Why do so many people have a problem with homeschooling?

But in practice it's only conservative Christians who seem to have realized its potential as a means to fundamentally alter the character of American society.

Stesilaus

I won't comment on the rest. There is just too much wrong with it for me to comment on it all.

As for this, if public schools are allowed to alter the character of the American society, then why shouldn't the parents? Parents should have more of a right to "alter" their kids than the schools/state/country.

Maybe i've misunderstood your point. If so, please correct me.

It seems like a form of sheltering. School isn't all about book learning. It is supposed to teach you other things, such as social interaction, and dealing with different types of people and situations.Engrish_Major

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[QUOTE="gamefreak1876"] I should note that many MANY homeschoolers (well almost everyone except for my family) in my region are EXTREMELY religious (Christian). Seems to be the same in most other places as well.funked_up

And why is that a problem?

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I'm all for debate, but if you atheists or whatever the hell you are, are gonna bring your "all christians are eeeeeevil" garbage, I will have nothing of it; the inconsistent whining is what turns me off from them. People bash public school and I'm fine, people bash homeschool and I'm fine (play devils advocate for the hell of it). I've been in both, I prefer independent study.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It seems like a form of sheltering. School isn't all about book learning. It is supposed to teach you other things, such as social interaction, and dealing with different types of people and situations.Serraph105

I have to say that is wrong. I'm homeschooled and although I haven't even stepped inside of a school, I know how to deal with all sorts of people--even bullies.

I don't have any friends but that has nothing to do with homeschooling.

[QUOTE="funked_up"][QUOTE="JustusCF"]

And why is that a problem?

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I'm all for debate, but if you atheists or whatever the hell you are, are gonna bring your "all christians are eeeeeevil" garbage, I will have nothing of it; the inconsistent whining is what turns me off from them. People bash public school and I'm fine, people bash homeschool and I'm fine (play devils advocate for the hell of it). I've been in both, I prefer independent study.

JPOBS

Yeah they can teach their kids whatever they want. Why should that be a problem? :?

the only problem I see from it is teh child losing the ability to socialize with others

Because from what I've seen, parents don't know more than school teachers. I'm glad I wasn't home schooled, I doubt I'd have learned half the stuff I know today.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]It seems like a form of sheltering. School isn't all about book learning. It is supposed to teach you other things, such as social interaction, and dealing with different types of people and situations.ghoklebutter

I have to say that is wrong. I'm homeschooled and although I haven't even stepped inside of a school, I know how to deal with all sorts of people--even bullies.

I don't have any friends but that has nothing to do with homeschooling.

an you be sure of that? Are you really so sure that if you went to a public school, andwere forced to interact with a multitude of different people every day that you wouldn't have friends right now?

It's fine.

But kids who are homeschooled also seem to be generally more socially awkward.

They don't know how it goes down in the playground. :x

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"] uh? /thread this is pretty much the right answerSerraph105

I have to say that is wrong. I'm homeschooled and although I haven't even stepped inside of a school, I know how to deal with all sorts of people--even bullies.

I don't have any friends but that has nothing to do with homeschooling.

an you be sure of that? Are you really so sure that if you went to a public school, andwere forced to interact with a multitude of different people every day that you wouldn't have friends right now?

Now that I think about it, no. I am going to a community college, but most students will probably older than me anyway (except for a few that are going there as well).

Actually what I said was wrong; I have friends, but we keep moving to different and stuff so we just contact eachother through other means.

It seems like a form of sheltering. School isn't all about book learning. It is supposed to teach you other things, such as social interaction, and dealing with different types of people and situations.Engrish_Major

Unless the parents graduated from college.....i dont think homeschooling is very efficient...roosuu

Wow, I never thought about that! If you graduate from college you must be intelligent, and everyone who doesn't is an idiot.

Idiots like Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Ty Warner, Harry S. Truman, Milton Hershey, George Washington, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, Steven Spielberg, Andrew Jackson, and Grover Cleveland would never have been capable of giving a child an education equivalent to a high-school.

Right.

Because it can totally screw up kids. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll understand. Parents can totally ***k over their children.

[QUOTE="roosuu"]Unless the parents graduated from college.....i dont think homeschooling is very efficient...Schultz38

Wow, I never thought about that! If you graduate from college you must be intelligent, and everyone who doesn't is an idiot.

