Why do some people really beilive MJ was a rapist?

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#1 blazingkiller63
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Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

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#2 chessmaster1989
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You know, I don't know much about the case, but I'm willing to bet that it's not at all how you described it... >_>
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he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

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#4 majwill24
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My main problem with the accusations are that I can't fathom a parent being bought off so easily if their child was really molested/raped. MAybe, its just me and I underestimate the sheer greed of the American people and that they could actually be paid to keep silent, even if their own flesh and blood was sexually assaulted.

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#5 SolidTy
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Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

blazingkiller63

Innocent until PROVEN Guilty is a concept a that a MOB MENTALITY will never understand. Unfortunately, it's getting to be if you are ACCUSED of anything in this world, you are automatically guilty. It's sad, but people LOVE scandal, especially with Celebrities.

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As far as money payouts go, Celebrities pay off people all the time to avoid negative publicity. You lose your public image, you lose sales. The Accusations got Michael Jackson addicted to painkillers, as the stress was taking it's toll on him.

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#6 bsman00
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Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

blazingkiller63
He amitting that sleeping with a 12year old in bed is ok....... people dont say crap for 20 years and it not be true
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#7 lol_haha_dead
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It went down exactly how u said. The mother did it for money.
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#8 AFraud
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"Thinked" isn't even a real word simple jack.

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#9 bsman00
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he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

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Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"
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Michael Jackson did an out of court settlement with the boy's parents, you'd think an innocent man wouldn't have to do that.

Anyway, that's all I can think of that really throws doubt into my mind.

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#11 Oleg_Huzwog
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Fix your title, dude. Nobody thinks he did THAT.

But what he did do (by his own admission) was seriously **** up.

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#12 savebattery
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Because he molested children. He paid Jason Francia's family 2 million dollars to keep quiet. He paid Jordan Chandler's family 22 million dollars to keep quiet. He admitted to sharing his bed with children and photo books containing graphic depictions of children's genitals were found in his room in 1993 by investigators. His own sister called him a pedophile on national TV. Jordan Chandler accurately described a birthmark on Jackson's penis The DNA of Gavin Arvizo, the accuser in the 2003-2005 case, was found on Jackson's pornography. If you like his music, that's fine. But all of the above happened, and if you can't draw a reasonable conclusion from it then I don't know what to say. If Jackson didn't have a 75 million dollar team of lawyers he'd probably be alive right now, albeit rotting in prison. And I know people are going to say that Chandler's dad was only after the money. Well, of course he was after the money. But that doesn't mean the abuse didn't take place.
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#13 blazingkiller63
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[QUOTE="blazingkiller63"]

Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

SolidTy

Innocent until PROVEN Guilty is a concept a that a MOB MENTALITY will never understand. Unfortunately, it's getting to be if you are ACCUSED of anything in this world, you are automatically guilty. It's sad, but people LOVE scandal, especially with Celebrities.

Yeah lol, just look at britney....they really messed her up LOL....:lol::lol::lol::lol:....but no, she really was crazy:(

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#14 simplexp
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[QUOTE="clyde46"]

he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

bsman00

Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"

It's because people are ignorant and their only intentions are for them is to see the opposite of the truth. He was obviously innocent.

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#15 Chris_Williams
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you weren't there,,,i wasn't there... who knows what happens... i think he was just taken advantage of

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#16 clyde46
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[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="clyde46"]

he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

simplexp

Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"

It's because people are ignorant and their only intentions are for them is to see the opposite of the truth. He was obviously innocent.

The jury found him innocent.
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#17 clayron
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Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

blazingkiller63

Yeah, child rappers are just the worst. How dare they make lyrics targeted at such a young demographic.

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#18 BiancaDK
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"Thinked" isn't even a real word simple jack.

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So... ? Some people have subpar grammar for various reasons, you know. Is it really that enjoyable to bash other people over the internet, big guy?
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#19 corwinn01
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Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

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#20 blazingkiller63
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you weren't there,,,i wasn't there... who knows what happens... i think he was just taken advantage of

Chris_Williams

did you finished your sentence :? couldnt tell without a period at the end ( yeah my grammer sucks too, i just started english lessons about a year ago a few months)

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#21 adv_tr00per
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[QUOTE="clyde46"]

he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

bsman00
Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"

that shows that they only accused him for the money. if your kid was molested wouldn't you want the molester to rot in jail for the rest of their life instead of just getting some money and forgetting about it? and quit your MJ hating
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My question is, wouldnt it have been cheeper to take the original case to court, and be vindicated if found innocent than pay off the kids family? I mean if he had nothing to hid, or was 100% innocent, I would think the legal process would cost less than $10 million. That is, unless he knew he couldnt win that case...

