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#1 Franklinstein
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War is a wasteful atrocious monstrosity and it is a blemish on the greatness of human intellect.

People say that the world is not a safe place and that people who think the way I do are hippies. That is hardly the whole truth though, because there are things that those same people don't realize. By agreeing that there is a need for war, you are insuring its continuance. The only way peace will ever be a reality is not through war.

Diplomacy could easily fix the problems of our global society. People that "need" to have war upon them are not crazy, or fanatical, as the stereotype suggests. They are people that believe they are fighting for something worth dying for, just like our soldiers. But the problem is that both sides have been tricked into believing that either of them have to die. Anyone who disagrees with me at this point probably will not have their minds changed, but I urge you still to consider this.

During a war, lots of people profit, greatly. I think the conservative number for the increase in profits is somewhere around 300 % for businesses that profit on war, but some businesses have been known to make over 900% more during war, compared to peace time. The numbers are not important though, using lots of numbers and statistics are a tactic that would detract from the message in this topic. The important concept to realize is that steel factories, banks, oil companies, and many others, profit from war. This is common knowledge, I don't feel like I need to prove it, but I will if necessary.

Knowing that these types of companies directly benefit from war, you've got to ask yourself, which companies are the most powerful(and rich) in the world?

So, we come to the conclusion that the most powerful companies in the world are the ones that directly benefit from the conditions that exist in war. Some companies that benefit are innocent, I believe, but I also believe that other's do not have the interests of humanity in mind, but instead the interests of personal wealth.

It's ironic that that war makes some people so much money because for most people it brings loss. And I don't just mean loss of life, but also destruction and waste of property, land, families, communities, natural resources, fuel, and labor, to name a few things. It's because the person who foots the bill for a war is the nation who is willing to go to war. The government pays the steel companies for ammunitions, and the oil companies, for the fuel, and if it is a government that is not in surplus(like ours), it is financed by big banks, the government will have to pay all of these loans back, of course, which results in higher taxes for tax payers.

Most people don't realize this, but a government can run perfectly fine without tax money, ours survived without taxes right up until the Civil War. It's a waste, and just because the world isn't a safe place doesn't mean we should make it more dangerous.

If you still believe that war is necessary, then I have one more point to bring up.

To properly illustrate this point, I need to recall the events of the 1980's and the American military assistance of the mujahideen(some of whom became Taliban members).

In the 1980's American politician's thought of a way to bankrupt the Russian economy and "win" the Cold War. The Russian government invaded Afghanistan in the early 1980's, American politicians secretly gave weapons and aid to mujahideen soldiers. Mujahideen roughly translates into holy warrior, or someone on jihad. And that is exactly what these people were, the Russians invaded them, completely unprovoked, these religious people were fighting invaders of their country, for their own safety. We equipped a lot of them with rocket launchers that were highly capable of shooting down Russian helicopters, and we trained these people how to use these weapons. We were not fighting a war against Russia, we were providing weapons to the people who were fighting a war against Russia(we did the same thing right before entering WWII). Well, long story short, the mujahideen shot down enough Russian helicopters over the ten year occupancy that Russia decided to pull out.

After Russia pulled out of Afghanistan, we did too. We left without helping them rebuild roads, or buildings, or homes, or anything. Our politicians were in a tight spot, because this operation was secretive, and if Russia found out, the war might not be a cold one anymore, therefore they were not able to justify to the American people the need to finance the rebuilding of a country destroyed by Russia.

Today, a good majority of the people that hate us enough to want to kill us, and the people that we kill, were born and grew up during this ten year period of war. If you're born into a society that is at war, you know little else. And combined with a tool as powerful as religion, and the fact that the only chance at education is from a religious school, the conditions start to appear that breed holy warriors. These people began to think that blowing themselves up for the glory of Allah is a noble act(just as our soldiers believe that dying while fighting terrorism is a noble act).

Anyway, I'm getting off track here, the last point I'm making is that war creates an environment that produces soldiers. Our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan have undoubtedly created the environment for a lot of people to hate America in the future. We see it as us doing the right thing, but a lot of them see it as us invading their country, and forcing western style democracy onto them. I give credit where it is due, we are doing much closer to the right thing today, we build roads, and buildings and homes, and I am absolutely one hundred percent proud of that. But how will we ever convince a son that we orphaned that we are a good people that is trying to help him(even if that isn't exactly a fair way to say it, the child who has lost a father to war will not have a rational mindset, his emotions will drive him, not his intellect)?

