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#51 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

IDFK

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I was just pokin' at ya. Don't take it too hard, man.

Edit: No homo.

aw but homo makes it fun yo

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I don't think they're all idiots. Even intelligent people are susceptible to brainwashing.PernicioEnigma
I wouldn't say people who are religious are brainwashed. I have a friend who was raised in a militant anti-theist household who became a Christian when he was 22, he's 29 now. His parents told him that religion is the worst thing in the world and to hate religious people, etc. and when he came out and said he was religious (that concept seems so foreign to me lol) they completely disowned him and his dad no longer calls him his son. So he wasn't brainwashed into a religion, he chose it after researching it.
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#53 shoot-first
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[QUOTE="shoot-first"]

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

IDFK

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I was just pokin' at ya. Don't take it too hard, man.

Edit: No homo.

aw but homo makes it fun yo

I guess it's not gay if there's no eye contact.

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#54 almasdeathchild
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="shoot-first"]

I was just pokin' at ya. Don't take it too hard, man.

Edit: No homo.

shoot-first

aw but homo makes it fun yo

I guess it's not gay if there's no eye contact.

giggity

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#55 shoot-first
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giggity

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[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't think they're all idiots. Even intelligent people are susceptible to brainwashing.ChampionoChumps
I wouldn't say people who are religious are brainwashed. I have a friend who was raised in a militant anti-theist household who became a Christian when he was 22, he's 29 now. His parents told him that religion is the worst thing in the world and to hate religious people, etc. and when he came out and said he was religious (that concept seems so foreign to me lol) they completely disowned him and his dad no longer calls him his son. So he wasn't brainwashed into a religion, he chose it after researching it.

That's interesting. Your friend is certainly the exception. You'll find the vast majority of religious people grew up with their religion, and people who take up a religion later in life tend to have gone through traumatic experiences or done something really wrong.

Perhaps the fact his parents are so strongly against religion could be the reason? Regardless, his dad sounds like an as*hole. I'm an atheist and from my point of view I can't think of any reason why he'd do such a thing. I'd question his motives for being atheist. Maybe he had some bad experiences with religion growing up?

Edit: His parents hate ALL religious people? That's horrible. It's ironic that people so against religion would take up its worst trait. Maybe it's for the best his parentsdisowned him.

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#57 -Unreal-
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Because it's irrational, illogical, supernatural, without any intelligent reason and is based on stories from thousands of years ago which have been changed and adapted over many years.

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#58 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]but people say it's stupid to blindly follow religion when science claims everything just kinda happened... that doesn't sound like something i'd get behind because it makes no sensedragonball3900
It makes tons of sense if you care to open yourself to it. Tell me why would a god create millions of bare planets and bare space outside of Earth if his only intention was to populate and take care of Earth? Just one of the many things that religion doesn't really have an answer for.

because there's no way we could possibly understand how god works and what his plan is, DUH. it's best that we don't think about it and just read the bible & do what it says.

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#59 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

[QUOTE="almasdeathchild"]

50/50 religious people are stupid

50/50 athiests are stupid

1/4th of america is stupid

almasdeathchild

you happy now?????

50 out of 50 equals 100%

how are you getting 1/4 from 100%?

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#60 ChampionoChumps
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[QUOTE="ChampionoChumps"][QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"]I don't think they're all idiots. Even intelligent people are susceptible to brainwashing.PernicioEnigma
I wouldn't say people who are religious are brainwashed. I have a friend who was raised in a militant anti-theist household who became a Christian when he was 22, he's 29 now. His parents told him that religion is the worst thing in the world and to hate religious people, etc. and when he came out and said he was religious (that concept seems so foreign to me lol) they completely disowned him and his dad no longer calls him his son. So he wasn't brainwashed into a religion, he chose it after researching it.

That's interesting. Your friend is certainly the exception. You'll find the vast majority of religious people grew up with their religion, and people who take up a religion later in life tend to have gone through traumatic experiences or done something really wrong. Perhaps the fact his parents are so strongly against religion could be the reason? Regardless, his dad sounds like an as*hole. I'm an atheist and from my point of view I can't think of any reason why he'd do such a thing. I'd question his motives for being atheist. Maybe he had some bad experiences with religion growing up?

To my knowledge his dad grew up in an atheistic household as well so idk. His mother did commit suicide but that was a few years after he became a Christian and I'm not really sure why. I would gander that half of the converts did not go through a traumatic experience or something and that it was for ulterior motifs. I do know a lot of people who converted to atheism after there was a traumatic experience in their family so I think it definitely works both ways. "Edit: His parents hate ALL religious people? That's horrible. It's ironic that people so against religion would take up its worst trait. Maybe it's for the best his parentsdisowned him." Yea, I'm not making this sh*t up either. They were very hateful people. His dad is a former Navy Seal who is now like a hired gun or whatever you call them.
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#61 PsychoLemons
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Blind faith I believe.

