Why can you smoke in the street but not drink?

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

That is far from the truth. Cigarettes have positives. Just because you don't think it's worth it doesn't mean nobody should smoke just because you don't. Cigarettes won't kill me. Even if they did, it's none of your business, really.

raynimrod

Really, cigarettes have positives? Please do tell, I'd be interested to hear your idea of "positive".

They're a dangerous concoction of chemicals, marketted in such a way to attract young and impressionable people in addition to keeping the older smokers hooked. I fail to see how breathing in all those potentially deadly toxins can produce beneficial, positive results. I also fail to see how they could possibly be legal...

Oh wait, the government taxes the industry and makes and absolute fortune - nevermind.

Really, cigarettes have positives? Please do tell, I'd be interested to hear your idea of "positive".

They're a dangerous concoction of chemicals, marketted in such a way to attract young and impressionable people in addition to keeping the older smokers hooked. I fail to see how breathing in all those potentially deadly toxins can produce beneficial, positive results. I also fail to see how they could possibly be legal...

Oh wait, the government taxes the industry and makes and absolute fortune - nevermind.

raynimrod

If they didn't have any positives, we wouldn't be smoking them, would we? Nicotine has many benefits, of course it's addictive and very dangerous for some people, but personally, I've smoked very moderately for 8 years (I currently smoke 2-3 a day) and cigarettes help me handle my tilt a great deal when playing poker.

everything around you has dangerous chemicals... The happy meal is targeted at young people to get them addicted and fat, caffeine is addictive and targeted at the same age group as cigarettes... You can also overdoes on Caffeine and die... you can't really overdoes on cigarettes (or at least it would be really hard)...W1ckedGo0se

I'm not disputing that, but "well other things are bad so it's okay" is good enough justification for why cigarettes should be legal. Despite how bad those other things you mentioned are, they actually have nutritional value and are safe if taken in moderation (i.e. not abused). Smoking does damage with every cigarette you have, and those who are addicted are often unable to smoke in "moderation". At least, I'm yet to meet a smoker who can.

There's still no basis on which cigarettes should be legal.

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

Making cigarettes illegal is ridiculous. Would you also like to ban some brands of perfume because you don't like the smell?

raynimrod

Making them illegal isn't ridiculous at all. How they're even legal is what bothers me. They're just sticks packed with all kinds of disgusting chemicals that get you addicted to a habbit that does nothing but harm you and others around you. By all rights they should be illegal.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Really, cigarettes have positives? Please do tell, I'd be interested to hear your idea of "positive".

They're a dangerous concoction of chemicals, marketted in such a way to attract young and impressionable people in addition to keeping the older smokers hooked. I fail to see how breathing in all those potentially deadly toxins can produce beneficial, positive results. I also fail to see how they could possibly be legal...

Oh wait, the government taxes the industry and makes and absolute fortune - nevermind.

bloodling

If they didn't have any positives, we wouldn't be smoking them, would we? Nicotine has many benefits, of course it's addictive and very dangerous for some people, but personally, I've smoked very moderately for 8 years (I currently smoke 2-3 a day) and cigarettes help me handle my tilt a great deal when playing poker.

It's good that you can smoke in such moderation, but most can't because of the effect of nicotine. If you actually read the article, it talks about the benefits of nicotine in free-base form, i.e. on it's own, not in a cigarette. In a cigarette, it's dangerous. Anything that is created for the sole purpose of causing addiction and harm shouldn't be legal, that's my take on it.

1. Addiction

2. Harm

3. ????

4. Profit

This is bad lol.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

[QUOTE="bloodling"]

That is far from the truth. Cigarettes have positives. Just because you don't think it's worth it doesn't mean nobody should smoke just because you don't. Cigarettes won't kill me. Even if they did, it's none of your business, really.

W1ckedGo0se

Really, cigarettes have positives? Please do tell, I'd be interested to hear your idea of "positive".

They're a dangerous concoction of chemicals, marketted in such a way to attract young and impressionable people in addition to keeping the older smokers hooked. I fail to see how breathing in all those potentially deadly toxins can produce beneficial, positive results. I also fail to see how they could possibly be legal...

Oh wait, the government taxes the industry and makes and absolute fortune - nevermind.

If you actually read the article, it talks about the benefits of nicotine in free-base form, i.e. on it's own, not in a cigarette. In a cigarette, it's dangerous.raynimrod

Not at all, smoke is dangerous, not nicotine (except for addiction). Electronic cigarettes are the best, of course, but it certainly isn't as tasty.

If a bunch of people get drunk on the street they'll easily cause lots of problems like fights, loudness, and just plain creepiness.

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]

Really, cigarettes have positives? Please do tell, I'd be interested to hear your idea of "positive".

They're a dangerous concoction of chemicals, marketted in such a way to attract young and impressionable people in addition to keeping the older smokers hooked. I fail to see how breathing in all those potentially deadly toxins can produce beneficial, positive results. I also fail to see how they could possibly be legal...

Oh wait, the government taxes the industry and makes and absolute fortune - nevermind.