War is a business. We hated the Germans during WWII, now they're our friends. In 1904 we were allies with Japan, during WWII, we weren't, and now we are again. Great Britian was our enemy during the Revolution and the war of 1812, but now we have no closer ally. Propaganda will make any people believe that the enemy is somehow less than human, or unintelligent, but it's not true. We're business partners with Germany, Japan, and Great Britian now, THAT'S why we don't hate them anymore, not because they are somehow less evil, or more intelligent, or better, or worse, it's all just business.

I rest my case, I'm willing to debate this as much as anyone would like. And I'll admit that I'm wrong if you point out a hole in my logic.


P.S, sorry for the text wall.

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war is MANLY ... and war is profit (for some)

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Sometimes words just won't work and violence is necessary to stop tyrants or bad people from harming innocents.

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Because people are stupid , no detailed explanation needed .
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War occurs because it is human nature to be in conflict. Further beyond that war occurs, not because of business, but because wars are undertaken by state actors in order to further their own self interest. War never makes us a profit or helps the economy, frankly. WWI drove Britain, France, and Germany into deep economic holes. The Seven Years War (French and Indian War) drove the British to tax the colonies and caused the American Revolution. It's easy to say "omg war makes people rich!" but on a whole, wars have made entire states poor and cause further pain and suffering. There has never been a war undertaken solely for the purpose to enriching a group or state actor, simply because it's impossible to start a conflict and come out with some sort of economic "profit."
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Profit Control Power
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#7 ManKelly
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Not a big fan of Anti flag but this seems to be very true.

Anti-Flag anatomy of your enemy.

10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war:
Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives.
It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated.
We need to see their tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth.

First step: create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you.

Second step: be sure the enemy you have chosen is nothing like you.
Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits
fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job,
they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing!

Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them
with all disseminated information.

Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party's information
this can be done through state run media.
Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party's information.
Therefore all for-profit media becomes state-run.

Fifth step: show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different.
Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine.

[Chorus:]
THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY. THIS IS HOW TO START A WAR.
THIS IS HOW TO CREATE AN ENEMY.

Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party.
Create an "Us versus Them" mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between.
One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor.

Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions.
This can be achieved by slogans such as "freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom."
This can also be achieved by the use of flags.

Eighth step: Align all actions with the dominant deity.
It is very effective to use terms like, "It is god's will" or "god bless our nation."

Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers
have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones.
Make it clear that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill.

Tenth step: Create and atmosphere of fear, and instability
and then offer the ruling party as the only solutions to comfort the public's fears.
Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear.

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#8 Barbariser
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Well, of course there won't be "war" if people all behave like a nice dandy hive mind and cooperate as well as they can, completely disregarding egotistical desires. The reality is that humans don't do that, and if they won't do that then war is going to be an ever-present and ever-needed aspect of the world.

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This quote should some it up it is easily my favorite "It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be.... War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god." - Blood Meridian
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Because people are stupid , no detailed explanation needed .TaoJeetKuneDo
the world revolves around 2 things : Power & Control .... it's normal that powerfull countries "enslave" weak countries with a corrupt goverment
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war, when some political figure decides he does not want to trade any more
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#13 Palantas
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It is the natural state of the universe for living things to be in conflict. Humans are smarter than other living things, so they can create conflict in a more organized fashion.

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War is a business.

Franklinstein

War has existed long before the first human civilization had developed, hell it existed long before monkeys evolved into man.

After Russia pulled out of Afghanistan, we did too. We left without helping them rebuild roads, or buildings, or homes, or anything.

Franklinstein

Afghanistan had infrastructure to begin with?

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

War is a business.

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War has existed long before the first human civilization had developed, hell it existed long before monkeys evolved into man.

After Russia pulled out of Afghanistan, we did too. We left without helping them rebuild roads, or buildings, or homes, or anything.

Franklinstein

Afghanistan had infrastructure to begin with?

it was the land of milk and honey before the white man showed up

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Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

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Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

MgamerBD

defending your self and attacking others is not the same thing. do you think hittler would have came to power if it were not for how they were treated post WWI

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tl;dr

but without war we wouldn't have computers technology or any sort of civilisation. war is the key factor which has led to human success

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Why do people insist that war is bad. With no natural predators, maybe war is nature's way of culling the numbers a little. That and disease and famine and pestilence.

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Its our natural inclination.