Idiots like Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Ty Warner, Harry S. Truman, Milton Hershey, George Washington, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, Steven Spielberg, Andrew Jackson, and Grover Cleveland would never have been capable of giving a child an education equivalent to a high-school.

Right.

Education isn't important to educate!1!!!1

Lol why homeschool at all? We shouldn't teach anything to our children and they'll turn out just fine. Also, LOL "George Washington."

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]social interaction teachers can check fr abuse... over sheltering and it is just over all sillySchultz38

How many kids are being abused each day that go to a public school? A lot more thanhomeschoolers.If most of these weird, recluse homeschooling families are really all this religous, they wouldn't be abusing their kids.Now would they? What is "oversheltering? And why ishomeschooling"silly"?

Public School students have teachers to report their abuse where homeschooled students don't have anyone to report that they're being abused.

You should know what "oversheltering" is.

Because it can totally screw up kids. Watch "Jesus Camp" and you'll understand. Parents can totally ***k over their children. hakanakumono

Yeah, and it's impossible for teachers to ***k children over. Oh wait, some do, literally.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1144215&srvc=home&position=rated

Who wants to stereotype all teachers as child rapists?

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Don't double post... if you feel the need to say something more, there is this neat little thing called an edit button.

Education isn't important to educate!1!!! hakanakumono

Who told you that load of bull crap?

Lol why homeschool at all? We shouldn't teach anything to our children and they'll turn out just fine. hakanakumono

Public School students have teachers to report their abuse where homeschooled students don't have anyone to report that they're being abused. hakanakumono

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I dislike homeschooling, because of my bias. The reason why I dislike it is because my Aunt home schools my cousins, she is a born-again Cristian and believes public schools lie to the children. My cousins are also a grade below form what they should be and their social skills are horrible.

JustusCF

Oh how very tolerant, dislike her because of her religious faith? Christians aren't the only ones that think school books lie to children sometimes.

And for every homeschooler that has "terrible" social skills I can show you some emo kid with no friends at school, or probably some kid who committed suicide after being "made fun" of at school.

Nice assumption you got there, I never said I disliked her and I don't dislike anybody because of their religion, the problem is that she omits things because of her religion. My cousins education is so bad its to the point that there is no way in Hell they will ever be able to get into a college.

The belief that homeschoolers are as a rule "more sheltered" or socially deficient is a myth. As long as the parents aren't utter dumbasses (and there are laws in place for making sure), there's absolutely nothing wrong with homeschooling and homeschooled students generally have no difference in sociability from public schoolers.

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I dislike homeschooling, because of my bias. The reason why I dislike it is because my Aunt home schools my cousins, she is a born-again Cristian and believes public schools lie to the children. My cousins are also a grade below form what they should be and their social skills are horrible.

Ingenemployee

Oh how very tolerant, dislike her because of her religious faith? Christians aren't the only ones that think school books lie to children sometimes.

And for every homeschooler that has "terrible" social skills I can show you some emo kid with no friends at school, or probably some kid who committed suicide after being "made fun" of at school.

Nice assumption you got there, I never said I disliked her and I don't dislike anybody because of their religion, the problem is that she omits things because of her religion. My cousins education is so bad its to the point that there is no way in Hell they will ever be able to get into a college.

Nice assumption YOU have there, why are you stereotyping all homeschoolers because of that? Just because your aunt is doing/has done a bad job atteaching her kids, doesn't mean all homeschooling parents don't do a good job. Why are there so many special ed students in public schools?

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[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Oh how very tolerant, dislike her because of her religious faith? Christians aren't the only ones that think school books lie to children sometimes.

And for every homeschooler that has "terrible" social skills I can show you some emo kid with no friends at school, or probably some kid who committed suicide after being "made fun" of at school.

Schultz38

Nice assumption you got there, I never said I disliked her and I don't dislike anybody because of their religion, the problem is that she omits things because of her religion. My cousins education is so bad its to the point that there is no way in Hell they will ever be able to get into a college.

Nice assumption YOU have there, why are you stereotyping all homeschoolers because of that? Just because your aunt is doing/has done a bad job atteaching her kids, doesn't mean all homeschooling parents don't do a good job. Why are there so many special ed students in public schools?

I may dislike homeschooling and have a bias towards it but I never said that every homeschool is like that.

