Why do humans insist on war?

Because if they told Hitler to go home, he wouldn't of listened.

Because if they told Hitler to go home, he wouldn't of listened.

TINYOWNSYOU

Nah we could have just sent him a computer virus.

[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]

Because if they told Hitler to go home, he wouldn't of listened.

Storm_Marine

Nah we could have just sent him a computer virus.

Lol, I think that situation might have been beyond being solved with a computer virus.

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Where do you get that definition?

Storm_Marine

`War economy is the term used to describe the contingencies undertaken by the modern state to mobilise its economy for war production. Philippe Le Billon describes a war economy as a "system of producing, mobilising and allocating resources to sustain the violence`

Wiki doesn`t have much to say on the subject. It just seems tosay what I was trying to say.

Economists have been debating the actual economic implications of wars for ages. Whether or not they can stimulate mid term growth and such. But that makes no claims on what a war economy actually is, but rather what the effects of war on the a economy are.

If you have a precise source and definition I would really like to learn. But I haven`t ecountered defintions outside what I`ve already said.

Because shooting each other just seems like a fun thing to do.

Why do people insist that war is bad. With no natural predators, maybe war is nature's way of culling the numbers a little. That and disease and famine and pestilence.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"]Wiki, dictionary, sociopolitic critics. All those 3 sources. Either way, my commentary is not flawed...curono

`War economy is the term used to describe the contingencies undertaken by the modern state to mobilise its economy for war production. Philippe Le Billon describes a war economy as a "system of producing, mobilising and allocating resources to sustain the violence`

Wiki doesn`t have much to say on the subject. It just seems tosay what I was trying to say.

Economists have been debating the actual economic implications of wars for ages. Whether or not they can stimulate mid term growth and such. But that makes no claims on what a war economy actually is, but rather what the effects of war on the a economy are.

If you have a precise source and definition I would really like to learn. But I haven`t ecountered defintions outside what I`ve already said.

I don't see how that describes a war economy. I'm fairly confused now. What are the characteristics of the USA that make it have a war economy?

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

`War economy is the term used to describe the contingencies undertaken by the modern state to mobilise its economy for war production. Philippe Le Billon describes a war economy as a "system of producing, mobilising and allocating resources to sustain the violence`

Wiki doesn`t have much to say on the subject. It just seems tosay what I was trying to say.

Economists have been debating the actual economic implications of wars for ages. Whether or not they can stimulate mid term growth and such. But that makes no claims on what a war economy actually is, but rather what the effects of war on the a economy are.

If you have a precise source and definition I would really like to learn. But I haven`t ecountered defintions outside what I`ve already said.

Storm_Marine

I dont' see how thatdescribes a war economy.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] Taken from WAR ECONOMY Concerning the side of aggregate demand, this concept has been linked to the concept of "military Keynesianism", in which the government's military budget stabilizes business cycles and fluctuations and/or is used to fight recessions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_economy War is profitable. Ask the romans if it wasnt....curono

I dont' see how thatdescribes a war economy.

What are the characterstics of a war economy? Would Canada be considered as a war economy? How does a small scale war with little hardware demand stimulate a economy?

And which recession are you talking about? The current one or the post 9-11 one?

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

I dont' see how thatdescribes a war economy.

Storm_Marine

Yes....? They seemed to be rather unrelated I thought....

What are the characterstics of awar economy? Would Canada be considered to have a war economy?

It's easy to assume that we could all resolve our differences peacefully, but you seem to forget that humans are imperfect. We are irrational, emotional, stupid and generally flawed, thus, our actions have all the same flaws. It would be nice if diplomacy worked like you think it should, but what if it doesn't? What if some leader won't listen and continues to cause pain and suffering for his own goals? Total peace would only work if everyone is peacefully. War is necessary for the same reasons that police are necessary, people are violent, stupid, irrational beings that don't always do the right thing, and because of this, need a forcefull entity to make stop them.