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Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

MgamerBD

War isn't necessary though. Even the evil Nazi regime could have been overpowered if the German nation would have stood up to their war profiting companies, and said we don't want another war. But through the very careful and deliberate propaganda of the Nazi party, the nation backed a war and German Nazi soldiers were born. Hitler couldn't have done much without the use of propaganda and soldiers to fight for his cause.

And someone else mentioned it too, the Allied powers during WWI didn't treat their defeated enemies very fairly. This is yet another example of how war breeds war. WWII happened almost directly because of circumstances created by WWI.

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War is necessary, overpopulation is a problem.

We need WWIII!

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"So long asthere are men, therewill be wars." - Albert Einstein

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Strife is so ingrained in the human psyche that we as a people are physically incapable of operating without it. As long as there is man there will always be conflict.

It really isn't that we insist on it or that we even intentionally partake in it, we simply know no other way. It would be like asking why does fire insist on burning things.

I expect that somewhere deep within even the most wretched of man dwells the desire to live in peace and be free of enemies. Sadly these fleeting notions rarely escape the bastion of hate and contempt that is the Human soul.

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Why do people insist that war is bad. With no natural predators, maybe war is nature's way of culling the numbers a little. That and disease and famine and pestilence.

sonicare

You use population control as a justification for war? I would argue that there are MUCH more humane and less wasteful tactics.

For example: Sex education, and birth control.

Not to mention all the underlying effects that war has on a society.

Just think about how many countless children don't have fathers(or mothers) because of war and therefore have nobody to teach them about sex, and how important education is, etc.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Why do people insist that war is bad. With no natural predators, maybe war is nature's way of culling the numbers a little. That and disease and famine and pestilence.

Franklinstein

You use population control as a justification for war? I would argue that there are MUCH more humane and less wasteful tactics.

For example: Sex education, and birth control.

Or death camps. Guns and explosives are terribly inefficient ways of terminating large numbers of people.

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"We make war that we may live in peace" - Aristotle

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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

Franklinstein

War isn't necessary though. Even the evil Nazi regime could have been overpowered if the German nation would have stood up to their war profiting companies, and said we don't want another war. But through the very careful and deliberate propaganda of the Nazi party, the nation backed a war and German Nazi soldiers were born. Hitler couldn't have done much without the use of propaganda and soldiers to fight for his cause.

And someone else mentioned it too, the Allied powers during WWI didn't treat their defeated enemies very fairly. This is yet another example of how war breeds war. WWII happened almost directly because of circumstances created by WWI.

Oh good god. Seriously? Do you even know what the hell you're talking about? The evil war profiting companies plunged Germany into war? Yes, lets just throw out the rampant nationalism and ideology that was permeating the nation post Great War and blame it on them evil war mongering companies and forget the autocracy that imposed fascist and expansionist ideals on the population.

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war is MANLY ... and war is profit (for some)

mercenaryy
It is called war economy. And a country with bars and stripes has learned to gain a lot from it.
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#31 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Why do people insist that war is bad. With no natural predators, maybe war is nature's way of culling the numbers a little. That and disease and famine and pestilence.

Palantas

You use population control as a justification for war? I would argue that there are MUCH more humane and less wasteful tactics.

For example: Sex education, and birth control.

Or death camps. Guns and explosives are terribly inefficient ways of terminating large numbers of people.

Efficiency doesn't warrant morality. Usually the trend is the other way. Efficiency is also not enough to legitimize the murder of millions of people.

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

DucksBrains

War isn't necessary though. Even the evil Nazi regime could have been overpowered if the German nation would have stood up to their war profiting companies, and said we don't want another war. But through the very careful and deliberate propaganda of the Nazi party, the nation backed a war and German Nazi soldiers were born. Hitler couldn't have done much without the use of propaganda and soldiers to fight for his cause.

And someone else mentioned it too, the Allied powers during WWI didn't treat their defeated enemies very fairly. This is yet another example of how war breeds war. WWII happened almost directly because of circumstances created by WWI.

Oh good god. Seriously? Do you even know what the hell you're talking about? The evil war profiting companies plunged Germany into war? Yes, lets just throw out the rampant nationalism and ideology that was permeating the nation post Great War and blame it on them evil war mongering companies and forget the autocracy that imposed fascist and expansionist ideals on the population.

"The rampant nationalism and ideology that was permeating the nation post Great War" is what I simply referred to as propaganda. Because that's what it was.