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Studies have shown that on average, atheists are better educated, but education and intelligence are really two separate things.
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#63 MirkoS77
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I find that religious faith discourages free thought and intellectual curiousity in the attempt to preserve belief. I don't equate this to stupidity, not at all, however I think it demonstrates willful ignorance, closed-mindedness, and denial, which can be easily mistaken for it. There's a saying I love that exemplifies this fairly well: "Philosophy deals with questions that may never be answered, religion deals with answers that may never be questioned.". Very true. It's not stupidity, it's the absense of thought and questioning in favor of belief. I can see how people could view someone who lives that way as stupid, even though they aren't. Just different priorities.
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#64 DJ-Lafleur
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My grandfather is religious and is one of the smartest guys I know, so I don't view religious people as stupid (not all of them anyways).

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#65 themajormayor
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People making those claims are just giant douchenozzles with their head up their own ass.

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Studies have shown that on average, atheists are better educated, but education and intelligence are really two separate things.Tylendal
On average isn't white people better educated too?
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]Studies have shown that on average, atheists are better educated, but education and intelligence are really two separate things.themajormayor
On average isn't white people better educated too?

I wouldn't know, what's your point?
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]Studies have shown that on average, atheists are better educated, but education and intelligence are really two separate things.Tylendal
On average isn't white people better educated too?

I wouldn't know, what's your point?

While it's pretty clear you didn't mean to bash anyone. So really it wasn't directed at you. But if anyone would use these studies to bash on religions couldn't a racist use these statistics to bash on black people?
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TC, just don't. I'm religious, but making threads like these makes some people write very insulting things, so it's better, really to avoid making threads like these.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] On average isn't white people better educated too?

I wouldn't know, what's your point?

While it's pretty clear you didn't mean to bash anyone. So really it wasn't directed at you. But if anyone would use these studies to bash on religions couldn't a racist use these statistics to bash on black people?

Only a particularly dumb one. As I said, education and intelligence are two completely different things. In fact, it could be argued (I wouldn't though), that higher education leads to atheism, and is therefore causation, not correlation. Basically though, it comes down to intelligence is a potential, while education is quantifiable. That's why I'd never say that someone who held religious beliefs was less intelligent.
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] I wouldn't know, what's your point?

While it's pretty clear you didn't mean to bash anyone. So really it wasn't directed at you. But if anyone would use these studies to bash on religions couldn't a racist use these statistics to bash on black people?

Only a particularly dumb one. As I said, education and intelligence are two completely different things. In fact, it could be argued (I wouldn't though), that higher education leads to atheism, and is therefore causation, not correlation. Basically though, it comes down to intelligence is a potential, while education is quantifiable. That's why I'd never say that someone who held religious beliefs was less intelligent.

I agree with you completely
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#72 shoot-first
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TC, just don't. I'm religious, but making threads like these makes some people write very insulting things, so it's better, really to avoid making threads like these.Spinnerweb

Some people tend to frenzy on these threads like a school of feeding Piranha.

Other people's religious/non-religious views don't bother me, as long as they don't try to push their views on me or claim that I'm some kind of idiot for believing in something other than they do. I don't try to change their views, so I would expect the same from them. It is not very nice or wise to bash on other people for what they believe in.

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[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]TC, just don't. I'm religious, but making threads like these makes some people write very insulting things, so it's better, really to avoid making threads like these.shoot-first

Some people tend to frenzy on these threads like a school of feeding Piranha.

Other people's religious/non-religious views don't bother me, as long as they don't try to push their views on me or claim that I'm some kind of idiot for believing in something other than they do. I don't try to change their views, so I would expect the same from them. It is not very nice or wise to bash on other people for what they believe in.

Indeed it isn't :) After all, all you get to see of other people here is their avatar, so bashing them will just either get the basher insulted or make them look like an idiot. Probably both :lol:
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Because they are insecure and it makes them feel they are superior.
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Because they are insecure and it makes them feel they are superior. LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] I wouldn't know, what's your point?

While it's pretty clear you didn't mean to bash anyone. So really it wasn't directed at you. But if anyone would use these studies to bash on religions couldn't a racist use these statistics to bash on black people?

Only a particularly dumb one. As I said, education and intelligence are two completely different things. In fact, it could be argued (I wouldn't though), that higher education leads to atheism, and is therefore causation, not correlation. Basically though, it comes down to intelligence is a potential, while education is quantifiable. That's why I'd never say that someone who held religious beliefs was less intelligent.