I feel that the things that cause war are greed and religious/ethnic intolerance. Not just now but always. If you look at any war you can certainly connect either of these, if not both, to the war in question.

Efficiency doesn't warrant morality. Usually the trend is the other way. Efficiency is also not enough to legitimize the murder of millions of people.

Franklinstein

What do you mean when you say "Efficiency doesn't warrant morality"? And what do you mean that the trend is usually the other way?

It's easy to assume that we could all resolve our differences peacefully, but you seem to forget that humans are imperfect. We are irrational, emotional, stupid and generally flawed, thus, our actions have all the same flaws.

redstorm72

I can make a judgement to use violence to pursue my ends in a rational, intelligent and emotionaly neutral fashion. I don't see that being irrational, emotional, or stupid necessarily causes conflict, as being the opposite of each of those can also cause conflict. I'm not addressing "generally flawed," as that's pretty vague.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="curono"] War is used to stop recessions... That is how.. Do you remember which was the previous recession?? Do you remember if there was a.. war going on simultaneouslycurono

Yes....? They seemed to be rather unrelated I thought....

What are the characterstics of awar economy? Would Canada be considered to have a war economy?

That's ridiuculous for so many reasons. But I suppose that's not your fault.

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

It's easy to assume that we could all resolve our differences peacefully, but you seem to forget that humans are imperfect. We are irrational, emotional, stupid and generally flawed, thus, our actions have all the same flaws.

Palantas

I can make a judgement to use violence to pursue my ends in a rational, intelligent and emotionaly neutral fashion. I don't see that being irrational, emotional, or stupid necessarily causes conflict, as being the opposite of each of those can also cause conflict. I'm not addressing "generally flawed," as that's pretty vague.

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Yes....? They seemed to be rather unrelated I thought....

What are the characterstics of awar economy? Would Canada be considered to have a war economy?

Storm_Marine

That's ridiuculous for so many reasons. But I suppose that's not your fault.

If someone is trying to kill you, you have two main choices: 1) fight back, 2) die. The idea that we could avoid all war by diplomacy is naive.

If someone's trying to kill me I'm going to kill them. I really don't care how we got to that predicament, it doesn't really matter anymore.

I agree most wars are pointless, but most of the time all the reasons a war gets fought, all the **** people throw around to make their cause seem valiant, it typically boils down to a bunch of people trying to survive, by killing people who are trying to kill them.

Doesn't matter why when its going on around you, all that matters is tommorow.

Stopping all war, that'll never happen. I don't like the idea of starting wars but if I'm sent to fight one I'll do it without complaining.

Something a little off about this logic. Broken down; Clearly X is not sufficient to cause Y because Z also causes Y. Clearly, I know that the sun doesn't cause ice cream to melt, because radar waves can also cause it to melt.............Vandalvideo

I was breaking this down a little differently: X is not the sole cause of Y, because Not X also causes Y. Clearly, I know that ths sun isn't the only thing causing icecream to melt, because whatever does too. If Redstorm wasn't being so black and white with rationa/irrational and so forth, he'll probably let me know in his reply........................

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]

Because war sometimes is necessary. Sometimes you cannot talk a person or country to peace. Sometimes you have to fight sometimes it is the only way. Words do not work for everyone. But fighting works for most things. Do you think Hitler would've stopped if we asked him too?No. "Violence is not the answer but it is a solution"

Franklinstein

War isn't necessary though. Even the evil Nazi regime could have been overpowered if the German nation would have stood up to their war profiting companies, and said we don't want another war. But through the very careful and deliberate propaganda of the Nazi party, the nation backed a war and German Nazi soldiers were born. Hitler couldn't have done much without the use of propaganda and soldiers to fight for his cause.

And someone else mentioned it too, the Allied powers during WWI didn't treat their defeated enemies very fairly. This is yet another example of how war breeds war. WWII happened almost directly because of circumstances created by WWI.

**** happens. The world is never black and white. I'm not saying that what the Allied forces ever did to their captives was right but it doesn't matter. War is a terrible, ugly little thing, but to act as if it can always be avoided is folly.