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[QUOTE="mercenaryy"]

war is MANLY ... and war is profit (for some)

curono

It is called war economy. And a country with bars and stripes has learned to gain a lot from it.

The last time the US had a war economy was WWII...

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#34 DucksBrains
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"The rampant nationalism and ideology that was permeating the nation post Great War" is what I simply referred to as propaganda. Because that's what it was.

Franklinstein

Which was permeating before Hitler even joined the NSDAP.

However my main beef is.

Even the evil Nazi regime could have been overpowered if the German nation would have stood up to their war profiting companies, and said we don't want another war.

Franklinstein

By 1936 Nazi Germany effectively ran on a command economy.

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Because if you don't believe in the same imaginary friend as me you are wrong......and must die.

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limited resources + unlimited greed = war
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#37 curono
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[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="mercenaryy"]

war is MANLY ... and war is profit (for some)

Storm_Marine

It is called war economy. And a country with bars and stripes has learned to gain a lot from it.

The last time the US had a war economy was WWII...

oh oh oh... I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. I'll use an old example. But invading Kuwait, which incidentally is one of the BIGGEST oil producers in the world (maybe THE top dog) was no mere coincidence. US making a coup d'etat in Panama and afterwards controlling the canal was no coincidence. Going to Afhganistan and Iraq had nothing to do with freedom. War is expensive, but it helps gets the economy get started. These last two (Afhgans and Iraq) you may argue... but the first 2 ones go beyond doubt..
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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] It is called war economy. And a country with bars and stripes has learned to gain a lot from it.curono

The last time the US had a war economy was WWII...

oh oh oh... I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. I'll use an old example. But invading Kuwait, which incidentally is one of the BIGGEST oil producers in the world (maybe THE top dog) was no mere coincidence. US making a coup d'etat in Panama and afterwards controlling the canal was no coincidence. Going to Afhganistan and Iraq had nothing to do with freedom. War is expensive, but it helps gets the economy get started. These last two (Afhgans and Iraq) you may argue... but the first 2 ones go beyond doubt..

I don't think you know what a war economy is... There is a big difference between a war fought for the purpose of maintaining the status quo in supply and commerce. And a total war where there is a massive shift in economic output toward the purpose of the supplying the war effort.

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Extremism and response to extremism.
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#41 curono
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The last time the US had a war economy was WWII...

Storm_Marine

oh oh oh... I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. I'll use an old example. But invading Kuwait, which incidentally is one of the BIGGEST oil producers in the world (maybe THE top dog) was no mere coincidence. US making a coup d'etat in Panama and afterwards controlling the canal was no coincidence. Going to Afhganistan and Iraq had nothing to do with freedom. War is expensive, but it helps gets the economy get started. These last two (Afhgans and Iraq) you may argue... but the first 2 ones go beyond doubt..

I don't think you know what a war economy is... There is a big difference between a war fought for the purpose of maintaining the status quo in supply and commerce. And a total war where there is a massive shift in economicoutput toward the purpose of the war.

I think you underestimate how subtle a war economy can be. War economy doesn't require a full fledged all out war. You can make "small attacks" but continuous with the same or better results.

Again, Panama is the best example possible. The country was practically invaded (small coup d'etat) and as a result the Panama's canal was finished and exploided by the US for many many years. Well, a small conflict resulted in a big gain. Not only that, but wars although they are a big expense, start steel, food,tech and many other industries as well as investigation and technology.

BTW I found this little image that may help with my first comment...

http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/19/1920/TKU9D00Z/posters/us-world-domination-tour.jpg

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Becuase humans do not respect each other, as they do to animals as well. That is why they will be punished in 2012.

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You do know animals eat other animals yeah? It´s called nature!!

As for why do humans rage war against each other....Mainly because there´s good and evil in everyone and that´s just human nature. The main reasons for war are for power, profit, resources and lets not forget the biggest of them all, religion

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] oh oh oh... I am sorry but you are terribly wrong. I'll use an old example. But invading Kuwait, which incidentally is one of the BIGGEST oil producers in the world (maybe THE top dog) was no mere coincidence. US making a coup d'etat in Panama and afterwards controlling the canal was no coincidence. Going to Afhganistan and Iraq had nothing to do with freedom. War is expensive, but it helps gets the economy get started. These last two (Afhgans and Iraq) you may argue... but the first 2 ones go beyond doubt..curono

I don't think you know what a war economy is... There is a big difference between a war fought for the purpose of maintaining the status quo in supply and commerce. And a total war where there is a massive shift in economicoutput toward the purpose of the war.

