Why do some people still fly Confederate flags?

I fly this on my flag pole.

I fly this on my flag pole.

airshocker

I love it. Where could I buy one these fine flags?

Stevo_the_gamer

Amazon.com =]

It has to do with Southern pride and state rights and yada yada blah blah. Never really understood the appeal behind it, and I don't believe in it, but it is their right and that's that. Maniacc1

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="KlownMaster"]I don't mind it as a sign of heritage in the South. Not every person who lived in the confederate states was a racist, there is so much more to that flag than racism and support for slavery. Today it could be looked at as even a sign of rebellion.Xx_Hopeless_xX

There's really not. If you're flying it as a sign of rebellion then, frankly, you're just being a tremendous moron. As for heritage, the flag was specifically comissioned to represent the Confederacy, an entity that existed basically for the sole purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. Not that there's not more to southern culture than that, but the Confederate flag doesn't really represent that culture, a state flag or the American flag could just as easily be used to represent that.

They did not secede because of slavery...

They were forced to pay tariffs which would make their way of living more expensive..whilst making the more industrialised norths way of life cheaper...

Their whole culture was different than that of the north..and they felt the north was threatening their way of life..

The Kansas Nebraska act caused alot of trouble on both sides...

Then there's also Harper's Ferry..in which John Brown tried to arm slaves but was killed by the Southern militia in the process..the north then praised him as a martyr...which showed that the North sanctioned violence as a means of freeing slaves..

The 2nd Great Awakening also plays a role...as well as the Transcontinental railroad and the lands in the Western US that had been ceded to the US by the mexicans..

There were many more issues as well..but basically they fought the civil war to protect their way of life...which INVOLVED slavery..but something around 75% or more of the southerners were subsistence farmers..

Confederate flag is a symbol of racism to many people, since the confederates were for that ironically after wanting freedom from the British. That's why alot of people don't like it.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

There's really not. If you're flying it as a sign of rebellion then, frankly, you're just being a tremendous moron. As for heritage, the flag was specifically comissioned to represent the Confederacy, an entity that existed basically for the sole purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. Not that there's not more to southern culture than that, but the Confederate flag doesn't really represent that culture, a state flag or the American flag could just as easily be used to represent that.

Will2Live

They did not secede because of slavery...

They were forced to pay tariffs which would make their way of living more expensive..whilst making the more industrialised norths way of life cheaper...

Their whole culture was different than that of the north..and they felt the north was threatening their way of life..

The Kansas Nebraska act caused alot of trouble on both sides...

Then there's also Harper's Ferry..in which John Brown tried to arm slaves but was killed by the Southern militia in the process..the north then praised him as a martyr...which showed that the North sanctioned violence as a means of freeing slaves..

The 2nd Great Awakening also plays a role...as well as the Transcontinental railroad and the lands in the Western US that had been ceded to the US by the mexicans..

There were many more issues as well..but basically they fought the civil war to protect their way of life...which INVOLVED slavery..but something around 75% or more of the southerners were subsistence farmers..

Thank you..and right..sorry about that..i just remember it as "he was killed"..:P

It's part of Southern Heritage, or pride -- symbolizes rebellion, and keen to reject the status quo. Or a simple facet of hate, and a flag that was raised to defend the most evil institution known to humankind.

Stevo_the_gamer

I posted basically the same thing earlier, but I agree. I look at it in two different views.

I fly this on my flag pole.

airshocker

Oh! How are you loving the Brand Refresh for the GOP?

:P

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]It has to do with Southern pride and state rights and yada yada blah blah. Never really understood the appeal behind it, and I don't believe in it, but it is their right and that's that. sSubZerOo

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

Oh! How are you loving the Brand Refresh for the GOP?

