Why Are We Here?

Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- Darth-Caedus

heheheheMahoe30

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- MotherSuperior

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- MotherSuperior

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- eno_crux

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- MrPraline

To live and die.

That, or for the lulz.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- Darth-Caedus

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

If he really does love us and wish us to be with him in heaven, why does he not reveal himself directly to us?

chessmaster1989

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

• 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
• 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
• c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Must this thread really turn into another pointless religious debate? -_- eno_crux

Bible quotes are not good evidence considering that one part of the bible doesn't make any sense. At all.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Who says He didn't? maheo30

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

• 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
• 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
• c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

Because the Bible says so......

Riiiiiight...... :roll:

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

Teenaged

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

Are men at least seeking God?

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

Because the Bible says so......

Riiiiiight...... :roll:

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

Teenaged

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

• 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
• 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
• c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

Because the Bible says so......

Riiiiiight...... :roll:

God exists because The Bible is his holy word-that just summed up the flawed reasoning in Maheo's post.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Who says He didn't? maheo30

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
• Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
• James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

• Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God."
• John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
• Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
• Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
• Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

• 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
• 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
• c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Holy Writ teaches that if He did you still wouldn't acknowledge He was God (see John 9,11, Romans 1-3, Eph. 2). Why? let's see,

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed." Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God." John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed." Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me." Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities. Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

eno_crux

Because the Bible says so......

Riiiiiight...... :roll:

Theres a difference between "I believe in this and I think its the truth" and "this is the truth beyond any doube; all the rest of you are wrong and my faith is based on facts 100% < *oxymoron*"

Just spend some time here at OT, read some evangelising threads and you'll get what I mean.

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Well, nobody's come up to me and revealed himself to be God, so... ;)

MotherSuperior

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

Are men at least seeking God?

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

T_P_O

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="maheo30"] Holy Writ teaches that if He did you still wouldn't acknowledge He was God (see John 9,11, Romans 1-3, Eph. 2). Why? let's see,

What is the natural disposition of man toward God?

John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed." Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Are men at least seeking God?

Psalm 10:4 - The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, "There is no God." John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed." Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me." Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities. Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea 14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Acts 22:14, 26:18; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20.

Apart from God initiating a work of grace no man can believe. it is impossible for him to accept or even acknowledge God.

eno_crux

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

eno_crux

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

eno_crux

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

[QUOTE="eno_crux"][QUOTE="MotherSuperior"] I think there is a God or some sort of creator, but I don't believe anyone has even the remotest idea of who/what it is. That is why I reject any and all religions. I lean more towards a living universe, one that is part of a larger, living thing that reveals itself in the subtleties of nature. And it certainly doesn't involve itself in our lives, judge, reward, or punish. A God would have no use for them, because they are human ideas. To think that humans could even understand their creator is in itself a huge leap of faith. Pun intended.MotherSuperior

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="eno_crux"] aye that be a good man but a bad puneno_crux

[QUOTE="eno_crux"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

MrPraline

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[QUOTE="eno_crux"] Fallacy (that of circular argument) thus this theory is false however since god hasn't been proven unreal he may or may not be eno_crux

[QUOTE="MrPraline"]

[QUOTE="eno_crux"] Fallacy (that of circular argument) thus this theory is false however since god hasn't been proven unreal he may or may not be eno_crux

[QUOTE="eno_crux"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

T_P_O

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="eno_crux"] Fallacy (that of circular argument) thus this theory is false however since god hasn't been proven unreal he may or may not be eno_crux

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

[QUOTE="eno_crux"][QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"28. ARGUMENT FROM THE BIBLE (II)
(1) The Bible says the Bible is true.
(2) Therefore the Bible is true.
(3) The Bible says God exists.
(4) Therefore, God exist."

I love unreasonablefaith.com

T_P_O

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="eno_crux"] Fallacy (that of circular argument) thus this theory is false however since god hasn't been proven unreal he may or may not be Teenaged

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

"109. ARGUMENT FROM LACK OF DISPROOF (1) You can't prove God doesn't exist! (2) Therefore, God exists." Read the about section of www.unreasonablefaith.com and you'll get a link to where I'm getting these. I lol'd so many times.

T_P_O

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]The video about marriage is sooo funny!!! :P

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"] Seen the one from the radio show with that fundamentalist kid? T_P_O

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I started it but I realised it would infuriate me so I ignored it...

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"] I found it pretty funny, and you know I'm not fundie or crap.T_P_O

"This is mankinds dream, mankinds desire, mankinds destiny.
To be the strongest, to go the farthest, to climb the highest,
to compete, to envy, to hate eachother, and to devour one another."-Rau Le Creuset

We are here for the lulz.

Co0kieMonsterxX

This. :lol:

We are here for the lulz.

Co0kieMonsterxX

If you want to have Evolution proved to you, watch this. Does it mean theres no god? no silly lol, just that evolution happened, stop denying it to those of you who dont believe it=p

http://www.5min.com/Video/How-Chimp-Chromosome-13-Proves-Evolution-11049

Random yes, but i just forgot about this and wanted to show people.

When I figure it out, I'll tell you.

For a finder's fee.

do we need a reason??

When I figure it out, I'll tell you.

For a finder's fee.

Theokhoth