I think you underestimate how subtle a war economy can be. War economy doesn't require a full fledged all out war. You can make "small attacks" but continuous with the same or better results.

Again, Panama is the best example possible. The country was practically invaded (small coup d'etat) and as a result the Panama's canal was finished and exploided by the US for many many years. Well, a small conflict resulted in a big gain. Not only that, but wars although they are a big expense, start steel, food,tech and many other industries as well as investigation and technology.

BTW I found this little image that may help with my first comment...

Just look up the definition of a war economy....It's not war for the sake of the economy, it's the economy for the sake of war.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the picture either.

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#44 curono
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No. It a

[QUOTE="curono"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

I don't think you know what a war economy is... There is a big difference between a war fought for the purpose of maintaining the status quo in supply and commerce. And a total war where there is a massive shift in economicoutput toward the purpose of the war.

Storm_Marine

I think you underestimate how subtle a war economy can be. War economy doesn't require a full fledged all out war. You can make "small attacks" but continuous with the same or better results.

Again, Panama is the best example possible. The country was practically invaded (small coup d'etat) and as a result the Panama's canal was finished and exploided by the US for many many years. Well, a small conflict resulted in a big gain. Not only that, but wars although they are a big expense, start steel, food,tech and many other industries as well as investigation and technology.

BTW I found this little image that may help with my first comment...

Just look up the definition of a war economy....It's not war for the sake of the economy, it's the economy for the sake of war.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the picture either.

No. It also applies to a warfare that represents an opportunity for economic growth because of war. Exactly what my point was, and the picture was made just to furthermore prove that US has been involved in war Economy policies after WWII
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No. It a[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] I think you underestimate how subtle a war economy can be. War economy doesn't require a full fledged all out war. You can make "small attacks" but continuous with the same or better results.

Again, Panama is the best example possible. The country was practically invaded (small coup d'etat) and as a result the Panama's canal was finished and exploided by the US for many many years. Well, a small conflict resulted in a big gain. Not only that, but wars although they are a big expense, start steel, food,tech and many other industries as well as investigation and technology.

BTW I found this little image that may help with my first comment...

curono

Just look up the definition of a war economy....It's not war for the sake of the economy, it's the economy for the sake of war.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the picture either.

No. It also applies to a warfare that represents an opportunity for economic growth because of war. Exactly what my point was, and the picture was made just to furthermore prove that US has been involved in war Economy policies after WWII

Where do you get that definition?

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#46 curono
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[QUOTE="curono"]No. It a[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Just look up the definition of a war economy....It's not war for the sake of the economy, it's the economy for the sake of war.

I don't know what point you're trying to make with the picture either.

Storm_Marine

No. It also applies to a warfare that represents an opportunity for economic growth because of war. Exactly what my point was, and the picture was made just to furthermore prove that US has been involved in war Economy policies after WWII

Where do you get that definition?

Wiki, dictionary, sociopolitic critics. All those 3 sources. Either way, my commentary is not flawed...
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Because the only predator for humans are humans so its nature's population control. Same reason why there are killers, diseases, etc.

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[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] No. It also applies to a warfare that represents an opportunity for economic growth because of war. Exactly what my point was, and the picture was made just to furthermore prove that US has been involved in war Economy policies after WWIIcurono

Where do you get that definition?

Wiki, dictionary, sociopolitic critics. All those 3 sources. Either way, my commentary is not flawed...

`War economy is the term used to describe the contingencies undertaken by the modern state to mobilise its economy for war production. Philippe Le Billon describes a war economy as a "system of producing, mobilising and allocating resources to sustain the violence`

Wiki doesn`t have much to say on the subject. It just seems tosay what I was trying to say.

Economists have been debating the actual economic implications of wars for ages. Whether or not they can stimulate mid term growth and such. But that makes no claims on what a war economy actually is, but rather what the effects of war on the a economy are.

If you have a precise source and definition I would really like to learn. But I haven`t ecountered defintions outside what I`ve already said.

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Sometimes words just won't work and violence is necessary to stop tyrants or bad people from harming innocents.

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Words aren't the only form of diplomacy....That computer virus Obama sent to Iran set them back without nuclear weapons for another seven years. Diplomacy requires you to use your brain. War is easier, so we do that. All of you seem to think words and war are our only two options in all situations. :?