Who's watching the first GOP Presidential Debate tonight?

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#101 BMD004
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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

Yes, we definitely need a push towards that goal.


"Fuel consumption will never change until the products are widely available". This assumption is historically and conceptually false.

The same thing was said for about many European countries before gas prices started to climb significantly. Did anything change in the short-run? Of course not. Demand for gas is inelastic in the short run. But, as time passes and prices stay high, logistics change, discretionary consumption habits change, citizens demand better infrastructure, etc.. Only high prices over prolonged periods of time will change an entire peoples' attitude towards gas. In the long run, demand for gas is very much elastic.

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No, we don't.

How is it false? If hybrids were near the price of normal cars, people would buy hybrids. The same goes for electric cars. They aren't and won't be for awhile. So I see absolutely no need to cripple ourselves with ridiculous fuel prices when the alternatives aren't widely available or cost effective.

Most Americans couldn't care less about your entire third paragraph. I fall into that category. I know for a fact people will switch over to less fuel-consuming vehicles when they become cheap enough. It's ridiculous to try and force them to right now.

Well see, you buy a hybrid and you won't pay as much for gas. Car doesn't look so expensive now.

But for the money, you can buy a cheaper car with more power. Hybrids have a lawnmower engine. I'm not even going to consider one until they have a lot more power.

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#102 This_Is_Not
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I don't know if anyone is still watching but the whole discussion group on Fox believes Obama is a socialist. He's a moderate who disappointed liberals... the right is ****ing insane.
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#103 flazzle
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Ron Paul seems to have a very strong following with younger voters more and more. Interesting

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#104 Karnage108
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I don't know if anyone is still watching but the whole discussion group on Fox believes Obama is a socialist. He's a moderate who disappointed liberals... the right is ****ing insane. This_Is_Not
You don't agree with that part? I know there's many liberals out there who would.

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#105 MgamerBD
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I'm not. Already know who I'm voting for...
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#106 Serraph105
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There's a debate today?

First I've heard of this.

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I heard most of the biggest players are forgoing it.
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#107 hoola
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Ron Paul did good in this debate. I think his biggest problem is that he doesn't have the sound and look that the other candidates have. He can't make himself sound good in 1 minute.

I think people like being tricked. It seems like the candidates that can avoid the questions the best are the ones who get nominated and elected. Look at Pawlenty and Santorum and Cain. After this debate, I still don't know where they stand on 99% of the issues. The 1% that i do know where they stand only goes for Cain who said he favored a 23% national sales tax (I hate the sales tax more than the income tax).

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#108 Ultimas_Blade
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Honestly I think Romney should drop out of the race. He has a much better chance in 2016. I like him (will not vote for him though in 2012), but he is trying to sweeten up his Tea Party creds too much.

If Romney would embrace his political past he could reinvigorate Rockefeller Republicans, hell he could even inspire his own "Romney" Republicans.

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#109 -Sun_Tzu-
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Ron Paul did good in this debate. I think his biggest problem is that he doesn't have the sound and look that the other candidates have. He can't make himself sound good in 1 minute.

I think people like being tricked. It seems like the candidates that can avoid the questions the best are the ones who get nominated and elected. Look at Pawlenty and Santorum and Cain. After this debate, I still don't know where they stand on 99% of the issues. The 1% that i do know where they stand only goes for Cain who said he favored a 23% national sales tax (I hate the sales tax more than the income tax).

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A lot of his views also aren't popular enough with either the Republican party or the American public in general. It's not just an image problem.
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#110 Salacon
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

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No, we don't.

How is it false? If hybrids were near the price of normal cars, people would buy hybrids. The same goes for electric cars. They aren't and won't be for awhile. So I see absolutely no need to cripple ourselves with ridiculous fuel prices when the alternatives aren't widely available or cost effective.

Most Americans couldn't care less about your entire third paragraph. I fall into that category. I know for a fact people will switch over to less fuel-consuming vehicles when they become cheap enough. It's ridiculous to try and force them to right now.

BMD004

Well see, you buy a hybrid and you won't pay as much for gas. Car doesn't look so expensive now.

But for the money, you can buy a cheaper car with more power. Hybrids have a lawnmower engine. I'm not even going to consider one until they have a lot more power.

My friend has a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid, and it has pretty decent power to it. And to actually be on topic to the thread: I didn't watch.
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#111 surrealnumber5
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debates on excues to drink days is a bad idea.... who won?
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#112 Serraph105
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anyone have a video? I was out taking a test last night.

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#113 Serraph105
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I so wanted to see Gingrich square off on Trump.:lol:

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I would pay money to see Gingrich go toe to toe with Obama in a debate.

I have my money on him not actually running.
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#114 Serraph105
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I've watched the first 15 minutes of it so far and I gotta say my feelings towards Ron Paul have not changed. I still like the guy. He seems to really be speaking about what he believes and not just in "Talking Points" manner.

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#115 surrealnumber5
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I've watched the first 15 minutes of it so far and I gotta say my feelings towards Ron Paul have not changed. I still like the guy. He seems to really be speaking about what he believes and not just in "Talking Points" manner.

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good to hear he is still him, i would hate for that to change.
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#116 Lonelynight
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Question. Does Ron Paul run for president everytime?
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#117 Serraph105
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Question. Does Ron Paul run for president everytime?Lonelynight
I honestly think he has no intention of winning. I think he just wants to get his message out there. I don' have a problem with that.
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#118 Serraph105
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Just finished watching part three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZL05nf_IA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If anyone is reading this skip to 24:14 and listen to 24:50. Given what he stated I have no clue how he came to the conclusion he did outside of it just sounding good.

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#119 Serraph105
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Just finished watching part three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZL05nf_IA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If anyone is reading this skip to 24:14 and listen to 24:50. Given what he stated I have no clue how he came to the conclusion he did outside of it just sounding good.

Serraph105
finished the last bit. Just their closing statements which was nothing special, but then again why would 30 second statements be special in the first place. I would still vote for Ron Paul, but as long as he sticks to his, "Lets legalize drugs" argument (which is something I like about him) I can't realistically see him getting the GOP nomination.
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#120 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]

Just finished watching part three

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZL05nf_IA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If anyone is reading this skip to 24:14 and listen to 24:50. Given what he stated I have no clue how he came to the conclusion he did outside of it just sounding good.

finished the last bit. Just their closing statements which was nothing special, but then again why would 30 second statements be special in the first place. I would still vote for Ron Paul, but as long as he sticks to his, "Lets legalize drugs" argument (which is something I like about him) I can't realistically see him getting the GOP nomination.

though he is personally against abortion he is also for it being legal, that also hurts him, but he is my guy.