Very classy sir.Only thing that should be called a she: Dishwasher
drier
washing machine
stove
oven
microwave
har har
edit: forgot ironing board
imaps3fanboy
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Very classy sir.Only thing that should be called a she: Dishwasher
drier
washing machine
stove
oven
microwave
har har
edit: forgot ironing board
imaps3fanboy
That sounds plausible, but it also could be because of the attributes of those things. For instance, just as a man finds a beautiful woman alluring, so does a man find a ship, with its vastness, fascinating. In this case, a man may call that ship "she".In some languages, most nouns have a gender (e.g., they are "he" or "she," not "it"). Perhaps some of that has carried over into English.
Palantas
I hope that makes sense.
That sounds plausible, but it also could be because of the attributes of those things. For instance, just as a man finds a beautiful woman alluring, so does a man find a ship, with its vastness, fascinating. In this case, a man may call that ship "she".[QUOTE="Palantas"]
In some languages, most nouns have a gender (e.g., they are "he" or "she," not "it"). Perhaps some of that has carried over into English.
ghoklebutter
I hope that makes sense.
I always thought ships were referred to 'she' because they were dangerous, unpredictable, and require a lot of maintennance.That sounds plausible, but it also could be because of the attributes of those things. For instance, just as a man finds a beautiful woman alluring, so does a man find a ship, with its vastness, fascinating. In this case, a man may call that ship "she".[QUOTE="Palantas"]
In some languages, most nouns have a gender (e.g., they are "he" or "she," not "it"). Perhaps some of that has carried over into English.
ghoklebutter
I hope that makes sense.
& @ surrealnumber:
In which case I dont think its so consistent in order to actually claim that there are considerable traces of what is actually a grammatical gender.
Just like you said I believe its merely an association of notions, but not consistent enough to determine actual grammatical genders, which would have specific categories of words (categories that stem from any sort of categorisation based on any characteristic of the words, transparent enough for it to be detected as a parametre that defines categories) "belong" to different grammatical genders.
I am of this opinion, because grammatical gender seems to be very sporadically and rarely present in English, except for human beings of course where the use of "she" and "he" is consistent.
Also, maybe I have this impression because of Greek, but, can we really talk about grammatical gender without there also being gender-specific declensions (at least at some level)?
Hm.... *wonders*
Surrealnumber's link doesnt dictate that, and just states that thats what usually happens with some languages known for their distinct grammatical gender ("there is a high but not absolute correlation between grammatical gender and declensional cIass")but it still feels weird.
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]
[QUOTE="Palantas"]
In some languages, most nouns have a gender (e.g., they are "he" or "she," not "it"). Perhaps some of that has carried over into English.
That sounds plausible, but it also could be because of the attributes of those things. For instance, just as a man finds a beautiful woman alluring, so does a man find a ship, with its vastness, fascinating. In this case, a man may call that ship "she".I hope that makes sense.
& @ surrealnumber:
In which case I dont think its so consistent in order to actually claim that there are considerable traces of what is actually a grammatical gender.
Just like you said I believe its merely an association of notions, but not consistent enough to determine actual grammatical genders, which would have specific categories of words (categories that stem from any sort of categorisation based on any characteristic of the words, transparent enough for it to be detected as a parametre that defines categories) "belong" to different grammatical genders.
I am of this opinion, because grammatical gender seems to be very sporadically and rarely present in English, except for human beings of course where the use of "she" and "he" is consistent.
Also, maybe I have this impression because of Greek, but, can we really talk about grammatical gender without there also being gender-specific declensions (at least at some level)?
Hm.... *wonders*
Surrealnumber's link doesnt dictate that, and just states that thats what usually happens with some languages known for their distinct grammatical gender ("there is a high but not absolute correlation between grammatical gender and declensional cIass")but it still feels weird.
seeing as i am not only sick but do not want to feed this thread much food im just going to toss a few thoughts out there. i was not implying a strong bond but a lose heritage built into the language and its culture. any number of theories can be built to fit the faiding trend but most of them assume some form of prejduce, i like to be optimistic about humanity unless i have good reason no to be. in better health i would put up a better argument for poo's and giggles but that aint happening today.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]seeing as i am not only sick but do not want to feed this thread much food im just going to toss a few thoughts out there. i was not implying a strong bond but a lose heritage built into the language and its culture. any number of theories can be built to fit the faiding trend but most of them assume some form of prejduce, i like to be optimistic about humanity unless i have good reason no to be. in better health i would put up a better argument for poo's and giggles but that aint happening today.Yeah yeah I honestly didnt assume much from anyone of you guys' posts, I just sort of discussed any implication that could come from them just for the sake of it. I'm bored.& @ surrealnumber:
In which case I dont think its so consistent in order to actually claim that there are considerable traces of what is actually a grammatical gender.
