Why Do Atheist Care So Much About...

So wait, are there people really trying to argue that God exists? It's pointless, just stop. It's completely faith based. I personally do believe in God. But there is no backing or proof that God does in fact exist. So there is really no point in trying to argue to someone that God does exist, but on the other hand, if they can scientifically theorize that things like alternate universes exist, is it really completely out of question that there may be a God, not really. And just because you are religious or not does not mean that you are more likely to be educated, some of the most intelligent people of all time were religious. Look at people like Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, and many others. Although I do have to say that when it comes to people talking trash, it's usually Christians, and to a disgusting extent. For a religion that is supposedly based on Love it's really backwards. Things that Christians say that piss me off include

1. God hates gays ( actually they are called homosexuals and they are first and foremost people, how can you pass off judgement on someone that has no control over their feelings)

2. Birth Control is wrong ( I find this especially ironic seeing as how they oppose abortion so much, you do realize that Birth Control prevents abortion)

3. Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus ( last I checked I wasn't the one that nailed him to a cross, oh and technically it was the Romans)

So wait, are there people really trying to argue that God exists? It's pointless, just stop. It's completely faith based. I personally do believe in God. But there is no backing or proof that God does in fact exist. So there is really no point in trying to argue to someone that God does exist, but on the other hand, if they can scientifically theorize that things like alternate universes exist, is it really completely out of question that there may be a God, not really. And just because you are religious or not does not mean that you are more likely to be educated, some of the most intelligent people of all time were religious. Look at people like Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, and many others. Although I do have to say that when it comes to people talking trash, it's usually Christians, and to a disgusting extent. For a religion that is supposedly based on Love it's really backwards. Things that Christians say that piss me off include

1. God hates gays ( actually they are called homosexuals and they are first and foremost people, how can you pass off judgement on someone that has no control over their feelings)

2. Birth Control is wrong ( I find this especially ironic seeing as how they oppose abortion so much, you do realize that Birth Control prevents abortion)

3. Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus ( last I checked I wasn't the one that nailed him to a cross, oh and technically it was the Romans)

KillSwitch740

That is perhaps the most damning support of Christianity I have seen in a week.

Still, nice to see some tolerant, liberal Christianity.

I know this is likely to start all out war but whatever. I'm not trying to start a faith debate on which is right or wrong I'm just trying to understand the mind set.

Q: Why do Atheist talk so much trash towards Christains. Why do you care?nirvana563

[QUOTE="nirvana563"]I know this is likely to start all out war but whatever. I'm not trying to start a faith debate on which is right or wrong I'm just trying to understand the mind set.

Q: Why do Atheist talk so much trash towards Christains. Why do you care?Red_sox_fans

Why can't you just live and let live? If you don't want to argue religion, don't do so.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

It's not a belief in the non-existence, it's a non-belief in the existence. ;)

Funky_Llama

According to my definitions, its how i said it. Any way, I don't really want to argue the definition of Atheism.

According to Wikipedia, you're both right; there's weak atheism - Luke's definition - and strong atheism - your definition.

To be fair, I do tend to assert the latter because of the burden of proof issue.

[QUOTE="KillSwitch740"]

So wait, are there people really trying to argue that God exists? It's pointless, just stop. It's completely faith based. I personally do believe in God. But there is no backing or proof that God does in fact exist. So there is really no point in trying to argue to someone that God does exist, but on the other hand, if they can scientifically theorize that things like alternate universes exist, is it really completely out of question that there may be a God, not really. And just because you are religious or not does not mean that you are more likely to be educated, some of the most intelligent people of all time were religious. Look at people like Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, and many others. Although I do have to say that when it comes to people talking trash, it's usually Christians, and to a disgusting extent. For a religion that is supposedly based on Love it's really backwards. Things that Christians say that piss me off include

1. God hates gays ( actually they are called homosexuals and they are first and foremost people, how can you pass off judgement on someone that has no control over their feelings)

2. Birth Control is wrong ( I find this especially ironic seeing as how they oppose abortion so much, you do realize that Birth Control prevents abortion)

3. Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus ( last I checked I wasn't the one that nailed him to a cross, oh and technically it was the Romans)

Funky_Llama

That is perhaps the most damning support of Christianity I have seen in a week.

