of for the battle to be won in a single blow before the opponent could even draw his weapon. A samurai fought savagely, but their was a rhythm it followed. They had steps in their fighting, choreography if you will, and they expected their opponents to follow a similar, if not identical, code of fighting. Slash and kill... pierce joint if not successful... slash exposed area if not successful, dodge or block as needed. Knights, on the other hand, had no code of fighting. Sure, they had styles, like half-sword, but their fighting techniques were brutish and unorthodox, meant to overwhelm, confuse, and beat their enemy into submission. Even their sword techniques were odd, at least to what we believe dueling to be. Crossing blades, swashbuckling, wasn't a common occurence. Knights often kept a hand on the blade at all times, easier to maneuver the blade and block incoming attacks. They used every part of the weapon when it was needed, pommel, grip, blade, even their own fists if need be. Knights chose this form of combat as a way to take out an opponent quickly, as crossing blades, which only served to damage the blade and put you at a disadvantage in a fight, could be drawn out and tiring if they were both in appropriate armor. They would often go for any opening their opponent gave them: a missed lunge could mean a pommel to the back of the head, a missed tackle meant a stab in the back, etc. A samurai would not be able to adapt to such a fast-paced and changing style of fighting without prior knowledge of their opponents techniques, and even then their own equipment is not designed to deal with it.

It's a difficult scenario to imagine, but I would still go with the knight. Their superior armor and styles of fighting give them an advantage in my opinion.

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I guess it would depend on the skill of each. If they were of equal skill and both on horseback I'd say the Knight. The samurai would have more endurance on foot though and the knight would tire out quicker with the heavy plate and mail armor + shield. If the knight was lucky he'd get a good hit on the samurai but I could imagine it might turn out like the fight with Bronn and The Eyrie knight in Game of Thrones.

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Well, first of all, knights didn't use shields. Like, almost never. That's what armor is for - why would you carry a shield when you're already wearing one all over your body?

Second, it was already noted in this thread, several times actually, that a typical 15-16th century knightly armor is no heavier tha a samurai's armor of the same era, and sometimes even lighter. Furthermore, well made plate armor fits a lot better. It's a perfectly articulated exoskeleton - reenactors who worn it say that it doesn't restrict your range of motion in the slightest, and since it hugs your body, you almost don't feel the weight (once you get used to it). Samurai armor, on the other hand, is embedded in fabric - it hangs from your limbs somewhat, and it resists your motion, a lot like a thick coat would.

As for the GoT duel between Bronn and that other guy - it's a tv show, not reality. In real life, knights were noblemen who were training in the arts of war since they were little children. They trained in their suit of armor constantly, including exercise that was meant to increase their stamina and agility with armor. So hoping to tire out or outmaneuver a real knight in a duel is sheer folly.

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Knight, then as he was celebrating the Mongol hoarde swpet him away ;)

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#81 Barbariser
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TC doesn't specify what kind of knight against what kind of samurai, so I'll use a 16th century samurai trained in the use of arquebuses who easily-one shot kills a pre-plate armour Frankish knight with a longsword.

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#82 Zyamaman
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TC doesn't specify what kind of knight against what kind of samurai, so I'll use a 16th century samurai trained in the use of arquebuses who easily-one shot kills a pre-plate armour Frankish knight with a longsword.

Barbariser

Or... we could perhaps use contemporary examples? How about that?

Because otherwise, what's stopping us from using a 16th century knight and a 10th century samurai?

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Likely the samurai as they wear lighter armor and have substantially better mobility. What swords they use are meaningless to a fight, as most sword fights turn into bashing contests.Pirate700

First off, samurai armor isn't light. It's iron and thick leather. Second, the weapons do matter. The Katana isn't meant to cut through steel, and if the two swords clashed, the Katana would likely break against a great sword. And just breaking it down to the fighter, knights were the absolute best of the best where Samurai typically was a standard fighter. Bottom line, an average samurai would typically get rocked like a hurricane by an average knight.

Eh, knights weren't necessarily the best of the best. Generally speaking knights were those who came from wealth and could afford the armor, weaponry, horses and pagentry that being a knight entailed, and were close to the monarch (being that the monarch was the one who conferred the title of knighthood). In other words one could be a great soldier, but if you weren't part of the landed gentry then generally speaking you'd never be made a knight. Granted the wealth of the landed gentry typically meant that sons had at least some military education that would have typically been unavalible to commoners, but that in and of itself didn't necessarily make one the "best of the best".

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#84 AcidThunder
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Deadliest Warrior once had a knight vs pirate. the pirate won. a Knight would win here though
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Unless I'm mistaken, a katana can't really cut through heavy armor. So I'm not seeing how the samurai would win.chessmaster1989

But dude....they're fast.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.

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Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play.

WRONG. Their weapons were not heavy.. A claymore, one of the largest swords in Europe.. Weighed under 7lbs.. Their armor was not heavy weighing in at 40 to 50 lbs equally distributed throughout the entire frame.. A modern day soldier lugs around heavier gear then that..