Or less educated.;)
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] While it's pretty clear you didn't mean to bash anyone. So really it wasn't directed at you. But if anyone would use these studies to bash on religions couldn't a racist use these statistics to bash on black people?

Only a particularly dumb one. As I said, education and intelligence are two completely different things. In fact, it could be argued (I wouldn't though), that higher education leads to atheism, and is therefore causation, not correlation. Basically though, it comes down to intelligence is a potential, while education is quantifiable. That's why I'd never say that someone who held religious beliefs was less intelligent.

Or less educated.;)

Well, I might say that they were statistically likely to be less educated, if I was feeling petty.
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Kinda hard not to when people believe in a religion that was created by a man who heard voices telling him to kill his own son.

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Kinda hard not to when people believe in a religion that was created by a man who heard voices telling him to kill his own son.

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Well sure, you could start talking about an invisible sky wizard who considers Christmas Trees a threat to his reign, and bans the consumption of figs, but Christians like to start hemming and hawing about "metaphorical interpretations" if you do that.
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Only a particularly dumb one. As I said, education and intelligence are two completely different things. In fact, it could be argued (I wouldn't though), that higher education leads to atheism, and is therefore causation, not correlation. Basically though, it comes down to intelligence is a potential, while education is quantifiable. That's why I'd never say that someone who held religious beliefs was less intelligent.

Or less educated.;)

Well, I might say that they were statistically likely to be less educated, if I was feeling petty.

Incorrect is the better word. Look at the statistics on percentage of people that attend higher education and then look at the statistics on religious beliefs. Since OT likes studies..... here. I merely don't buy into your argument because the US is mainly a country with religious people and also has a good supply of post secondary study. I believe one study put educated religious at 73% of the population.....far far off from your stance of less educated people believe. The less educated are 82%......only 9% difference. I can't say that backs up your opinion dude.
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Kinda hard not to when people believe in a religion that was created by a man who heard voices telling him to kill his own son.

Tylendal
Well sure, you could start talking about an invisible sky wizard who considers Christmas Trees a threat to his reign, and bans the consumption of figs, but Christians like to start hemming and hawing about "metaphorical interpretations" if you do that.

It's not hemming and hawing. If you guys don't understand what the faithful believe it's rather ignorant to make assumptions.
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Well i don't judge people base on their beliefs. But i think religions is stupid in general. ( offense to anyone) But its so easy to be religious . You can totally make up a religion and make your own rules up and ect.
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Well i don't judge people base on their beliefs. But i think religions is stupid in general. ( offense to anyone) But its so easy to be religious . You can totally make up a religion and make your own rules up and ect. AussieePet
You want to offend anyone? Most people don't make up their religion. You seem to be the first I've met that does that TBH.....
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Or less educated.;)LJS9502_basic
Well, I might say that they were statistically likely to be less educated, if I was feeling petty.

Incorrect is the better word. Look at the statistics on percentage of people that attend higher education and then look at the statistics on religious beliefs. Since OT likes studies..... here. I merely don't buy into your argument because the US is mainly a country with religious people and also has a good supply of post secondary study. I believe one study put educated religious at 73% of the population.....far far off from your stance of less educated people believe. The less educated are 82%......only 9% difference. I can't say that backs up your opinion dude.

Bam, right here, blasphemy. "Each year of education ups the odds by 15 percent that people will say there's "truth in more than one religion,"" This sounds like being agnostic to me. "they acquire an ever-wider range of friendships, including people with different beliefs than their own, Schwadel says. "People don't want to say their friends are going to hell," he says" Whatever happened to "thou shalt have no other god before me" "14 percent more likely to say they believe in a "higher power" than in a personal God." I'm sure Mom and Dad aren't happy. "13 percent more likely to switch to a mainline Protestant denomination that is "less strict, less likely to impose rules of behavior on your daily life" than their childhood religion" This article you linked shows, to my eyes, a clear erosion of fundamental and traditional beliefs and values directly correlating with further education, letting go of dogma and absolutes in favour of something approaching agnosticism.. Also, as far as I can tell, this article only looks at public education, it's criteria is "beyond 7th grade", which sets the bar just a little low, don't you think? The study I saw referred to post secondary education. And yeah. 9% is a pretty significant number.
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Kinda hard not to when people believe in a religion that was created by a man who heard voices telling him to kill his own son.

LJS9502_basic
Well sure, you could start talking about an invisible sky wizard who considers Christmas Trees a threat to his reign, and bans the consumption of figs, but Christians like to start hemming and hawing about "metaphorical interpretations" if you do that.

It's not hemming and hawing. If you guys don't understand what the faithful believe it's rather ignorant to make assumptions.