I may dislike homeschooling and have a bias towards it but I never said that every homeschool is like that.

Ingenemployee

You freely admit that all homeschooling is not like that, but then you say that you dislike homeschooling because some of it is.

There are three options here:

1 - You are ignorant. You know that they aren't all like that but you dislike it anyway.

2 - You are a liar. You don't really believe that some aren't like that, or you don't really dislike it.

3 -You are mistaken, and didn't really mean what you wrote. In which case I accept your apology. :P

The homeschooling movement has been a dream come true for racial supremacists and separatists.

Unsurprisingly, there's empirical evidence to suggest that in some communities it's primarily a response to racial integration in public schools ...

His [Tal Levy's] study is intriguing because he found that the higher the segregation index (his measure for how racially integrated public schools are), the greater the likelihood that the state would adopt homeschooling legislation. Levy writes:

"The fact that the majority of homeschooling families are White may be because of the increased racial integration of public schools." (Levy, 2007:10).

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And here's an example of what homeschooling can produce ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dFsmLfsEU

(Jump ahead to 2:00 if you're impatient to see what the song is really about.)

Nice assumption YOU have there, why are you stereotyping all homeschoolers because of that? Just because your aunt is doing/has done a bad job atteaching her kids, doesn't mean all homeschooling parents don't do a good job. Why are there so many special ed students in public schools?

Schultz38

Even if they do a good job, it's still unlikely they're going to as good as a job as many different teachers who are all educated and knowledgable in their department and specific area of teaching.

The homeschooling movement has been a dream come true for racial supremacists and separatists.

Unsurprisingly, there's empirical evidence to suggest that in some communities it's primarily a response to racial integration in public schools ...

His [Tal Levy's] study is intriguing because he found that the higher the segregation index (his measure for how racially integrated public schools are), the greater the likelihood that the state would adopt homeschooling legislation. Levy writes:

"The fact that the majority of homeschooling families are White may be because of the increased racial integration of public schools." (Levy, 2007:10).

(Source)

And here's an example of what homeschooling can produce ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dFsmLfsEU

(Jump ahead to 2:00 if you're impatient to see what the song is really about.)

Stesilaus

Yeah, and the fact that 79.96% of the U.S. population is white has nothing to do with it. *sarcasm*

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There is empirical evidence that suggests something!?! Now that we have evidence that shows that something might be true in some places it changes everything. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm convinced. *more sarcasm*

Fellow homeschoolers; do your parents teach you or do you learn by yourself?

[QUOTE="roosuu"]Unless the parents graduated from college.....i dont think homeschooling is very efficient...Schultz38

Wow, I never thought about that! If you graduate from college you must be intelligent, and everyone who doesn't is an idiot.

Idiots like Henry Ford, Walt Disney, Abraham Lincoln, Bill Gates, Ty Warner, Harry S. Truman, Milton Hershey, George Washington, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, Steven Spielberg, Andrew Jackson, and Grover Cleveland would never have been capable of giving a child an education equivalent to a high-school.

Right.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

The homeschooling movement has been a dream come true for racial supremacists and separatists.

Unsurprisingly, there's empirical evidence to suggest that in some communities it's primarily a response to racial integration in public schools ...

His [Tal Levy's] study is intriguing because he found that the higher the segregation index (his measure for how racially integrated public schools are), the greater the likelihood that the state would adopt homeschooling legislation. Levy writes:

"The fact that the majority of homeschooling families are White may be because of the increased racial integration of public schools." (Levy, 2007:10).

(Source)

And here's an example of what homeschooling can produce ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dFsmLfsEU

(Jump ahead to 2:00 if you're impatient to see what the song is really about.)

Schultz38

Yeah, and the fact that 79.96% of the U.S. population is white has nothing to do with it. *sarcasm*

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There is empirical evidence that suggests something!?! Now that we have evidence that shows that something might be true in some places it changes everything. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm convinced. *more sarcasm*

I never made the claim that all homeschooling is motivated by racism!

But you must admit that the homeschooling movement is a boon for people with a separatist agenda.