Inconsistancy

I hate the smell of some perfumes but you don't see me trying to call for a ban on them. You learn to deal since people have free will. You are free to walk away from the smoker in most casestestfactor888

Can't really think of a case that someone would be "free to walk away," unless you're trying to imply that smokers only take up the "unimportant" areas. Unfortunately, they don't. Smokers DO affect the lives of non-smokers in unaviodable manners (outdoor "events", outdoor "lines", parking lots, the cluster right outside the restarant door such that the smoke flows inside everytime someone comes in... or in more crowded cities, those who smoke while they walk and they have to occupy YOUR crosswalk.

everything around you has dangerous chemicals... The happy meal is targeted at young people to get them addicted and fat, caffeine is addictive and targeted at the same age group as cigarettes... You can also overdoes on Caffeine and die... you can't really overdoes on cigarettes (or at least it would be really hard)...W1ckedGo0se

http://www.google.com/search?q=nicotine+overdose

(Ignore wikipedia and the subsequent "Wikipedia is god" sites. Nicotine is nicotine, an overdose is an overdose. Simply because you take drugs in a different manner does not remove the possibility of an overdose).

You do realize that the quote was about how there was nothing positive about cigarettes and you're trying to argue that the negatives aren't that bad... and that other products also have negative aspects... without arguing once about the existince of positives.

Cigarettes are beneficial in a way that they ease stress and relax people.Smoking is pretty much advertised nowhere anymore, and people have the freedom whether or not to. There are a lot of substances that hurt us, but they should not be illegal. As a free man I should be able to abuse my body with what I please, as long as I am finding more reward than risk I will use.KlownMaster

Televised / Radio Advertising of Cigarettes is illegal. I do not believe that it is illegal to advertise it in books or magazines.

However, the "Tobacco Industry" is DIFFERENT than the brand names associated with it. Like the "Milk industry" (Got Milk), "Beef Industry" (It's what's for dinner), etc. The point is that an "industry" is about the "image" of the product... and so long as the cowboy still smokes, the action hero still asks for a light, the girl crushes it under her heel... well, that's advertisment.

I doubt it's as absurd as "Thank You for Smoking" but the point remains that these archetypes remain with us even in an age that frowns upon smoking... and because of this it creates the "social concept" of a ciggarette, which thus leads to desire and then to addiction.

Also, that "relief" you experience is called ADDICTION. You get addicted, and you feel "relieved" after you satisfy your need for more nicotine. Of course, when people start smoking to relieve stress they simply increase the quantity of nicotine in their system (meaning they smoke more than normal) thus increasing dependency (really confusing stuff here :p) leading to them being more stressed until they get their "nicotine fix" (Then of course you get the body "adjusting" to the dosage leading to higher dosages and more addictive behaviour)

Every week there is another article about a bunch of kids ending up the hospital because they had to many of the energy drinks... if you drink 5 - 6 in a day you could end up in the hospital... not that hard... I'll test it if you wish?W1ckedGo0se

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life

Water is bad for you...

What is your argument here wicked? That any chemical, if taken in extreme dosages, can be fatal (except Nicotine of course, because it's uber!)?!?

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]If you actually read the article, it talks about the benefits of nicotine in free-base form, i.e. on it's own, not in a cigarette. In a cigarette, it's dangerous.bloodling

Not at all, smoke is dangerous, not nicotine (except for addiction). Electronic cigarettes are the best, of course, but it certainly isn't as tasty.

Sorry mate, I think you misunderstood the context which could be my fault, I know it's hard to debate properly via text :P. What I mean is, an addictive substance in a stick packed with harmful chemicals is dangerous.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]I hate the smell of some perfumes but you don't see me trying to call for a ban on them. You learn to deal since people have free will. You are free to walk away from the smoker in most casesMerranvo

Can't really think of a case that someone would be "free to walk away," unless you're trying to imply that smokers only take up the "unimportant" areas. Unfortunately, they don't. Smokers DO affect the lives of non-smokers in unaviodable manners (outdoor "events", outdoor "lines", parking lots, the cluster right outside the restarant door such that the smoke flows inside everytime someone comes in... or in more crowded cities, those who smoke while they walk and they have to occupy YOUR crosswalk.

Why did you capitalize YOUR like its just your crosswalk. You can walk across the street if you are so anal about it.

[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"]Every week there is another article about a bunch of kids ending up the hospital because they had to many of the energy drinks... if you drink 5 - 6 in a day you could end up in the hospital... not that hard... I'll test it if you wish?Merranvo

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ns/us_news-life

Water is bad for you...

What is your argument here wicked? That any chemical, if taken in extreme dosages, can be fatal (except Nicotine of course, because it's uber!)?!?

Yes... My diet consists of straight Cigarettes and nothing else because I'm health and I don't wanna overdoes on your water.W1ckedGo0se

Sarcasm. No counter argument. Most interesting.

Why did you capitalize YOUR like its just your crosswalk. You can walk across the street if you are so anal about it.

testfactor888

Why do you fixate on the insigificant aspects of an argument.

Also, jay-walking is illegal.

This answer seems kinda obvious to me i don't know why your confused? personally i wouldn't care if people were drinking in the streets to an extent of course but, i see why alot others wouldSaintJimmmy

But to what extent? Who would determine how many "drunkards" could be hanging around? Either drinking in the street is legal, or it's illegal. Point is, you can't make it "a little illegal" because then you limit the effectiveness of which it can be enforced, and also end up with discrimination (if only 5 people can be drunk in one block, and you only arrest the (insert racial slur here))

Smoking doesn't inhibit your cognitive faculties.Theokhoth

Smoking in the street can give other people 2nd hand smoke, drinking doesnt effect anyone else.

Stanley09

You can drink alcohol on the street where I live but it has to be in a brown paper bag.