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#51 MetalGear_Ninty
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[QUOTE="-Misanthropic-"]Its also worth noting that on top of the mental wounds from the ring, the stab on Weathertop and the general fatigue from his journey, Frodo also retained annual sickness from his encounter with Shelob.MetalGear_Ninty
Annual sickness... at first I actually misread that for something else. :P

Hasn't anybody got it yet? The sentence makes perfect sense with those other words in it as well. :P
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#52 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="-Misanthropic-"]Its also worth noting that on top of the mental wounds from the ring, the stab on Weathertop and the general fatigue from his journey, Frodo also retained annual sickness from his encounter with Shelob.MetalGear_Ninty
Annual sickness... at first I actually misread that for something else. :P

Hasn't anybody got it yet? The sentence makes perfect sense with those other words in it as well. :P

Yeah, I got it. I would comment on this but I found it too obvious.

The homosexual stuff concerning Frodo and Sam seem to be very interesting to some :P (although they are not true). And they never broke up! Allright?!?!?! :evil:

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#53 Nkemjo
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"][QUOTE="jaydough"]That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. MrGeezer

He went to be immortal? How does he do that, he is no elf?

No. He's not an elf, he's not immortal, and he will die WHEREVER he goes. He went to Valinor in order to be HEALED.

Actually he will not die in the undying lands(where they sailed to and where the first elves came from, read silmarillion).

And Frodo did not feel the ring anymore(it had been destroyed and in doing so it's grip on him was gone) but he did still have the wound from the black riders balde which couldn't be fully healed. Also he was depressed all the time because he couldn't destroy the ring when he had the chance and he felt he would have let the whole world have been destroyed. 1 other thing it is believed that sam sailed into the west after the death of his wife as all ring bearers had this right(he carried the ring for a short while when he believed frodo to be dead.)

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#54 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="tktomo01"]He went to be immortal? How does he do that, he is no elf?Nkemjo

No. He's not an elf, he's not immortal, and he will die WHEREVER he goes. He went to Valinor in order to be HEALED.

Actually he will not die in the undying lands(where they sailed to and where the first elves came from, read silmarillion).

And Frodo did not feel the ring anymore(it had been destroyed and in doing so it's grip on him was gone) but he did still have the wound from the black riders balde which couldn't be fully healed. Also he was depressed all the time because he couldn't destroy the ring when he had the chance and he felt he would have let the whole world have been destroyed. 1 other thing it is believed that sam sailed into the west after the death of his wife as all ring bearers had this right(he carried the ring for a short while when he believed frodo to be dead.)

If you read the Silmarillion carefully Tolkien says that immortality is a gift granted only to the First Born; the Elves. Frodo wouldn't live eternally in Valinor. Him going there only means that because of his mental and phsyical struggle due to the feat of carrying and destroying the One Ring, the Valar allowed him (and then Sam) to travel in Valinor to live the rest of their mortal lives peacefully.
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#55 Nkemjo
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[QUOTE="Nkemjo"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

No. He's not an elf, he's not immortal, and he will die WHEREVER he goes. He went to Valinor in order to be HEALED.

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Actually he will not die in the undying lands(where they sailed to and where the first elves came from, read silmarillion).

And Frodo did not feel the ring anymore(it had been destroyed and in doing so it's grip on him was gone) but he did still have the wound from the black riders balde which couldn't be fully healed. Also he was depressed all the time because he couldn't destroy the ring when he had the chance and he felt he would have let the whole world have been destroyed. 1 other thing it is believed that sam sailed into the west after the death of his wife as all ring bearers had this right(he carried the ring for a short while when he believed frodo to be dead.)

If you read the Silmarillion carefully Tolkien says that immortality is a gift granted only to the First Born; the Elves. Frodo wouldn't live eternally in Valinor. Him going there only means that because of his mental and phsyical struggle due to the feat of carrying and destroying the One Ring, the Valar allowed him (and then Sam) to travel in Valinor to live the rest of their mortal lives peacefully.

Yeah my bad :P Aman wasn't the final resting place for mortals.