Still, nice to see some tolerant, liberal Christianity.

Wait a minute....

I spent the last 3 hours trying to tell you these points I bolded, yet you kept ignoring me, but the second the words don't come from me they make perfect sense? It is not just me you tend to ignore, you do the same thing to a few other Christians on this board. It seems like you are an atheist just to simply get a rise out of Christians.:?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="KillSwitch740"]

So wait, are there people really trying to argue that God exists? It's pointless, just stop. It's completely faith based. I personally do believe in God. But there is no backing or proof that God does in fact exist. So there is really no point in trying to argue to someone that God does exist, but on the other hand, if they can scientifically theorize that things like alternate universes exist, is it really completely out of question that there may be a God, not really. And just because you are religious or not does not mean that you are more likely to be educated, some of the most intelligent people of all time were religious. Look at people like Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk, and many others. Although I do have to say that when it comes to people talking trash, it's usually Christians, and to a disgusting extent. For a religion that is supposedly based on Love it's really backwards. Things that Christians say that piss me off include

1. God hates gays ( actually they are called homosexuals and they are first and foremost people, how can you pass off judgement on someone that has no control over their feelings)

2. Birth Control is wrong ( I find this especially ironic seeing as how they oppose abortion so much, you do realize that Birth Control prevents abortion)

3. Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus ( last I checked I wasn't the one that nailed him to a cross, oh and technically it was the Romans)

FatMan1945

That is perhaps the most damning support of Christianity I have seen in a week.

Still, nice to see some tolerant, liberal Christianity.

Wait a minute....

I spent the last 3 hours trying to tell you these points I bolded, yet you kept ignoring me, but the second the words don't come from me they make perfect sense? It is not just me you tend to ignore, you do the same thing to a few other Christians on this board. It seems like you are an atheist just to simply get a rise out of Christians.:?

I agree with his three points at the end there. Nothing else. The first paragraph was ridiculous, flawed, and just wrong. But I was about to eat lunch, and didn't have the time to disprove his arguments. Both of the points you bolded are wrong, the first because there are problems with theism on which basis it can be criticised, and the second because it does mean you are more likely to be educated (and also - a minor point - Einstein was an atheist)

Now, think through what you are accusing me of at the end there. You are suggesting that I actually believe in God, and thus, from my point of view, am condemning myself to eternal torment by denouncing him, just so I can argue with my fellow Christians. Please. That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever seen.

Now, think through what you are accusing me of at the end there. You are suggesting that I actually believe in God, and thus, from my point of view, am condemning myself to eternal torment by denouncing him, just so I can argue with my fellow Christians. Please. That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever seen.

Funky_Llama

As much as I want your babies, he didn't infer that. Read it again.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Now, think through what you are accusing me of at the end there. You are suggesting that I actually believe in God, and thus, from my point of view, am condemning myself to eternal torment by denouncing him, just so I can argue with my fellow Christians. Please. That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever seen.

luke1889

As much as I want your babies, he didn't infer that. Read it again.

Hmm... but otherwise, he's suggesting that that's my reason to not believe in God, which is even more ridiculous. I don't what he meant by it. Either way, it was really stupid.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="FatMan1945"][QUOTE="ConfessiBear"][QUOTE="nirvana563"][QUOTE="ConfessiBear"]

Atheists talk so much trash against Christians because they can't understand how a fellow human being can be so ignorant and deluded.

"Hate" does not usually play a factor, but a natural love for humanity does.

FatMan1945

They can't understand having a different opinion?

No self-respecting human being likes to see their fellow brethren going down a path that is frivolous or counter-productive to the human race, and that is why Atheists often feel so strongly about such matters.

No self-respecting human being likes to see their fellow man going down a path of sin and end up burning in hell for eternity. That is why Christians often feel so strongly about such matters.

