Why are conservatives so against universal healthcare?!

Old is old. Because they feel like it. And liberals feel like it.

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. HaloReachGOTY

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. Genetic_Code

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

Wasdie

Universal healthcare leads to communism!Jaguar_Shade

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. Genetic_Code

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. Genetic_Code

[QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Universal healthcare leads to communism!cybrcatter

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. HaloReachGOTY

anybody who is sick deserves to be cured. dont give me that nonsenseHaloReachGOTY

Socialism is death.

Just look at Canada

I'm not conservative and I'm not for universal health care. Making the current system more affordable, bring jobs in that can handle this benefit, and addressing the uninsured is better. The current government programs are in the red...no way they can handle universal health care. In addition, individuals do have some responsibility in providing for themselves.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"][QUOTE="Jaguar_Shade"]Universal healthcare leads to communism!Jaguar_Shade

Beats me, i doubt they even know why. Maybe they are just naturally opposed to it like Fire to water, or spiders to ants, or logic to illogic, or Romans to Barbarians, or Mongolians to....um....everything.

This is the second thread you've won today :Dcybrcatter

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

HaloReachGOTY

Seeing movies and watching TV is the worst representation of any system of any kind as they only focus on the absolute worst.

In America around 50 million do not have health insurance, most of them by choice. 50 million sounds big, but you forget about the other 250 million Americans that DO have health insurance and everything works fine for them.

I've never heard of somebody getting turned down for an injury, EMTs in an ambulance requiring you to show poof of insurance, doctors refusing to help somebody who comes to the hospital because of a wound...

Sure, quality of life may drop a bit if you can't get certain things, but why is it the bother of others if your quality of life isn't stellar? If you REALLY want to help those in need there are tons of Charity organizations. This Robin Hood mentality of stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is the exact opposite of what our entire country was built upon. You are given the freedom to pursue happiness, you have to catch it on your own. Nothing in the Constitution guarantees us healthy lives, only safe ones in which our freedoms are not hindered by others.

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]anybody who is sick deserves to be cured. dont give me that nonsenseGenetic_Code

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not conservative and I'm not for universal health care. Making the current system more affordable, bring jobs in that can handle this benefit, and addressing the uninsured is better. The current government programs are in the red...no way they can handle universal health care. In addition, individuals do have some responsibility in providing for themselves.l4dak47

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"][QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]anybody who is sick deserves to be cured. dont give me that nonsenseHaloReachGOTY

because it will ruin private insurance. They'll get taxed and mandated out of existence.

I wish we where more like europe.. In Europe its mandatory that all workers get 6 weeks vacation a year as part of their health and wellnes plan, why cant we be like that! when a woman has a baby she can take a full year off work and still be guaranteed a job! god i wish we where like that. In America its all about greed, its all about corporations working you to death and working you to death until you finally get a heart attack at age 40UnchartedZonePS

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm not conservative and I'm not for universal health care. Making the current system more affordable, bring jobs in that can handle this benefit, and addressing the uninsured is better. The current government programs are in the red...no way they can handle universal health care. In addition, individuals do have some responsibility in providing for themselves.Apocalypse33

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

To be honest, I really feel you have no idea how the healthcare system in the USA works.

Seeing movies and watching TV is the worst representation of any system of any kind as they only focus on the absolute worst.

In America around 50 million do not have health insurance, most of them by choice. 50 million sounds big, but you forget about the other 250 million Americans that DO have health insurance and everything works fine for them.

I've never heard of somebody getting turned down for an injury, EMTs in an ambulance requiring you to show poof of insurance, doctors refusing to help somebody who comes to the hospital because of a wound...

Sure, quality of life may drop a bit if you can't get certain things, but why is it the bother of others if your quality of life isn't stellar? If you REALLY want to help those in need there are tons of Charity organizations. This Robin Hood mentality of stealing from the rich and giving to the poor is the exact opposite of what our entire country was built upon. You are given the freedom to pursue happiness, you have to catch it on your own. Nothing in the Constitution guarantees us healthy lives, only safe ones in which our freedoms are not hindered by others.

because it will ruin private insurance. They'll get taxed and mandated out of existence.

dissonantblack

because it will ruin private insurance. They'll get taxed and mandated out of existence.

dissonantblack

1. Everybody is on the same healthcare plan.

2. This means we have no choice in the matter.

3. Everybody being on the same plan doesn't mean everybody pays for it. Wealthy people are forced to contribute more to support the people on welfare. With this covering everybody, there isn't enough money to go around as the rich get poorer and the poor stay poor and dependent.

4. The government spends more and more of our money to pay for people who don't make anything.

5. A black-market medicine sector emerges for people who don't want to screw around with social security welfare healthcare crap.

6. The system eventually becomes over-bloated, the nation in question falls into horrible debt or bankruptcy (lol Greece), and countries that aren't immeasurably stupid are forced to spend THEIR OWN RESOURCES to BAIL THEM OUT (lol Germany).

Worst. Idea. Ever.

[QUOTE="UnchartedZonePS"] Im all for the Robin Hood menatlity.. because even if you tax the rich just a little bit more they will STILL have more money than god.. I mean my god, why on earth does anyone need 50 million a year in income?! I say tax them and they still live very well off 45 million a year

In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.the_foreign_guy

[QUOTE="the_foreign_guy"]

In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.LJS9502_basic

Conservatives are against big government. Universal healthcare would result in a much larger government involvement in citizens' lives and, an increase in the size of the government itself.

I can understand their opposition to this idea but the conservative Tea Party movement is going about it in the wrong way as far as I'm concerned.