If you were a White supremacist (or a Black supremacist, or an Asian supremacist, or any other kind of supremacist), which would you rather do: Indoctrinate your children at home or send them to a racially-integrated school that might undo all your diligent indoctrination?

strange...I was freinds with a Homeschooled person...3 to be exact...they all turned out to be socially normal and everything.....wierd..they're even married and have kids of thier own......damn freaks :|....

strange...I was freinds with a Homeschooled person...3 to be exact...they all turned out to be socially normal and everything.....wierd..they're even married and have kids of thier own......damn freaks :|....

Omni-Slash

strange...I was freinds with a Homeschooled person...3 to be exact...they all turned out to be socially normal and everything.....wierd..they're even married and have kids of thier own......damn freaks :|....

Omni-Slash

Contrary to your experiences, I've also known homeschooled kids and they all had some social problems in one way or another. Especially this one girl who had been homeschooled her whole life and was quite possibly the most naive person I've ever met. She didn't even know what "heterosexual" meant.

What thats absurd no one gets married and has kids they should be locked up.MrLions

Contrary to your experiences, I've also known homeschooled kids and they all had some social problems in one way or another. Especially this one girl who had been homeschooled her whole life and was quite possibly the most naive person I've ever met. She didn't even know what "heterosexual" meant.

strange...I was freinds with a Homeschooled person...3 to be exact...they all turned out to be socially normal and everything.....wierd..they're even married and have kids of thier own......damn freaks :|....

Omni-Slash

It's all a matter of perspective. Freaks seem normal to other freaks. :P

It's all a matter of perspective. Freaks seem normal to other freaks. :P

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

It's all a matter of perspective. Freaks seem normal to other freaks. :P

Omni-Slash

I know. I was just kidding! :D

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Contrary to your experiences, I've also known homeschooled kids and they all had some social problems in one way or another. Especially this one girl who had been homeschooled her whole life and was quite possibly the most naive person I've ever met. She didn't even know what "heterosexual" meant.

Omni-Slash

I never said it mattered. I just said that to give you an idea of just how unknowledgable this girl was about the world outside of her house. It wasn't like that was the only thing she didn't know. There was a lot this girl was clueless about.

OK well i voted for hateing it but im less exteme about it than that. Personally i just see the downsides to it, i mean the kids get less of the social education than at public school and that could lead to problems later in life.

I never said it mattered. I just said that to give you an idea of just how unknowledgable this girl was about the world outside of her house. It wasn't like that was the only thing she didn't know. There was a lot this girl was clueless about.

I never made the claim that all homeschooling is motivated by racism!

But you must admit that the homeschooling movement is a boon for people with a separatist agenda.

If you were a White supremacist (or a Black supremacist, or an Asian supremacist, or any other kind of supremacist), which would you rather do: Indoctrinate your children at home or send them to a racially-integrated school that might undo all your diligent indoctrination?

Stesilaus

You replied much more civilly than I expected you would, so I suppose I will do the same.

Yes, I do think that some people use homeschooling to force their beliefs on their children, but that isn't the case for the majority. I also think that some public school teachers try to force their beliefs on children.

In fact, I had one teacher in high-school that tried to get me to join a satanic cult. This same teacher would often make subtle, positive comments about Hitler and Stalin. Do I think most teachers are closet cultists? No. Do I think most homeschoolers are supremacists? No.

The thing is, we cant be sure if the parents are fit to teach or not. roosuu

You cant compare the parents to the people above because you just dont know these parents and what they are capable of. roosuu

Enrolling kids into public schools gives them a better chance of getting a better education.roosuu

Also public school teachers actually have a degree to teach so they are far more qualified to teach than parents who have not graduated from college. Homeschooling might be ok if the parents actually have had some form of high education but most of the time, they dont.roosuu

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I never said it mattered. I just said that to give you an idea of just how unknowledgable this girl was about the world outside of her house. It wasn't like that was the only thing she didn't know. There was a lot this girl was clueless about.

Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

I never said it mattered. I just said that to give you an idea of just how unknowledgable this girl was about the world outside of her house. It wasn't like that was the only thing she didn't know. There was a lot this girl was clueless about.

Omni-Slash

Last I checked most public school kids aren't clueless about sex, drugs, and social interaction. I'm not talking about academics.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

I never said it mattered. I just said that to give you an idea of just how unknowledgable this girl was about the world outside of her house. It wasn't like that was the only thing she didn't know. There was a lot this girl was clueless about.

gameguy6700

Last I checked most public school kids aren't clueless about sex, drugs, and social interaction. I'm not talking about academics.