Why are concerts so popular?

Littlehands,you're serious about this :?Lto_thaG

I'm serious about everything.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"]Why is that? Pot, heroin, coke, anything like that, it's illegal drugs. If a police officer saw you doing it, you would either get a fine or some time in jail.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] You'd be absolutely surprised if you knew how many people in your life are "criminal" like you call it.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] You'd be absolutely surprised if you knew how many people in your life are "criminal" like you call it.thirteen_zombie

I personally have done alot of drugs in my life, and some at the time didnt know what they were, but never ever ever in my life have I stolen from my friends house or even considered breaking in and stealing from my friend. I've never stolen from a store either. I've never been so hopped up that i fought everyone I saw or tried to stab a best friend. Drugs do not make you a sh***y person, a horrible mind and no morals or ethics makes a sh**ty person. Also not everything requires rehab, I have been sober for a year and a half without stepping foot into a rehab center or using some kind of methadone, but i also never did meth, just about everything else.thirteen_zombie

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] If I ever found out a friend of mine was taking drugs, I'd toss them into rehab myself. Unless they were on heroin or meth, then I'd just toss them out. No going back from that. Soon as you take just a bit of that stuff, next thing you know they're in your house stealing things. Like a bunch of animals.LittleHands134

Has nothing to do with perspective, it's the law. You can't go out into the street, shoot someone, and then say it's perfectly fine because you personally had no problem with it. As for the meth or heroin, I haven't seen many people come out of rehab successfully with one of those addictions. They have a very low success rate. At the end of the day, it's wasted money for someone who is just going to shoot themselves up again soon as they get out.

again never have i gone into the streets and shot someone cause I was high, if anything you stay inside cause your paranoid. Also tell me how many people you know addicted to meth or heroin that went in to rehab then came out. How many of them succesfully made it out, what rehab center, how long had they been using, what were there names? What is the average success rate of drug rehabilitation? did they ever pull a gun on you? have they stolen from you? did they break into houses?

Eh, I find concerts to be pretty pointless.

I've been to one concert in my life and I slept through it. Never plan on going to another one...

I disagree. I went to a Queens of the Stone Age concert and it was amazing. They did a few new songs that weren't out yet and they did some gags in between songs.

[QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]I personally have done alot of drugs in my life, and some at the time didnt know what they were, but never ever ever in my life have I stolen from my friends house or even considered breaking in and stealing from my friend. I've never stolen from a store either. I've never been so hopped up that i fought everyone I saw or tried to stab a best friend. Drugs do not make you a sh***y person, a horrible mind and no morals or ethics makes a sh**ty person. Also not everything requires rehab, I have been sober for a year and a half without stepping foot into a rehab center or using some kind of methadone, but i also never did meth, just about everything else.LittleHands134

again never have i gone into the streets and shot someone cause I was high, if anything you stay inside cause your paranoid. Also tell me how many people you know addicted to meth or heroin that went in to rehab then came out. How many of them succesfully made it out, what rehab center, how long had they been using, what were there names? What is the average success rate of drug rehabilitation? did they ever pull a gun on you? have they stolen from you? did they break into houses?thirteen_zombie

At the moment, I don't know any drug addicts. I don't associate with criminals, nor have I ever taken drugs myself. I took a puff of one cigarette back in highschool and I regret it to this day.

As for the statistics on rehabs, it's about a 53.2% success rate in general. That's just barely less than 50% of people coming into rehabs, leaving and then becoming addicted again. Seems pretty bad to me.

Source: http://www.soberforever.net/program_success1.cfm

I disagree. I went to a Queens of the Stone Age concert and it was amazing. They did a few new songs that weren't out yet and they did some gags in between songs.

THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]I personally have done alot of drugs in my life, and some at the time didnt know what they were, but never ever ever in my life have I stolen from my friends house or even considered breaking in and stealing from my friend. I've never stolen from a store either. I've never been so hopped up that i fought everyone I saw or tried to stab a best friend. Drugs do not make you a sh***y person, a horrible mind and no morals or ethics makes a sh**ty person. Also not everything requires rehab, I have been sober for a year and a half without stepping foot into a rehab center or using some kind of methadone, but i also never did meth, just about everything else.thirteen_zombie

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"] It's good that you were never out of money because of it, but plenty of people are. You hear about drug related crimes in the news every single day. It's horrible, and a world without drugs would be a better world.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] It's good that you were never out of money because of it, but plenty of people are. You hear about drug related crimes in the news every single day. It's horrible, and a world without drugs would be a better world.LittleHands134

alright i'm done little hands, this is just flustering me. I've argued this to many times and don't know why I'am now. I mean no offense to you or anyone else in here i just believe people have terrible views on these things and it only deepens the problem when theres so much misunderstanding, and no experience.

