Why Did Frodo Leave?

At the end of RotK, Frodo, Gandalf, Bim-I mean, Bilbo, and the elf guy went on that boat to wherever, forever. Why? I just didn't really get it. Could someone explain the reasoning?

Read the books...chessmaster1989

That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. jaydough

That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. jaydough

[QUOTE="jaydough"] That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. mlisen

[QUOTE="jaydough"]That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. tktomo01

At the end of RotK, Frodo, Gandalf, Bim-I mean, Bilbo, and the elf guy went on that boat to wherever, forever. Why? I just didn't really get it. Could someone explain the reasoning?

tktomo01

Because he was too damaged by the wounds of war, and could never be healed so long as he remained in Middle-Earth. The wounds he received by the Witch King and the need he felt for the ring would never be gone so long as he remained in Middle Earth. Since he saved Middle Earth, the elves allowed him to travel to Valinor where he could be truly healed, even though mortals are not supposed to be allowed to travel there.

seriously read the books, long story short

he had carried the ring for ages and it not only affected his body it affected his mind, he had basically a mental disorder, and would always feel depressed.

also his wounds never healed like when he was stabbed on weathertop.

he needed to heal body and soul so he went to the un-dying lands

At the end of RotK, Frodo, Gandalf, Bim-I mean, Bilbo, and the elf guy went on that boat to wherever, forever. Why? I just didn't really get it. Could someone explain the reasoning?

Because he was too damaged by the wounds of war, and could never be healed so long as he remained in Middle-Earth. The wounds he received by the Witch King and the need he felt for the ring would never be gone so long as he remained in Middle Earth. Since he saved Middle Earth, the elves allowed him to travel to Valinor where he could be truly healed, even though mortals are not supposed to be allowed to travel there.

Because he became disgusted with his friends and left. Methinks Sam and Frodo had something going on that didn't turn out too well >_>trentman7

[QUOTE="trentman7"]Because he became disgusted with his friends and left. Methinks Sam and Frodo had something going on that didn't turn out too well >_>jaydough

That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. jaydough

"Everything we learned"? Hell, despite Sam's friendship, Frodo ALREADY basically turned into goddamned Gollum before the real Gollum bit his finger off. I don't see you complaining about how Frodo was trying to KEEP the ring, and how it was technically freaking GOLLUM who destroyed it.

The point is, Frodo has been ruined. He SUFFERS. Sam no longer NEEDS Frodo, but Frodo will suffer for the rest of his life as long as he remains in Middle Earth. In Valinor, he will find peace and healing, even though it means that Samwise will lose him forever. THAT was the price of war. Sure, Frodo never asked to be dragged into that ****, but MOST of the people in those movies/books who were slaughtered DIDN'T DESERVE IT. Frodo didn't ask for ANY of that, it was HIM who carried the heaviest burden, and yeah...he deserves a goddamn chance to be at peace after the part he played in saving the goddamn world. If Samwise is so sad that they'll never meet again, then tough cookies. A HELL of a lot of mothers ended up with their husbands and only children mutilated by goddamned orcs. So pardon me if I'm not terribly sad about how Sam loses Frodo. Yes, it IS sad that Frodo has still been "lost" due to the ravages of war. But let's keep things in perspective. At least Frodo gets to say goodbye before sailing off into the sunset, and at least Sam gets the reassurance that Frodo will spend the rest of his life HEALED from the **** that he had to suffer through.

[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="trentman7"]Because he became disgusted with his friends and left. Methinks Sam and Frodo had something going on that didn't turn out too well >_>tktomo01

[QUOTE="jaydough"]That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. tktomo01

No. He's not an elf, he's not immortal, and he will die WHEREVER he goes. He went to Valinor in order to be HEALED.

It's worth mentioning that in the Appendix at the end of Return of the King, it mentions that towards the end of his life, after Rosie passed away, Sam sailed to Valinor to see Frodo and co. one last time. He was allowed to go by the elves because he was a ringbearer, even if it was for just a short time.MAILER_DAEMON

Damn, I need to see the last one. The first two were freakin great. I decided tostart reading the books, but I just started the Hobbit. I got the nice big version with pictures and stuff. By the way, aren't they suppose to be making a Hobbit movie? **** would be so cash. DJ_Novakain

Last I heard PJ was still making it. The Hobbit is a great book. I last read it when I was in jail back in '04.

[QUOTE="DJ_Novakain"]Damn, I need to see the last one. The first two were freakin great. I decided tostart reading the books, but I just started the Hobbit. I got the nice big version with pictures and stuff. By the way, aren't they suppose to be making a Hobbit movie? **** would be so cash. jazzkrotch

Last I heard PJ was still making it. The Hobbit is a great book. I last read it when I was in jail back in '04.

Wow I don't even remember that part. I guess I need to go watch the films again. fastesttruck

He didn't just leave. The bloody elves abducted him!SolidSnake35

Frodo would have died an unnatural death if he stayed in Hobbitton. The Ring screwed up his mind and body from wearing it and carrying it around.

It's like moving to Arizona when you got bad allergies, since it's drier out there.

Frodo went to the Undying lands (the version of heaven in Lotr) due to him suffering mentally and physically from the burden of the Ring. It was his reward and the comforting he was given for completing his enormous task.

Going to the Undying Lands was granted to all Ring-bearers, that's why Sam also when he grew very old went to the Undying lands.

i thought the rings powers made you immortalmayforcebeyou

He lives forever, that's why. Sam and the other dwarve-freaks go as well but that didn't suit the ending for the film too well.clembo1990

That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. jaydough

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]He lives forever, that's why. Sam and the other dwarve-freaks go as well but that didn't suit the ending for the film too well.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]He lives forever, that's why. Sam and the other dwarve-freaks go as well but that didn't suit the ending for the film too well.clembo1990

Just a clarification here (not necessary - I'm just a Tolkien nerd :P) Up until the Destruction of Numenor, Arda was flat; yeah that's right, flat. After the destruction of Numenor though, Iluvatar interfered and separated Aman from Middle Earth, creating two separate spheres/globes. The two globes afterwards were only connected with a magic gateway only accessible by elves and Ring-bearers afterwards. :)

Man... You guys make me feel horrible for not being able to get through the first book...effthat

tolkien makes the grey havens out to be almost a sort of heaven. getting a nice retirement home was the elves way of saying "thanks for not ****ing things up too badly". and yes, as others have said, the ring left its mark on him.

sam is also changed by the journey. he gained the confidence to seek out his own desires (namely, a family life with rosie). as awkwardly homo-erotic as parts of lotr was ( :P ), frodo just wasnt offering the same goods as that mini-vixen rosie. sam was quite content with his family life.

both characters follow victor turner's 3 stages of a pilgrimage perfectly. they leave their community, the endure a state of limenality, and they return to their community but dont quite fit back the same way. that is to say, dont think that frodo and sam's desires are the same at the end of the tale as they were at the beginning.

Its also worth noting that on top of the mental wounds from the ring, the stab on Weathertop and the general fatigue from his journey, Frodo also retained annual sickness from his encounter with Shelob.-Misanthropic-