See, you have the exact same mentality as a hardcore christian does.And Religion has done a lot of good for this world. It also has caused a lot of destruction, but so has atheism.

the difference is that athiests use LOGIC. christians choose to believe that there is a man in the sky who made us out of mud and made the entire universe out of nothing..

i mean think of it, when the whole world was pagan, they used gods to explain things they didn't know about. such as tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, etc. religion was a way for people to create explanations for things they couldn't. even now today many people believe that a man in the sky created the universe in 7 days because we have no scientific proof as to how the universe was created. discover that, and most religions will fall.

Are you saying that, as a christian, I am illogical? Are you saying my parents and grandparents are illogical also? There is a reason why millions of people are still christian. It goes way deeper than the bible will ever tell you. It is a feeling you get, a calmness in your soul. a warm touch to your heart that makes you know that there is a God.

I believe in Evolution and I am starting to believe in the big bang theory also, yet I am still a christian. Not everybody who is religious believes that the earth is only 6000 years old, or that the world was created in 7 days. Alot of us are COMPLETELY rational about life, yet, unlike atheists, we accept the fact that there is more to this existence than we will ever know.

yes, they and you are illogical. and i can explain the reason millions of people are christian. simple. the roman empire. fear is a much more powerful tool than true belief. if christianity was not honestly based on scare tactics it would never have grown so much, because leaders wouldn't be able to exploit it to hold power. same thing with islam. any religion which has scare tactics is merely a farce, a true religion would have you loving their god because he created the world and such, not because he'll damn you to hell if you don't.

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

helium_flash

That's not always true. Some hardcore Christians are the same way.

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Now, think through what you are accusing me of at the end there. You are suggesting that I actually believe in God, and thus, from my point of view, am condemning myself to eternal torment by denouncing him, just so I can argue with my fellow Christians. Please. That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever seen.

Funky_Llama

As much as I want your babies, he didn't infer that. Read it again.

Hmm... but otherwise, he's suggesting that that's my reason to not believe in God, which is even more ridiculous. I don't what he meant by it. Either way, it was really stupid.

Yes, you're right. Either way, it is ridiculous.

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

helium_flash

All atheists? Every one of them? I'm pretty certain about my beliefs, but if someone gave proof of God's existence, I'd abandon atheism just like that.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

-Austin-

That's not always true. Some hardcore Christians are the same way.

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

helium_flash

theists are alot more arogant, they just start quoting the bible and ignoring the evidence.... it's sorta like a fan boy really

Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.C_Town_Soul

Yes because

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.xSIZEMATTER

Yes because

I counter.

Anyway seriously now, there are lots of people who belive that there could be infinate generations of the universe, each having collapsed under it's own gravity and so energy always existed. Energy can change to mass so mass may have always existed it may have just been in the form of energy then it spontaneusly changed to mass for some reason which would mean it increased in mass by an infernate number of times and so there was the big bang. I'm sure someone who understands quantom physics can explain in more detail.

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.xSIZEMATTER

Yes because

Oh, what a flawless argument. I don't know how anyone could ever refute such an iron-clad statement.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.markop2003

Yes because

I counter.

Anyway seriously now, there are lots of people who belive that there could be infinate generations of the universe, each having collapsed under it's own gravity and so energy always existed. Energy can change to mass so mass may have always existed it may have just been in the form of energy then it spontaneusly changed to mass for some reason which would mean it increased in mass by an infernate number of times and so there was the big bang. I'm sure someone who understands quantom physics can explain in more detail.

Also, the Christianity one was more ridiculous, therefore God does not exist. My logic is undeniable.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.Lockedge

Yes because

Oh, what a flawless argument. I don't know how anyone could ever refute such an iron-clad statement.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.markop2003

Yes because

I counter.

Anyway seriously now, there are lots of people who belive that there could be infinate generations of the universe, each having collapsed under it's own gravity and so energy always existed. Energy can change to mass so mass may have always existed it may have just been in the form of energy then it spontaneusly changed to mass for some reason which would mean it increased in mass by an infernate number of times and so there was the big bang. I'm sure someone who understands quantom physics can explain in more detail.