well when you're addicted to a substance like heroin or meth your heart has to have it after a while or your heart stops if you dont do heroin or meth. So at some point those people entering and leaving rehab are helpless in their own life, because they got so tied up in a terrible terrible addiction. People that far into an addiction dont have a choice anymore their body just has to have it or it shuts down, becuase with those substances, certain levels of abuse cause the body to be dependent on that substance and the heart reprograms to use that substance to keep going, so it has to be in you, this is why they make methadone, to ween people off it so their heart doesnt stop. At some point these addicts cannot save themselves from it, their body is making them helpless in their situation and its not their fault anymore. You cant view them as awfull people, you have to accept them for what they did and do what you can to help, you cant slander them all day cause they do something mommy said not to do.thirteen_zombie

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] However, the music would be terrible.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] I think that the no more destroyed families, children born with heroin addictions, and people that die every day to overdoses would make up for the slightly worse music quality.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Sure, but we make do with the world we actually have. And in this world, we have great musicians and great concerts.Engrish_Major

I really don't understand it. I've only been to one concert and that was about three years ago, but it was hell on earth. I see no intelligent reason why anyone would want to go, even if they are a fan of the music.

1. The bands never sound as good live, especially rock bands.

2. There's normally rude, horrible smelling people filling the seats, and they're always very loud.

3. It's hard to enjoy the music when there's people screaming right next to you.

4. You get a generally better sound quality from listening to the music at home.

5. Concerts cost more than two CDs would, and you get more songs from two CDs, at a better sound quality.

There's my five main reasons. It just doesn't make sense for someone to waste their time and money on going to a concert. Why do people do it?

LittleHands134

The vibe I'm getting from you is that you're the type of person who sits in the back of the venue with his arms folded waiting for the messiah of music to come on stage and impress you. (No offense, but that's just what I picture you doing.) If you go into a concert with the attitude, "this better be good" or "ugh, look at those stupid people in the pit" you will never get your money's worth out of a concert. The whole point of the concert is the experience, you have to get into the music or it's just pointless. Sure, there are some terrible live bands out there (trust me, I've seen a lot of them), but there are definitely some that are a lot better or completely different live. Just look at a band like Phish. They've built their reputation on 30 minute jams and known for playing the same song completely different from night to night. Concerts are worth it, you just must have a good attitude about it.

Hell, it's not like you have to get in the moshpit and start hitting people or anything. I personally dislike moshpits and still absolutely love the concert experience. If you ever go to another one (depending on which venue i suppose) pick a spot not in the mosh pit, but where you can still get into the music. Bob your head to the music or just flash the metal horn at the guitarist, just do something. Also, know the band's music before you go.

It's the experience that makes concerts amazing and I would suggest you try one more time. Pick the band carefully, tell your friends to get tickets and get into the music. Not much else I can say.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] And by supporting those very same musicians even more young kids get exposed to a world of drug use.LittleHands134

I really don't understand it. I've only been to one concert and that was about three years ago, but it was hell on earth. I see no intelligent reason why anyone would want to go, even if they are a fan of the music.

1. The bands never sound as good live, especially rock bands.

2. There's normally rude, horrible smelling people filling the seats, and they're always very loud.

3. It's hard to enjoy the music when there's people screaming right next to you.

4. You get a generally better sound quality from listening to the music at home.

5. Concerts cost more than two CDs would, and you get more songs from two CDs, at a better sound quality.

There's my five main reasons. It just doesn't make sense for someone to waste their time and money on going to a concert. Why do people do it?

thats so messed up though because people dont deserve to be thrown in jail because of a decision for their own life that had no affect on anyone else but the willing party. If you kill someone yes you should go to jail and suffer, if you take a drug and sit at home and watch movies hang out and have a good time you do not deserve to be in jail.

I will suggest this, find someone who knows of a crowd of people who enjoy using from time to time and just talk to them, find out who they really are and how they act. Some of the people i have met in those communities and on my own binges are some of the most influencial people you will ever meet because they have incredible stories of triumph and personal pride, overcoming huge life obsticles and some are my best friends. Sounds crazy but its honestly true, there are some amazing people in the world of all walks of life, you cant pass them up because they think or do differently in major ways than you. Put yourself in an uncomfortable element and experience.