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." I guess you're right though, I was mistaken when I said figs were banned, I don't understand, clearly. :roll:
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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Well i don't judge people base on their beliefs. But i think religions is stupid in general. ( offense to anyone) But its so easy to be religious . You can totally make up a religion and make your own rules up and ect. LJS9502_basic
You want to offend anyone? Most people don't make up their religion. You seem to be the first I've met that does that TBH.....

lol No i meant no offense sorry, Yeah most of them do and others follow them cause they believe what they say is true. Really? theres lots that do as well tho .
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Well sure, you could start talking about an invisible sky wizard who considers Christmas Trees a threat to his reign, and bans the consumption of figs, but Christians like to start hemming and hawing about "metaphorical interpretations" if you do that.Tylendal
It's not hemming and hawing. If you guys don't understand what the faithful believe it's rather ignorant to make assumptions.

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." I guess you're right though, I was mistaken when I said figs were banned, I don't understand, clearly. :roll:

Psh, it's clearly a metaphor about how homosexulaity is immoral... :P See, you just don't get 'it'

/sarcasm

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not all Religious people are stupid infact only a minority are the ones that deny Science and evolution are stupid however most Religious people have come to think of evolution as an act of god now but ones that that flatout deny such things are certainly dum .

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In Christian faiths, the #1 value is to be Christ like. Pure heart, loveand following the straight and narrow path through the roughest of times and sacrifices.

As a carpenter, Jesus had to make precise measurements and perform all his tasks exactly right.

Christian religions strive to follow Christ above all else, not try andhave you memorize events / knowledge on a technical standpoint.

I'd rather be vastly unintelligent and follow Christ's example, than have a 250 IQ and be a hard hearted judgmental greedy etc. parasite.

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In Christian faiths, the #1 value is to be Christ like. Pure heart, loveand following the straight and narrow path through the roughest of times and sacrifices.

As a carpenter, Jesus had to make precise measurements and perform all his tasks exactly right.

Christian religions strive to follow Christ above all else, not try andhave you memorize events / knowledge on a technical standpoint.

I'd rather be vastly unintelligent and follow Christ's example, than have a 250 IQ and be a hard hearted judgmental greedy etc. parasite.

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but at the same time you could also say atleast the said person with a 250 IQ is taking there own path and making there own choices .

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#91 LustForSoul
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Those people believe in Unicorns, come on.
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#92 -DirtySanchez-
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because the whole idea of religion is beyond retarded
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#93 kaangonultas
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If you believe in fairies and deities, then yes you are clearly retarded
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I won't add to the generalisations, but I will say that once you start applying rationality to it all...it becomes very difficult to pick a faith to follow.

I mean, generally speaking, all religions in the history of mankind - and indeed all possible religions - are equally valid. There's just as much evidence for Pastafarianism as there is for Catholicism, so how could anyone rationally pick out a religion to choose?

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Tylendal"] Well sure, you could start talking about an invisible sky wizard who considers Christmas Trees a threat to his reign, and bans the consumption of figs, but Christians like to start hemming and hawing about "metaphorical interpretations" if you do that.

It's not hemming and hawing. If you guys don't understand what the faithful believe it's rather ignorant to make assumptions.

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." I guess you're right though, I was mistaken when I said figs were banned, I don't understand, clearly. :roll:

That you for proving my point for me....I didn't even has to ask.:lol:
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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Well i don't judge people base on their beliefs. But i think religions is stupid in general. ( offense to anyone) But its so easy to be religious . You can totally make up a religion and make your own rules up and ect. LJS9502_basic
You want to offend anyone? Most people don't make up their religion. You seem to be the first I've met that does that TBH.....

Oh please, every single one of you "Religeous" folks have your own perceptions of the same religion to the point where there is no consistency.
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Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.Tylendal
I agree.
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#98 gaming25
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Idk, why would some people think it's stupid to follow a person who has an Infinite IQ?

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#99 PC360Wii
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Idk, why would some people think it's stupid to follow a person who has an Infinite IQ?

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Because you have no evidence besides untested, man made tales to prove that this being has unlimited I.Q? what if he is just part of a prior race that cracked "the code" before our time? Sounds ridiculous? well same to you.... at least a scientist creating an eco system is more believable than some force that has no boundaries. Or you know... we are what we are, and what we use to be... little microorganisms that evolved to dominate this planet.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]Well i don't judge people base on their beliefs. But i think religions is stupid in general. ( offense to anyone) But its so easy to be religious . You can totally make up a religion and make your own rules up and ect. PC360Wii
You want to offend anyone? Most people don't make up their religion. You seem to be the first I've met that does that TBH.....

Oh please, every single one of you "Religeous" folks have your own perceptions of the same religion to the point where there is no consistency.

That's not true. There is a reason most faiths are organized. Duh....