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#56 tktomo01
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OK, now I'm just confused. I only read the first and the second (The Hobbit and The Fellowship). Apparently I have to reread and read the entire series now.
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#57 Teenaged
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OK, now I'm just confused. I only read the first and the second (The Hobbit and The Fellowship). Apparently I have to reread and read the entire series now.tktomo01
I'd suggest you read the Silmarillion but it is hard to read. It's full of names, genealogies etc, much like the Bible but with much more interest and sense in it. Venture in it if you want but Idk if you'll enjoy it... I liked it very much though. :)
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#58 LoG-Sacrament
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[QUOTE="tktomo01"]OK, now I'm just confused. I only read the first and the second (The Hobbit and The Fellowship). Apparently I have to reread and read the entire series now.Teenaged
I'd suggest you read the Silmarillion but it is hard to read. It's full of names, genealogies etc, much like the Bible but with much more interest and sense in it. Venture in it if you want but Idk if you'll enjoy it... I liked it very much though. :)

i didnt like the silmarillion much. however, i was glad i read it when i started on children of hurin (which is my favorite tolkien novel).
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="tktomo01"]OK, now I'm just confused. I only read the first and the second (The Hobbit and The Fellowship). Apparently I have to reread and read the entire series now.LoG-Sacrament
I'd suggest you read the Silmarillion but it is hard to read. It's full of names, genealogies etc, much like the Bible but with much more interest and sense in it. Venture in it if you want but Idk if you'll enjoy it... I liked it very much though. :)

i didnt like the silmarillion much. however, i was glad i read it when i started on children of hurin (which is my favorite tolkien novel).

To tell you the truth I haven't read the Children of Hurin yet, although I have it. I will some of these days. They say it's actually some stories of Silmarillion compiled together... is that right?
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#60 LoG-Sacrament
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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I'd suggest you read the Silmarillion but it is hard to read. It's full of names, genealogies etc, much like the Bible but with much more interest and sense in it. Venture in it if you want but Idk if you'll enjoy it... I liked it very much though. :)Teenaged
i didnt like the silmarillion much. however, i was glad i read it when i started on children of hurin (which is my favorite tolkien novel).

To tell you the truth I haven't read the Children of Hurin yet, although I have it. I will some of these days. They say it's actually some stories of Silmarillion compiled together... is that right?

i got about 3/4 through the silmarillion before i put it down. so there could be some later tales in it that i never got to. however, they seemed to only reference the silmarillion heavily. its all one continuous narrative, so its structured very differently.
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#61 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] i didnt like the silmarillion much. however, i was glad i read it when i started on children of hurin (which is my favorite tolkien novel).LoG-Sacrament
To tell you the truth I haven't read the Children of Hurin yet, although I have it. I will some of these days. They say it's actually some stories of Silmarillion compiled together... is that right?

i got about 3/4 through the silmarillion before i put it down. so there could be some later tales in it that i never got to. however, they seemed to only reference the silmarillion heavily. its all one continuous narrative, so its structured very differently.

I always wondered if there was unpublished material in The Children of Hurin, because pretty much everything in the Silmarillion is the final version of what Tolkien managed to put together before he passed away. One thing is for sure though: the Children of Hurin gave John Howe a wonderful opportunity to make some more amazing paintings of Middle Earth... especially the cover with the warrior.
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#62 LoG-Sacrament
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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]To tell you the truth I haven't read the Children of Hurin yet, although I have it. I will some of these days. They say it's actually some stories of Silmarillion compiled together... is that right?Teenaged
i got about 3/4 through the silmarillion before i put it down. so there could be some later tales in it that i never got to. however, they seemed to only reference the silmarillion heavily. its all one continuous narrative, so its structured very differently.

I always wondered if there was unpublished material in The Children of Hurin, because pretty much everything in the Silmarillion is the final version of what Tolkien managed to put together before he passed away. One thing is for sure though: the Children of Hurin gave John Howe a wonderful opportunity to make some more amazing paintings of Middle Earth... especially the cover with the warrior.

tolkien had been working on it for a long time. he just dropped it for a while and did some other projects. he later went back and did a new draft. it was this draft that was editted and pieced together to be published.
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#63 Cantius
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[QUOTE="mlisen"][QUOTE="jaydough"] That really ****ing pissed me off. He left Sam to become immortal. After the entire Arwen story, and the hardships they've faced, he left. Wasn't the entire movie about friendship? So you're essentially taking everything you've learned in the movie, and throwing it out the window. jaydough
But he was bored man, what else could you expect him to do? Sam was kind of lame, so he left to do some wicked awesome stuff.

He could've taken the gang (But leave behind Merry; He's a party pooper) to the misty mountains or something, have more adventures, etc.

Dude, it's just a BOOK.