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] And more great music is made by the next generation.Engrish_Major

The best reason to go to a concert: sometimes, it's a "once-in-a-lifetime, never-happen-again" event.

I went with my wife to see The Police over the summer, because we knew they were never going to be playing live, ever again, from that point on.

I went with friends to see Iced Earth while they were touring for the "Glorious Burden" album. Seeing "Ripper" Owens live was worth every penny, and actualy meeting the band afterwards... priceless. Especially since Owens left in favor of bringing back Matt Barlow.

I saw Anthrax about 17 years ago when Joey Belladonna was still with the band, and they were touring with Public Enemy. It was the first time a rap act toured with a metal act (to my knowledge), and the last tour for about 15 years with Belladonna as lead vocalist.

Finally, the proceeds of some concerts go to charities, and not to the musicians. Trans-Siberian Orchestra comes to our area every year around Christmas, and donates large sums of money to local causes from their ticket sales. That way, everyone wins: the charities get sizable donations, the fans (the diverse lot I've seen: teenagers with Testament and Savatage T-shirts, grandparents, and everything in between) get a phenomenal live show, and the band gets a lot of positive exposure. I've seen them twice, and plan on seeing them again next year.

Speaking of Anthrax... at a time when it was "metal" to be druggies, they we're seriously anti-drug. Your blanket generalization that you would be "supporting crack-heads" fails here.

Also, jazz musicians introduced pot use to the music world. What kind of music did you say you listen to live? :lol:

thats so messed up though because people dont deserve to be thrown in jail because of a decision for their own life that had no affect on anyone else but the willing party. If you kill someone yes you should go to jail and suffer, if you take a drug and sit at home and watch movies hang out and have a good time you do not deserve to be in jail.

I will suggest this, find someone who knows of a crowd of people who enjoy using from time to time and just talk to them, find out who they really are and how they act. Some of the people i have met in those communities and on my own binges are some of the most influencial people you will ever meet because they have incredible stories of triumph and personal pride, overcoming huge life obsticles and some are my best friends. Sounds crazy but its honestly true, there are some amazing people in the world of all walks of life, you cant pass them up because they think or do differently in major ways than you. Put yourself in an uncomfortable element and experience.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] I think they're too busy ODing behind dumpsters to make much music.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"] How many kids that get interested in drug use from music do you really think end up actually being successful? A very small amount. Sure, you have a few people who might make it big in the music industry, but the rest of them just become failed musicians with a drug addiction.Engrish_Major

The vibe I'm getting from you is that you're the type of person who sits in the back of the venue with his arms folded waiting for the messiah of music to come on stage and impress you. (No offense, but that's just what I picture you doing.) If you go into a concert with the attitude, "this better be good" or "ugh, look at those stupid people in the pit" you will never get your money's worth out of a concert. Tracer2115

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] How many kids that get interested in drug use from music do you really think end up actually being successful? A very small amount. Sure, you have a few people who might make it big in the music industry, but the rest of them just become failed musicians with a drug addiction.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] And then quit the band, and the drugs, hopefully, and get a normal job like the rest of us.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Are you talking about a little gateway drug like pot? I really doubt any of your friends were heavily into heroin or meth, you can't just shrug that off. There's a reason that the success rate in rehabs are only about 50%.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Are you talking about a little gateway drug like pot? I really doubt any of your friends were heavily into heroin or meth, you can't just shrug that off. There's a reason that the success rate in rehabs are only about 50%.LittleHands134

[QUOTE="LittleHands134"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] You are correct about heroin, but musicians don't really do meth. Conversely, high school kids don't do heroin. Musicians and actors do.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LittleHands134"] Are you talking about a little gateway drug like pot? I really doubt any of your friends were heavily into heroin or meth, you can't just shrug that off. There's a reason that the success rate in rehabs are only about 50%.LittleHands134

Nixon coined pot as the "gateway drug". There was no reason for it other than publicity to get mothers to back up his "war on drugs" that had, and still has no purpose other than the fact that in those times, most people, not all, but most people who used pot back then were anti-government, and most still are. It has nothing to do with the fact that its dangerous or addicting, which it is neither, its because he was afraid the users of the world could start something and mutinize the government, which also would not happen because people who use whatever they choose, enjoy having order and justice in life and believe all the same stuff you do.

Also how would you know how many kids are doing heroin or not? you dont know that crowd apparently. thirteen_zombie

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/du.htm

Here's where I get most of my information.

[QUOTE="thirteen_zombie"]Also how would you know how many kids are doing heroin or not? you dont know that crowd apparently. LittleHands134

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/dcf/du.htm

Here's where I get most of my information.