LOL I knew that would piss some people off. :lol: :P

Not pissed off. More amused than anything :P The "nothing" argument is something I deal with every time I go to my friend's house and his dad is feeling like a religious debate(while we're playing CoD4 no less...I'm sure it's a tactic to divert my attention).

It's about as funny a statement as when those sports stars or musicians thank god or jesus for them winning whatever they won. yeah, because Jesus is a huge Carrie Underwood/ Boston Celtics fan. :P

i'm an atheist and I admit I enjoy talking trash to people.But I only do it when they make some stupid claims about the power of god or are being overly religious.Harshvardhan666

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

markop2003

theists are alot more arogant, they just start quoting the bible and ignoring the evidence.... it's sorta like a fan boy really

Not true. I have never insulted anyone's beliefs. Yet I get insulted here all the time. Seems you see what you want to see...as for quoting the Bible...only when it's quoted to me...I will finish the context.

[QUOTE="markop2003"][QUOTE="helium_flash"]

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

LJS9502_basic

theists are alot more arogant, they just start quoting the bible and ignoring the evidence.... it's sorta like a fan boy really

Not true. I have never insulted anyone's beliefs. Yet I get insulted here all the time. Seems you see what you want to see...as for quoting the Bible...only when it's quoted to me...I will finish the context.

i guess i'm just talking about the ones that tend to start and keep the religous threads alive

I know this is likely to start all out war but whatever. I'm not trying to start a faith debate on which is right or wrong I'm just trying to understand the mind set.

Q: Why do Atheist talk so much trash towards Christians. Why do you care?nirvana563

Lets be honest people.

I'm an agnostic-atheist, but it is obvious that Atheists are much more condencending and talk much more trash about Christians than visa-versa. Atheists are very arrogant and close-minded once they have made up their mind.

helium_flash

Of course, I am not saying that I have never met a religious person who is like that. It just seems the athiests I have met are much more... aggressive with their beliefs than the religious people I know.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"][QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.markop2003

*cliche anti-Atheism pic*

The true counter...

[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"]Because believing in god is just as childish as believing in the tooth fairy, santa clause, and the easter bunny.xSIZEMATTER

Yes because

When it comes to highly debateable matters of opinion, the 'I am right, everyone else is wrong' attitude is extremely unpopular to most people, unless of course it conforms to what they themselves believe. That's why the two sides are always at each other's throat, so to speak.pianist

Totally wrong, the majority affects the minority. Faith based initiatives are currently a pet project of the current US administration, and it's very annoying. Also, Christians hold back funding for science. That is my reason for the way I feel about some Christians, most are nice and cool but some just want to force their crazy religion on others.

[QUOTE="pianist"]When it comes to highly debateable matters of opinion, the 'I am right, everyone else is wrong' attitude is extremely unpopular to most people, unless of course it conforms to what they themselves believe. That's why the two sides are always at each other's throat, so to speak.SimpJee

Totally wrong, the majority affects the minority. Faith based initiatives are currently a pet project of the current US administration, and it's very annoying. Also, Christians hold back funding for science. That is my reason for the way I feel about some Christians, most are nice and cool but some just want to force their crazy religion on others.

I don't see how this affects what I said. The fact that faith based initiatives are passed by a majority is still very much in line with the "I'm right, everybody else is wrong" mentality - to the point where one group's ideals are codified into law.

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

[QUOTE="pianist"]When it comes to highly debateable matters of opinion, the 'I am right, everyone else is wrong' attitude is extremely unpopular to most people, unless of course it conforms to what they themselves believe. That's why the two sides are always at each other's throat, so to speak.pianist

Totally wrong, the majority affects the minority. Faith based initiatives are currently a pet project of the current US administration, and it's very annoying. Also, Christians hold back funding for science. That is my reason for the way I feel about some Christians, most are nice and cool but some just want to force their crazy religion on others.