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#23 SolidTy
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Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

corwinn01

No, it's that you are too young to understand how influential he was...which is understandable, he became a victim of his own superfame, for sure.

As far as his amazing talent? Michael Jackson has the #1 Selling Album of all Time, THRILLER, that says your wrong.

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#24 bsman00
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[QUOTE="simplexp"]

[QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="clyde46"]

he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"

It's because people are ignorant and their only intentions are for them is to see the opposite of the truth. He was obviously innocent.

So if he was alive, and lets say you have a kid around 5 or 6... you would leave your kid with him, with out any worry?
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#25 AFraud
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Because he molested children. He paid Jason Francia's family 2 million dollars to keep quiet. He paid Jordan Chandler's family 22 million dollars to keep quiet. He admitted to sharing his bed with children and photo books containing graphic depictions of children's genitals were found in his room in 1993 by investigators. His own sister called him a pedophile on national TV. Jordan Chandler accurately described a birthmark on Jackson's penis The DNA of Gavin Arvizo, the accuser in the 2003-2005 case, was found on Jackson's pornography. If you like his music, that's fine. But all of the above happened, and if you can't draw a reasonable conclusion from it then I don't know what to say. If Jackson didn't have a 75 million dollar team of lawyers he'd probably be alive right now, albeit rotting in prison. And I know people are going to say that Chandler's dad was only after the money. Well, of course he was after the money. But that doesn't mean the abuse didn't take place.savebattery

Exactly. Innocent people don't settle out of court for gigantic sums of money.

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#26 bsman00
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[QUOTE="adv_tr00per"][QUOTE="bsman00"][QUOTE="clyde46"]

he was charged with child molesting. He was found innocent. end of.

Micheal paid them off..... of course he was found "innocent"

that shows that they only accused him for the money. if your kid was molested wouldn't you want the molester to rot in jail for the rest of their life instead of just getting some money and forgetting about it? and quit your MJ hating

People with that kind of money can do anything
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#27 Yandere
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I don't believe that he's a rapist, nor would I care.. I just hate his music, and the sudden media outburst of him/his music.
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#28 savebattery
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My question is, wouldnt it have been cheeper to take the original case to court, and be vindicated if found innocent than pay off the kids family? I mean if he had nothing to hid, or was 100% innocent, I would think the legal process would cost less than $10 million. That is, unless he knew he couldnt win that case...

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I might buy the "they were in it for the money" argument if we weren't talking about three separate cases many years apart. And if Jackson didn't admit to sharing a bed with the children. And if they didn't find books containing photos of children's genitals in his bed room. And if his sister didn't call him a pedophile on national television. And if Jordan Chandler didn't correctly describe a birth mark on Jackson's penis And if Jackson hadn't established a pattern of erratic behavior.
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#29 SolidTy
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Exactly. Innocent people don't settle out of court for gigantic sums of money.

AFraud

Wrong.

Famous people do it all the time because they don't even want the stigma of negative publicity.

Especially when the money is almost nothing to them.

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#30 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

My question is, wouldnt it have been cheeper to take the original case to court, and be vindicated if found innocent than pay off the kids family? I mean if he had nothing to hid, or was 100% innocent, I would think the legal process would cost less than $10 million. That is, unless he knew he couldnt win that case...

savebattery

I might buy the "they were in it for the money" argument if we weren't talking about three separate cases many years apart. And if Jackson didn't admit to sharing a bed with the children. And if they didn't find books containing photos of children's genitals in his bed room. And if his sister didn't call him a pedophile on national television. And if Jordan Chandler didn't correctly describe a birth mark on Jackson's penis And if Jackson hadn't established a pattern of erratic behavior.

La Toya was not part of the any of the Jackson's lives, and His Sister La Toya RETRACTED her statement publically, she also cllaimed her husband made her say it to get in the news.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, you weren't there, end of story.

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This person gave 15 million dollars to save a dying child in the orphanage....none of these bashers would have done it.

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[QUOTE="blazingkiller63"]

Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

SolidTy
Innocent until PROVEN Guilty is a concept a that a MOB MENTALITY will never understand. Unfortunately, it's getting to be if you are ACCUSED of anything in this world, you are automatically guilty. It's sad, but people LOVE scandal, especially with Celebrities.