My dad was in the army and my parents experienced what universal healthcare is like (healthcare is free for military personal), and from the stories I've heard, its not fun. Sure, everyone gets treated, but the quality of care is sacrificed greatly.

When my dad got out, he and my mother started a family. During my first 18 months, I had severe cases of bronchitis and often had to visit the hospital for breathing issues. My mother decided to have my chest x-rayed to see if there was a problem. The x-ray was discouraged but our private insurance paid for most of it and it did turn up a problem, but not due to the bronchitis. Cancer. I had a ganglioneuroblastoma in my chest cavity between my aorta and spinal column. If it hadn't been found and removed I would be in a wheelchair or worse. Socialized healthcare would have easily denied that x-ray because it wasn't deemed necessary. They, at best, would have waited until it was a clear problem and then x-rayed, and then would treat it, when it would probably be too late. I'm sorry if I'm a horrible person for wanting to be able to walk.

Sure, the current system is in need of reform, but mandating universal healthcare is not the correct answer.

My dad was in the army and my parents experienced what universal healthcare is like (healthcare is free for military personal), and from the stories I've heard, its not fun. Sure, everyone gets treated, but the quality of care is sacrificed greatly.

When my dad got out, he and my mother started a family. During my first 18 months, I had severe cases of bronchitis and often had to visit the hospital for breathing issues. My mother decided to have my chest x-rayed to see if there was a problem. The x-ray was discouraged but our private insurance paid for most of it and it did turn up a problem, but not due to the bronchitis. Cancer. I had a ganglioneuroblastoma in my chest cavity between my aorta and spinal column. If it hadn't been found and removed I would be in a wheelchair or worse. Socialized healthcare would have easily denied that x-ray because it wasn't deemed necessary. They, at best, would have waited until it was a clear problem and then x-rayed, and then would treat it, when it would probably be too late. I'm sorry if I'm a horrible person for wanting to be able to walk.

Sure, the current system is in need of reform, but mandating universal healthcare is not the correct answer.

Excaliber717

[QUOTE="HaloReachGOTY"]the rich dont want taxes raised. they dont care about the poor without health care. yes they are crazy. Genetic_Code

I mean hearing these people speak how against they are universal healthcare makes you wonder if conservatives are sociopaths.. Kids are dying! people are dying! healthcare costs are sky rocketing and yet conservatives just turn their nose up at the subject and are now wanting to repeal the healthcare law! I mean conservatives have to get sick to dont they, dont they have family members that got sick and died because of our broken healthcare system?! why cant conservatives just be for this?UnchartedZonePS

[QUOTE="Excaliber717"]

My dad was in the army and my parents experienced what universal healthcare is like (healthcare is free for military personal), and from the stories I've heard, its not fun. Sure, everyone gets treated, but the quality of care is sacrificed greatly.

When my dad got out, he and my mother started a family. During my first 18 months, I had severe cases of bronchitis and often had to visit the hospital for breathing issues. My mother decided to have my chest x-rayed to see if there was a problem. The x-ray was discouraged but our private insurance paid for most of it and it did turn up a problem, but not due to the bronchitis. Cancer. I had a ganglioneuroblastoma in my chest cavity between my aorta and spinal column. If it hadn't been found and removed I would be in a wheelchair or worse. Socialized healthcare would have easily denied that x-ray because it wasn't deemed necessary. They, at best, would have waited until it was a clear problem and then x-rayed, and then would treat it, when it would probably be too late. I'm sorry if I'm a horrible person for wanting to be able to walk.

Sure, the current system is in need of reform, but mandating universal healthcare is not the correct answer.

sigh-_-

But according to some people in this thread, private providers should be eliminated completely. Their idea of universal healthcare is that the government runs everything in it (at least thats how I see it). Also, medical care is not cheap. A chest x-ray and the other necessary procedures would cost thousands, something my family could definitely not pay by themselves at the time. Without the privatized health insurance, it would almost certainly not be found as early as it was.

No idea. Why someone would rather put their life in the hands of private companies whose overriding goal is the profit motive is beyond me.sigh-_-

My father works in the fincial department of a hospital, therefore his opinion on healthcare >>>>>> your opinion. It is more informed, more educated, and he knows the consquences of the bill (and is payed to understand it, not payed to support it or oppose it blindly). That being said, these are his words (roughly paraphrased). "The health care reform is not perfect. Too much of it was done for political reasons, and if the republicans hadn't opposed it, the democrats could've put together a whole lot better bill. I don't know how it will work out, but it should be embraced because of one thing: the fact that insurance companies can no longer deny coverage to a a person with a pre existing health conditions."

I watched a news story about a brand new born baby that the insurance company refused to cover because something was wrong with its heart or something (its been a few months since I've seen it, its on Youtube though, too lazy to look it up). THIS is what conservatives are fighting for, they are fighting for greed and profit, not the good of the people. The health care bill also has a big impact on my personal family life, one of my cousins has an immuno deficiny disorder, which would make it near impossible for her to get health care. My brother has an extremely rare auto-immune disease, which again would make it nearly impossible to get covered. Another cousin of mine works as a kindergarden teacher, thus she makes too much money to qualify for welfare but far too little to buy company based insurance.

On another note, I live in the conservative south, and recently in a class we had to bring in news articles that suggest we are moving toward Brave New World or 1984 style governments. Needless to say, a lot of people brought in articles saying how Obama care is leading us to socialism, and should be stopped and eaten and peed on. After the class was rallying in agreement while I was throwing out arguments to counter them, the teacher stopped us and asked if anyone really truely understood what the health care system worked. Not a single person rose their hand, but I rose my hand to give them the speech my father gave me about it, which I have posted here.