Why 1984/Brave new world will never come true

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#1 SaintWalrus
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Governments have been evolved and advanced to achieve stunning levels of incompetence that Orwell could hardly have imagined. Sure, we did wind up with wall monitors in our homes, but they display mostly porn and advertisements.

Besides, the entire reason the Orwellian future genre survives is because it scares the crap out of people. It's what gets the ACLU and Libertarians out of bed in the morning. Sure, the president would probablyliketo make himself Lord Protectorate and live in a giant crystal tower, but these days he would have to ask permission of several multinational corporations first.



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#2 MrPraline
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for something that will never happen, we're well on our way
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#3 Necrifer
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SO SAYETH SAINTWALRUS

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#4 br0kenrabbit
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The principles of newspeak seem to be alive and well. Civilizan casualties are now collateral damage, an insurance program you pay into like Social Security is now an entitlement, and fascism now = communism.

Then you've even got people wanting to re-write the past, like the senators in Tennessee who want to remove all mentions of slavery and genocide from American history textbooks. Winston Smith would feel right at home in the TN legislature.

And then there was that post the other day here about those lamposts that can spy on you and tell you sh1t.

Seems pretty close and getting closer if you ask me.

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I could see something similar happening in the not to distant future.

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#6 onebeelo
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these pessimists really frustrate me. DONT YOU SEE WHAT WE NOW HAVE? ARE YOU EVEN LOOKING? we have law enforcement for entire countries, clean water built into billions of houses at the turn of a tap, warmth and shelter, delicious foods and products from all over the world wrapped and ready for our pleasure, and so much more, all whilst the population has increased by around 5 BILLION (!!!!!) in the past 200 years. make no mistake, 100 years ago the wealthiest king in the world didnt have it as good as your regular joe today. so get over yourself and appreciate whats good, things are great now! but this does not mean things do not have to change.... there is ALWAYS more to improve on.... so keep fighting and pressing for change.... but do not moan about how bad it is, because it is simply NOT
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#7 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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I thought it was because they were works of fiction.
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#8 -Sun_Tzu-
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1984 has already come true.

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#9 Riverwolf007
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are you shytting me?

we live in a world with surveillance cameras on every street, unlimited and totally legal ability to pry into every electronic communication you send and rightspeak. (except we call it political correctness)

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#10 metroidprime55
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Hm, Brave New World...that wouldn't be so bad, they hand out hallucinogens and encourage that you have as much sex as possible.:P
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#11 Bane_09
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Hm, Brave New World...that wouldn't be so bad, they hand out hallucinogens and encourage that you have as much sex as possible.:Pmetroidprime55

Sounds like a good future to me

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#12 kraychik
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SO SAYETH SAINTWALRUS

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Exactly.
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OP is a f*****!

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#14 Joshywaa
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1984 has already come true.

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-Sun_Tzu-

this.

and many things in BNW have (somewhat) come true

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#15 Zeviander
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Could have sworn it already was...
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OP is a f*****!

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#17 Franklinstein
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Governments have been evolved and advanced to achieve stunning levels of incompetence that Orwell could hardly have imagined. Sure, we did wind up with wall monitors in our homes, but they display mostly porn and advertisements.

Besides, the entire reason the Orwellian future genre survives is because it scares the crap out of people. It's what gets the ACLU and Libertarians out of bed in the morning. Sure, the president would probablyliketo make himself Lord Protectorate and live in a giant crystal tower, but these days he would have to ask permission of several multinational corporations first.



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Government has done nothing but a good job making you THINK that it's incompetent. It's actually very meticulous and extracting. And it has taken more rights and liberties than the founding fathers ever would have accepted. Fox News = Ministry of Truth; The War on Terror = Orwell's Perpetual War where only small land concessions are made and then lost; The enemies of yesterday are today's allies, and vice versa. Russia, Japan, Germany, China, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq... to name a few. I could go on.... alcohol/percocets/vicodin/meth/heroine, they collectively make up the SOMA that puts us into quiet acceptance.

Things like entertainment have seen a steady decline as the years have gone by as well... it's almost as if they are saying, "Americans will accept whatever bullish!t we serve them... why do we even try anymore?"

People are so fast to give up their freedoms for a little bit of security, but as Ben Franklin famously said, anyone willing to do so deserves neither and will be denied both.

Movie stars and things like that make great distractions from the world's real problems, but some people are still paying attention...
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#18 Nude_Dude
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@OP: Ignorance is strength man
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#19 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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It won't ever be that definite, but those stories weren't supposed to be prophesies, With our Attorney General saying things like "Due process and judicial process are not one and the same," the PC and "don't say gay movements, and the way our financial system works though, we're well on our way.

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#20 jetpower3
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I would agree. Dystopia is Hard.

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#21 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

OP is a f*****!

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