Why do people revere Che Guevara? He was a ruthless murderer

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

i think thats its possibly one of the biggest ironies in the world - a marxist revolutionist on t-shirts sold for capitalist gains

he'd be rolling in his grave if he knew about these t shirts and the cool kids aint got a clue

For once, I agree with the TC.

Though he is awesome as the narrator of 'Evita.' Especially when played by Mandy Patinkin. >_>

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

MarineJcksn

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

alexeduardo

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

Jaks_Secret

Maybe if you did your homework on the man you'd see I have a valid point.

Whether you agree with his Marxist ideals ( i personally don't, but to each his own) you've gotta agree that killing people ruthlessly (including retreating enemy combatants, something a true soldier doesn't do, there's no honor in it IMO) isn't a thing to look at as being "revolutionary".

i think thats its possibly one of the biggest ironies in the world - a marxist revolutionist on t-shirts sold for capitalist gains

he'd be rolling in his grave if he knew about these t shirts and the cool kids aint got a clue

villa4europe

:lol:

I've thought about that for a long time too! Marxism selling T-Shirts, certainly wasn't Che's "Vision".:lol:

so was Stalin, but you don't mess with the Stalin 'stache.Hewkii

Agreed. You don't mess with a man-mazing 'stache of Sam Elliot quality.:lol:

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

MarineJcksn

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

PannicAtack

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

At least that's what you've been taught

[QUOTE="villa4europe"]

i think thats its possibly one of the biggest ironies in the world - a marxist revolutionist on t-shirts sold for capitalist gains

he'd be rolling in his grave if he knew about these t shirts and the cool kids aint got a clue

MarineJcksn

:lol:

I've thought about that for a long time too! Marxism selling T-Shirts, certainly wasn't Che's "Vision".:lol:

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

alexeduardo

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

At least that's what you've been taught

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]PannicAtack

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

Exactly. We revere our military heroes because they don't behave like this. We put our coward deserters on trial, not massacre them. Huge difference.

Side note, Washington was the man but you wanna know a great unsung hero of The Revolutionary War? Marquis de Lafayette. Higher education showed me how bad*** that guy truly was, stupid public high school didn't even mention him!:x

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

PannicAtack

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

[QUOTE="Jaks_Secret"]MarineJcksn

Maybe if you did your homework on the man you'd see I have a valid point.

Whether you agree with his Marxist ideals ( i personally don't, but to each his own) you've gotta agree that killing people ruthlessly (including retreating enemy combatants, something a true soldier doesn't do, there's no honor in it IMO) isn't a thing to look at as being "revolutionary".

No, it's just a generalization (this topic makes sense). No offense, it's just that I want to hang myself during most of your threads because you're so quick to object and usually have a fogged-up head.

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

MarineJcksn

Why do people rever Alexander The Great, and Genghis Khan? They were ruthless murderers aswell. Genious strategists, but still murderers.

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

fanboy-buster

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]

I've studied his guerrilla warfare tactics, even US Marine Corps Major Larry Bockman called some of his strategies "Brilliant". But the more I've read about the real life of Che Guevara, the more disturbing facts come to the surface.
-He routinely personally executed his own men who were accused of being "spies".
-He sent execution death squads to ruthlessly murder his own men who deserted, along with enemy troops as they tried to escape.
-He played a major role in getting Cuba the nuclear armed ballistic missles during the Cuban Missle Crisis and stated, "If they had been under Cuban control, we would have fired them off".
-He personally executed hundreds of Batista supporters and loyalists after the overthrow of the Cuban government.

So my question is: Why is his face all over T-Shirts I see at my friends' college campuses here in America? Do people actually know who he REALLY was, or is it just a symbol they think is cool?

IMO Guevara wasn't a military hero, a revolutionary (his idealogy failed) or a symbol to be praised. What do you think?

Clampdown79

Why do people rever Alexander The Great, and Genghis Khan? They were ruthless murderers aswell. Genious strategist, but still murderers.

my point exactly

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

alexeduardo

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

Agreed. It's just another shirt for idealistic kids to wear, like those who wear Ramones shirts and not even knowing what they are.D3nnyCrane

agreed. CLothing companies make big bucks by stickin his face on shirts.

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

PannicAtack

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

surf_economics

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

alexeduardo

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

As the term goes, "put up or shut up." >_>

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]UrbanSpartan125

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

I've seen it before, I dunno what the guy's thinking. Have you seen the Obama fan art where he's made to look like the Che T-Shirts?

I seriously can't believe how blatent he makes his socialist views apparent to anyone who wants to see, but nobody seems to care. It's a real head scratcher.

BTW, Semper Fi.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

alexeduardo

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

surf_economics

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

[QUOTE="surf_economics"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

fanboy-buster

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

I'll concede that Che did alot of things to help, but I can't condone the ruthlessness of some of his actions. >_>

[QUOTE="surf_economics"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

fanboy-buster

I've read about his medical work for his people, it's noble stuff I'll admit. But I hate that people try to make excuses for the ruthless brutality of the man based on the fact that he did SOME good in his life in the beginning.

It's like, if I cured diseases like AIDS but then later in life murdered hundreds of people. Would I go down in History as a genius who helped his fellow man, or as the murderer I became? Some good deeds don't simply erase a lot of bad ones.

[QUOTE="surf_economics"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

fanboy-buster

[QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="alexeduardo"]

well, george washington killed a good number of people too, but you don't see us angry proletariats starting threads about it

PannicAtack

At least that's what you've been taught

maybe because there aint any

that if you go to cuba you'll find plenty of examples

As the term goes, "put up or shut up." >_>

allahdammit, my point is that every country glorifes its heroes even if that requires slight modifications to history books.

there, lets not carry on

Read about The New Deal and The Great Society. More liberal ideals, more failures. :lol:MarineJcksn

[QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]Read about The New Deal and The Great Society. More liberal ideals, more failures. :lol:PannicAtack

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="surf_economics"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

He was one great physician who went to an island full of people with leprosy, just to treat them.

He wrote books about medicine.

He wanted social equality.

And...I dont have those shirts because they are for posers

surf_economics

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="MarineJcksn"]Read about The New Deal and The Great Society. More liberal ideals, more failures. :lol:UrbanSpartan125