I don't see how this affects what I said. The fact that faith based initiatives are passed by a majority is still very much in line with the "I'm right, everybody else is wrong" mentality - to the point where one group's ideals are codified into law.

Yeah you're right, sorry.

Has anyone mentioned Agnostics yet?! They're the ones who think they are above it all and look down on both :P :wink:

Yeah you're right, sorry.

Has anyone mentioned Agnostics yet?! They're the ones who think they are above it all and look down on both :P :wink:

SimpJee

Some do. But I'm not one of them. In every group you'll have plenty of individuals who just don't care what other people believe. I don't agree with the notion that certain religious beliefs should be enforced on others, though. And free worship must be allowed, so long as it does not compromise the rights of people who believe differently. So I wouldn't, for instance, agree with the notion that homosexuality should be outlawed because it compromises a Christian's 'right' to believe that homosexuality is wrong (a pathetically flawed argument that has been used here before).

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]

Yeah you're right, sorry.

Has anyone mentioned Agnostics yet?! They're the ones who think they are above it all and look down on both :P :wink:

pianist

Some do. But I'm not one of them. In every group you'll have plenty of individuals who just don't care what other people believe. I don't agree with the notion that certain religious beliefs should be enforced on others, though. And free worship must be allowed, so long as it does not compromise the rights of people who believe differently. So I wouldn't, for instance, agree with the notion that homosexuality should be outlawed because it compromises a Christian's 'right' to believe that homosexuality is wrong (a pathetically flawed argument that has been used here before).

I didn't mean to say you were one of those people, but I agree with you. I would totally get off Christian's back if they just left everyone else alone, but it's just not in their nature (they believe they must save everyone, etc). Also, religious people like Muslims in these other countries will be the end of us all. Believing they should start the Apocalypse because their book tells them it will happen now, it's another reason for my animosity against religion. It stimulates craziness, I don't care if it's only a few, those few could kill us all.

because atheists despise happiness, of coursequiglythegreat

One doesn't have to be religious in order to be happy.

Counter-point: Why do you care that we care?

LAZZOR

Thus is your answer. When two dualistic ideas, such as theism/atheism, capitalism/communism, or isolationism/globalization, are debated, the people that don't wish to listen to reason and let people believe what they wish to believe go on the offensive and, more often than not, conflict arises and perpetuates because neither side of bigoted fools is willing to back down. The few sensible people, who are willing to do battle with both sides when fallacies arise, are often the ones who should be listened to because they advocate peace while dogmatists advocate war.

Q: Why do you generalize a large group of people?

[QUOTE="FatMan1945"]

Are you saying that, as a christian, I am illogical? Are you saying my parents and grandparents are illogical also? There is a reason why millions of people are still christian. It goes way deeper than the bible will ever tell you. It is a feeling you get, a calmness in your soul. a warm touch to your heart that makes you know that there is a God.

I believe in Evolution and I am starting to believe in the big bang theory also, yet I am still a christian. Not everybody who is religious believes that the earth is only 6000 years old, or that the world was created in 7 days. Alot of us are COMPLETELY rational about life, yet, unlike atheists, we accept the fact that there is more to this existence than we will ever know.

mistervengeance

yes, they and you are illogical. and i can explain the reason millions of people are christian. simple. the roman empire. fear is a much more powerful tool than true belief. if christianity was not honestly based on scare tactics it would never have grown so much, because leaders wouldn't be able to exploit it to hold power. same thing with islam. any religion which has scare tactics is merely a farce, a true religion would have you loving their god because he created the world and such, not because he'll damn you to hell if you don't.

Neither I, nor ANYBODY else I know is Christian because of fear. I have never used scare tactics, nor has scare tactics been used on me. I do not even believe in a hell. Am I still irrational? I worship God because of all the great things he has done for me and the fact that he gave us all a chance to live in this miraculous, amazing world.

They are worse then Satan. Satan at least believes in God.

GamePrincess88

What if there was a morally righteous person who never did anything bad his whole life that didn't believe in God? Is disbelief in God a worser sin than rape and murder?