Truth has been told.
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[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

My question is, wouldnt it have been cheeper to take the original case to court, and be vindicated if found innocent than pay off the kids family? I mean if he had nothing to hid, or was 100% innocent, I would think the legal process would cost less than $10 million. That is, unless he knew he couldnt win that case...

savebattery

I might buy the "they were in it for the money" argument if we weren't talking about three separate cases many years apart. And if Jackson didn't admit to sharing a bed with the children. And if they didn't find books containing photos of children's genitals in his bed room. And if his sister didn't call him a pedophile on national television. And if Jordan Chandler didn't correctly describe a birth mark on Jackson's penis And if Jackson hadn't established a pattern of erratic behavior.

Yeah, the point I was trying to make is a super rich guy could afford to take the case to court if he knew he was innocent. The $10 million pay out just makes him look very guilty.

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#34 simplexp
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Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

corwinn01

Okay explain me his guiness world records of biggest album of all time with "Thriller", most successful Concert series with many consecutive sold out shows, the grammy awards with EIGHT grammy awards in 1984,the LARGEST audience in a show with over 130 million showing up to the concert, and may i add over 100 million albums and singles sold OUTSIDE of the U.S, imagine how many sold in the U.S. The list keeps going.

NOW you tell me how he wasn't that "great of a singer" and why he does not deserve the attention he is deserving. Are you watching his funeral now, look at how many people are there. That is ALOT of attention, and he deserves every bit of it.

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#35 blazingkiller63
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[QUOTE="corwinn01"]

Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

SolidTy

No, it's that you are too young to understand how influential he was...which is understandable, he became a victim of his own superfame, for sure.

As far as his amazing talent? Michael Jackson has the #1 Selling Album of all Time, THRILLER, that says your wrong.

Dont think it has anything to do with age (im 13). i think he might of lied about the skin disease, He was pretty awsome when he was a kid. I just love to watch thriller & "dont stop till you get enough" over and over again,

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Its a shame what this world is coming to.... some people thought they could make some money out of their child being friends with him, so they pretty much destroy his life for $2 million , he paid off the familiy because he just wanted it to stop, not because he was guilty . It just goes to show there are some idiotic misinformed dopes in this world.

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Its completly obvious he wasnt, people just saw how rich and famous he was so they said: lets just say hes a child rapper & sue him for his millions...I hate to see good people thinked down apon bcuz of somone elses stupidity...MJ YOU WERE AN AWSOME SINGER, HOPE YOUR MOONWALKING IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW!

blazingkiller63

Not a rapist a pedophile. Because he paid off a kid not to testify against him for $25 million and admitted to sleeping with young boys. I'm not sure what the truth is but I would say he was one creepy dude.

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[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]

My question is, wouldnt it have been cheeper to take the original case to court, and be vindicated if found innocent than pay off the kids family? I mean if he had nothing to hid, or was 100% innocent, I would think the legal process would cost less than $10 million. That is, unless he knew he couldnt win that case...

SolidTy

I might buy the "they were in it for the money" argument if we weren't talking about three separate cases many years apart. And if Jackson didn't admit to sharing a bed with the children. And if they didn't find books containing photos of children's genitals in his bed room. And if his sister didn't call him a pedophile on national television. And if Jordan Chandler didn't correctly describe a birth mark on Jackson's penis And if Jackson hadn't established a pattern of erratic behavior.

La Toya was not part of the any of the Jackson's lives, and His Sister La Toya RETRACTED her statement publically, she also cllaimed her husband made her say it to get in the news.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, you weren't there, end of story.

First off, the facts I stated would be enough to convict ANYONE that couldn't afford Jackson's lawyers. Second, my statements WITHOUT La Toya Jackson's support are strong enough in the first place. Third, she only retracted her statements AFTER she ran out of money and wanted to reconcile with her family, who had disowned her.
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#39 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="corwinn01"]

Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

simplexp

Okay explain me his guiness world records of biggest album of all time with "Thriller", most successful Concert series with many consecutive sold out shows, the grammy awards with EIGHT grammy awards in 1984,the LARGEST audience in a show with over 130 million showing up to the concert, and may i add over 100 million albums and singles sold OUTSIDE of the U.S, imagine how many sold in the U.S. The list keeps going.