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I'd say Samurai because they could usually fight with bows on horseback. Then again I don't know if Japanese arrows could actually break through the knights armor. Basically if they get in a swordfight, the Samurai is cheese.
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The knight, by far.

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The knight, assuming decent armor.

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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

TC doesn't specify what kind of knight against what kind of samurai, so I'll use a 16th century samurai trained in the use of arquebuses who easily-one shot kills a pre-plate armour Frankish knight with a longsword.

Zyamaman

Or... we could perhaps use contemporary examples? How about that?

Because otherwise, what's stopping us from using a 16th century knight and a 10th century samurai?

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#91 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This has been covered to death. The knight and it's not even close. He had better armor, often better trained and had better weaponry. Anime has completely ruined the perception of what Samurai actually were.

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Knights were not "better" they were a different breed of warrior. It's like comparing Karate to Wing Chun, they're different styles. Knights were slower due to heavier armor and heavier swords, but one good hit would devastate, Where as Samurai were quicker due to their lighter armor and swords, they also had faster sword play.

WRONG. Their weapons were not heavy.. A claymore, one of the largest swords in Europe.. Weighed under 7lbs.. Their armor was not heavy weighing in at 40 to 50 lbs equally distributed throughout the entire frame.. A modern day soldier lugs around heavier gear then that..

I said HEAVIER. The average Katana was lighter than a longsword. Samurai didn't wear full plate armor. Samurai weren't focused on bashing their swords together in a test of might, they would move to evade attacks and could kill a man in the same stroke they draw their sword with.
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#92 Zyamaman
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I said HEAVIER. The average Katana was lighter than a longsword.

It wasn't, though.

The two swords belong in the same weight category - the example brought to you was of a two handed Scottish sword, not of a 15th longsword. Longswords didn't weight more than 4 lbs.

What's more, they were typically better balanced, so they were usually quicker.

Samurai didn't wear full plate armor.

No, they didn't.

And it's not something you brag about - their own armor offered less protection, less mobility, all the while weighting about the same.

The Japanese really weren't the best armor makers...

Samurai weren't focused on bashing their swords together in a test of might,

Neither were the knights.

they would move to evade attacks

You would be surprised just how similar European and Japanese fencing styles look oftentimes...

and could kill a man in the same stroke they draw their sword with.

Not if he was dressed in armor (Japanese or European, doesn't matter). Armored and unarmored fencing are two different beasts.

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#93 zeroyaoi
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oops it was different fighters. :p

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#94 Oscar-Wilde
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The end result would boil down to their armor, Like a couple of posters have said, they used similar weaponry of similar quality, and they pretty much had the same training and upbringing. They basically were bored men of noble heritage who trained on their downtime for upcoming wars.

The European knight's armors though were such masterpieces of metal work and were so integral to war that it changed the course of martial history. Their armors basically gave rise to the widespread use of portable firearms and thrusting weapons like the rapier. These new weapons were defining mainstay of the early European history (swashbuckling pirates and cannons), and  they came to prominence because of how much of a pain in the ass these armors were to beat.

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#95 Hexagon_777
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There a re many more weapons used by the samurai than just a Katana. An dachi which is basically a samurai version of a greatsword, A tachi or Nagamaki would end a Knight if wielded by a skilled samurai. Also do people forget that swordsman that sliced a machine gun in half. Chicken453
Which anime is your sig from?

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#96 Morphic
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Id say Samurai, Knght would be pretty slow. I doubt a samuraiwould have too much trouble getting his sword into soft spots in armor.

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Knight. Simply because of the armor.

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#98 Granny_Spanked
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Everyone here is missing the point, its all about whats underneath the armor. Knights were generally nobles who could afford better equipment, and most of the time they were just as good as fighters as the peasants armed with a tunic and a spear. Samurai were trained warriors who were loyal to their masters above all else. They followed the bushido with blinding loyalty and fought to the death. A warrior armed with primitive weapons who is an expert at his craft is more to be feared, than 10 people with latest technical marvel who have no experience at all.
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#99 ScorpionTroll
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Everyone here is missing the point, its all about whats underneath the armor. Knights were generally nobles who could afford better equipment, and most of the time they were just as good as fighters as the peasants armed with a tunic and a spear. Samurai were trained warriors who were loyal to their masters above all else. They followed the bushido with blinding loyalty and fought to the death. A warrior armed with primitive weapons who is an expert at his craft is more to be feared, than 10 people with latest technical marvel who have no experience at all.Granny_Spanked
Knights were trained from childhood as squires to one day become knights, they trained to master the sword, in addition to other weapons, while most peasants did not. The nobility of both Europe and Japan were the warrior class for a reason. Bushido = Chivalry.

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#100 UnknownSniper65
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It depends what era knight

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Early 1000s Norman Knights probably would be an equal match for samurai.

Honestly, 13th-14th Century Era knights simply out class samurai of any era.

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