Just like you said I believe its merely an association of notions, but not consistent enough to determine actual grammatical genders, which would have specific categories of words (categories that stem from any sort of categorisation based on any characteristic of the words, transparent enough for it to be detected as a parametre that defines categories) "belong" to different grammatical genders.
I am of this opinion, because grammatical gender seems to be very sporadically and rarely present in English, except for human beings of course where the use of "she" and "he" is consistent.
Also, maybe I have this impression because of Greek, but, can we really talk about grammatical gender without there also being gender-specific declensions (at least at some level)?
Hm.... *wonders*
Surrealnumber's link doesnt dictate that, and just states that thats what usually happens with some languages known for their distinct grammatical gender ("there is a high but not absolute correlation between grammatical gender and declensional cIass")but it still feels weird.
surrealnumber5
Personally, I dont believe it has to do with a heritage of the language, unless we can find that similar objects had the same gender in a more ancient form of English or in other languages that inlfuenced English such as Latin.
Unless the heritage you mean, isnt so much superficial (merely seeing what gender Latin had for x, y and z categories of objects even when loosely categorised that way, or carrying on the same gender identification from older stages of English simply as a grammatic element) but one that has to do more with semantics and the association of notions which isnt coincidental but distinct throughout the culture diachronically. In that case I agree, its very possible, and its probably answered by sociolinguistics (a field I havent studied in uni).
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] That sounds plausible, but it also could be because of the attributes of those things. For instance, just as a man finds a beautiful woman alluring, so does a man find a ship, with its vastness, fascinating. In this case, a man may call that ship "she".
I hope that makes sense.
& @ surrealnumber:
In which case I dont think its so consistent in order to actually claim that there are considerable traces of what is actually a grammatical gender.
Just like you said I believe its merely an association of notions, but not consistent enough to determine actual grammatical genders, which would have specific categories of words (categories that stem from any sort of categorisation based on any characteristic of the words, transparent enough for it to be detected as a parametre that defines categories) "belong" to different grammatical genders.
I am of this opinion, because grammatical gender seems to be very sporadically and rarely present in English, except for human beings of course where the use of "she" and "he" is consistent.
Also, maybe I have this impression because of Greek, but, can we really talk about grammatical gender without there also being gender-specific declensions (at least at some level)?
Hm.... *wonders*
Surrealnumber's link doesnt dictate that, and just states that thats what usually happens with some languages known for their distinct grammatical gender ("there is a high but not absolute correlation between grammatical gender and declensional cIass")but it still feels weird.
seeing as i am not only sick but do not want to feed this thread much food im just going to toss a few thoughts out there. i was not implying a strong bond but a lose heritage built into the language and its culture. any number of theories can be built to fit the faiding trend but most of them assume some form of prejduce, i like to be optimistic about humanity unless i have good reason no to be. in better health i would put up a better argument for poo's and giggles but that aint happening today. honestly u just seem to wanna get away from the fact that u were wrong, since u didnt even comment on the fact i said that boat isnt even feminine in french - not to mention i already brought all this up before u in the thread, sadly u just sound bitter u even started ur first post with : " i have a linguistics based answer but when i came in the thread and saw young goku i knew it would not be worth my time" which is pretty much looking down on another gs memberits not just french, its alot of languages, german, spanish, portuguese, italian etc languages are built up in many different ways and some use that way - ull find all info u need if u read the whole thread and someone provided with a link to wikipedia but i didnt really look at it - but it might explain it inan easier waywhy does everything in france have a gender?
Overlord93
its not just french, its alot of languages, german, spanish, portuguese, italian etc languages are built up in many different ways and some use that way - ull find all info u need if u read the whole thread and someone provided with a link to wikipedia but i didnt really look at it - but it might explain it inan easier way Oh right, thanks, I should have read the whole thread, my bad :P[QUOTE="Overlord93"]
why does everything in france have a gender?
metalkitten
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