NOW you tell me how he wasn't that "great of a singer" and why he does not deserve the attention he is deserving. Are you watching his funeral now, look at how many people are there. That is ALOT of attention, and he deserves every bit of it.

leave the haters alone. They are just sad that they're favorite artist/band will never sell in a life time what MJ sold with Thriller alone :wink:
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[QUOTE="corwinn01"]

Let's say he wasn't a molester he was still a flipping weirdo. He wasn't that great of a singer and doesn't deserve the attention he is recieving now.

simplexp

Okay explain me his guiness world records of biggest album of all time with "Thriller", most successful Concert series with many consecutive sold out shows, the grammy awards with EIGHT grammy awards in 1984,the LARGEST audience in a show with over 130 million showing up to the concert, and may i add over 100 million albums and singles sold OUTSIDE of the U.S, imagine how many sold in the U.S. The list keeps going.

NOW you tell me how he wasn't that "great of a singer" and why he does not deserve the attention he is deserving. Are you watching his funeral now, look at how many people are there. That is ALOT of attention, and he deserves every bit of it.

Everybody know some MJ songs reguardless of what music you like. He IS the king of POP.
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#41 DJ-Lafleur
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Perhaps Jackson raped children, perhaps not. Now that Jackson is dead, we will never truly know...

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#42 savebattery
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Perhaps Jackson raped children, perhaps not. Now that Jackson is dead, we will never truly know...

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One only has to look at the evidence and Jackson's pattern of behavior to draw the conclusion beyond reasonable doubt that he molested children.
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#43 feryl06
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OJ Simpson wasn't charged NOT GUILTY----but we all know that's not the case. ;P I assume those same people who think he was innocent, also believed Simpson is an upstanding wonderful citizen. :P

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#44 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="savebattery"] I might buy the "they were in it for the money" argument if we weren't talking about three separate cases many years apart. And if Jackson didn't admit to sharing a bed with the children. And if they didn't find books containing photos of children's genitals in his bed room. And if his sister didn't call him a pedophile on national television. And if Jordan Chandler didn't correctly describe a birth mark on Jackson's penis And if Jackson hadn't established a pattern of erratic behavior.savebattery

La Toya was not part of the any of the Jackson's lives, and His Sister La Toya RETRACTED her statement publically, she also cllaimed her husband made her say it to get in the news.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, you weren't there, end of story.

First off, the facts I stated would be enough to convict ANYONE that couldn't afford Jackson's lawyers. Second, my statements WITHOUT La Toya Jackson's support are strong enough in the first place. Third, she only retracted her statements AFTER she ran out of money and wanted to reconcile with her family, who had disowned her.

No, because we aren't hearing the defense, just the accusations. Trials aren't ever so one sided. If you knew about La Toya's issues, you shouldn't have brought her up without mentioning the retraction.

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#45 BiancaDK
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OJ Simpson wasn't charged NOT GUILTY----but we all know that's not the case. ;P I assume those same people who think he was innocent, also believed Simpson is an upstanding wonderful citizen. :P

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You assume wrong, then? =]
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#46 blazingkiller63
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OJ Simpson wasn't charged NOT GUILTY----but we all know that's not the case. ;P I assume those same people who think he was innocent, also believed Simpson is an upstanding wonderful citizen. :P

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I dont know much about OJ to comment on him, from what iv heard & read online, im pretty sure he did kill his wife, maybe not. Like i said, i dont know much.

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#47 DarkGamer007
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Because he admitted to sleeping (in this case sleep did not mean sex) in the same bed as children, while he was holding hands with a child. /thread.

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#48 lol_haha_dead
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OJ Simpson wasn't charged NOT GUILTY----but we all know that's not the case. ;P I assume those same people who think he was innocent, also believed Simpson is an upstanding wonderful citizen. :P

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See, the proof is in the pudding OT. 89% of OT does what this man here just did. He makes assumptions/generalizations.
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#49 bsman00
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Because he admitted to sleeping (in this case sleep did not mean sex) in the same bed as children, while he was holding hands with a child. /thread.

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people here apparently think thats ok.......
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#50 blazingkiller63
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Because he admitted to sleeping (in this case sleep did not mean sex) in the same bed as children, while he was holding hands with a child. /thread.

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He was a kid at heart, meybe he just wanted to realese a bit of the inner child in him and play with the kid, who knows? As for teh picture im sure somone placed them there to accuse him.