It will happen. And when it happens, and the bullets start flying, when they fly at you, you'll either fight back or die.

So it doesn't matter. I don't ever try to understand war because its not something I have the capacity to understand. But if I'm ever stuck in one I'll do the same as every other man, woman, or child stuck in it. Fight, or die.

i was in the infantry. and war is pretty fun imo. you get to shoot ppl and blow **** up

I will just respond to the topic title because I am not reading that.

Do you really have to ask this question? In a perfect world where everyone agrees on everything war would not exist. Humans are not and will never become perfect. There will always be war. People who acknowledge this are merely being logical. We can hope for peace all we want, but eventually war will happen again. Its human nature to fight and that wont change.

"All war represents a failure of diplomacy"
~ Tony Benn

i was in the infantry. and war is pretty fun imo. you get to shoot ppl and blow **** up

GreatEmpire

In special operations you get to shoot people, and in engineering you get to blow s*** up. In the Infantry you get to sit around waiting for something to happen while an NCO tells you to "Hurry up."

Sometimes words just won't work and violence is necessary to stop tyrants or bad people from harming innocents.

foxhound_fox

People are awesome. You guys are so cynical.

Our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan have undoubtedly created the environment for a lot of people to hate America in the future. Franklinstein

In the words of The Terminator, T-800:

"It is in your nature to destroy yourselves." :lol:

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]Because we're humans. People need to stop holding humans to some freakishly high level of value. We're not important, and we're not great. Bees are more important than us.Ace6301

:|We already have one.

People need to stop holding humans to some freakishly high level of value.-Big_Red-

I only hold one human to a freakishly high level of value.

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]People need to stop holding humans to some freakishly high level of value.Palantas

I only hold one human to a freakishly high level of value.

[QUOTE="I"]

I only hold one human to a freakishly high level of value.

-Big_Red-

Even then, they're not important.

You're not that person, so your opinion on my importance is irrelevant to me, particularly in this medium. I think I'm very important. Everyone elses' importance varies greatly depending on how well I know and like them. Bees are of marginal importance, as I like honey. I don't see what I should feel any differently about any of this.

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

[QUOTE="I"]

I only hold one human to a freakishly high level of value.

Even then, they're not important.

You're not that person, so your opinion on my importance is irrelevant to me, particularly in this medium. I think I'm very important. Everyone elses' importance varies greatly depending on how well I know and like them. Bees are of marginal importance, as I like honey. I don't see what I should feel any differently about any of this.

I'm still more important than the bees. I can eat fish. As long as I get to keep living, other things can die if necessary. In fact, this planet only needs to continue being able to support life for another 80 years at most. After that, it doesn't matter.

Keep thinking that. People like to think that they have a good bead on things, and that their life is more important than another creatures. It's not.

-Big_Red-

What do you think is important?

I'm still more important than the bees. I can eat fish. As long as I get to keep living, other things can die if necessary. In fact, this planet only needs to continue being able to support life for another 80 years at most. After that, it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

Keep thinking that. People like to think that they have a good bead on things, and that their life is more important than another creatures. It's not.

Palantas

What do you think is important?

Oh my, someones a try hard.

Ace6301

What's a "try hard"? I'm not familiar with that expression.

I'm still more important than the bees. I can eat fish. As long as I get to keep living, other things can die if necessary. In fact, this planet only needs to continue being able to support life for another 80 years at most. After that, it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="-Big_Red-"]

Keep thinking that. People like to think that they have a good bead on things, and that their life is more important than another creatures. It's not.

What do you think is important?

Humanity is a self destructive species that craves dominance.

This should explain it.

"So long as there are men, there will be wars." -Albert Einstein

I don't know, but it's stupid and disappointing.

"There was never a bad peace or a good war." - Benjamin Franklin

For exactly one reason.

Humans insist on war because of Pride, and sin if you happen to be religious. There are some cases, however, when war in defense is actually justified as "self defense" or whatever you want to call it.