:P

Ultimas_Blade

I'm not voting GOP this time around unless I absolutely have to. Unfortunately, there is no tea party candidate for the NY gubernatorial election.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]It has to do with Southern pride and state rights and yada yada blah blah. Never really understood the appeal behind it, and I don't believe in it, but it is their right and that's that. limpbizkit818

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

Its simple hypocritical non sense we see through history.. They didn't get their way so they went out.. This had nothing to do with states rights.. http://www.civil-war.net/pages/georgia_declaration.asp If you read Georgias declaration of seccession its specifically about slavery.. yet again I am not trying to paint the south as the bad guys, or the north as the heroes.. If the posititons were switched around, I am sure the North would do the exact same thing..

sBecause they're stupid. When people say that they fly the flag for "state rights" it makes me laugh. Because, when you look at the main cause for the Civil War i.e. protectionist taxes and tariffs you'll see that the federal government was in the right and southern states were in the wrong.

sBecause they're stupid. When people say that they fly the flag for "state rights" it makes me laugh. Because, when you look at the main cause for the Civil War i.e. protectionist taxes and tariffs you'll see that the federal government was in the right and southern states were in the wrong.

the_new_guy_92

Well there is no denying that certain things like the destruction of slavery would cause a depression.. Though Lincoln had no intention of doing this in the beginning.. Afterall what president wants to be the known as the one that split up the country into a brutal civil war?

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]It has to do with Southern pride and state rights and yada yada blah blah. Never really understood the appeal behind it, and I don't believe in it, but it is their right and that's that. sSubZerOo

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]It has to do with Southern pride and state rights and yada yada blah blah. Never really understood the appeal behind it, and I don't believe in it, but it is their right and that's that. Maniacc1

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

Well there is no denying on the otherhand that if slavery ended, it would bepretty much the destruction of the south.. Though it is quite humorous if you look at the reconstruction of the south, slavery more or less existed to a extent with former slaves renting out acres of land from their former owners at outragoues costs and what not.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I don't mind it as a sign of heritage in the South. Not every person who lived in the confederate states was a racist, there is so much more to that flag than racism and support for slavery. Today it could be looked at as even a sign of rebellion.KlownMaster

There's really not. If you're flying it as a sign of rebellion then, frankly, you're just being a tremendous moron. As for heritage, the flag was specifically comissioned to represent the Confederacy, an entity that existed basically for the sole purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. Not that there's not more to southern culture than that, but the Confederate flag doesn't really represent that culture, a state flag or the American flag could just as easily be used to represent that.

They did not secede because of slavery...

They were forced to pay tariffs which would make their way of living more expensive..whilst making the more industrialised norths way of life cheaper...

Their whole culture was different than that of the north..and they felt the north was threatening their way of life..

The Kansas Nebraska act caused alot of trouble on both sides...

Then there's also Harper's Ferry..in which John Brown tried to arm slaves but was killed by the Southern militia in the process..the north then praised him as a martyr...which showed that the North sanctioned violence as a means of freeing slaves..

The 2nd Great Awakening also plays a role...as well as the Transcontinental railroad and the lands in the Western US that had been ceded to the US by the mexicans..

There were many more issues as well..but basically they fought the civil war to protect their way of life...which INVOLVED slavery..but something around 75% or more of the southerners were subsistence farmers..

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

People hang it as a symbol for their pride in the south.

Pirate700

So that's it. There's absolutely no other reason why someone would want to fly it?

Southern pride. The kind where a bunch of rich plantation owners convince the adjacent poor people to die for their economic gain.Sajo7

I love how the North acts like they are all innocent. I mean I wonder if schools even teach that the North owned slaves as well because the way people talk, you'd think it was just the South.

To most people in the South, the Confederate flag represents Southern pride/heritage. The majority of the South didn't even own slaves, and the common Confederate Soldier didn't give a damn about slavery; indeed, five of the Union States were also slave states at the onset of the war. Eventhough slaves were freed in the South through the Emancipation Proclamation, slavery wasn't abolished within the Union until 1865. Yes, Northerners were slave owners as well. Most of those who fought and died in the war didn't own slaves or even land; hell, more than a few didn't even own a pair of shoes. They stood together in the face of men who were intent on killing them, men who were their own brethren.

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

Oh! How are you loving the Brand Refresh for the GOP?

:P

I'm not voting GOP this time around unless I absolutely have to. Unfortunately, there is no tea party candidate for the NY gubernatorial election.

As in you'd vote (D)??? Even if it was a Progressive? That would be no less than...highly improbable for a Teaba...Tea Party supporter :PUltimas_Blade

I mean if it comes down to a Democrat and a GOP establishment Republican, I will vote GOP.

I'll never vote for a Democrat. MAYBE, and this is a very big maybe, I would vote for a conservative democrat.

People hang it as a symbol for their pride in the south.

DJ-Lafleur

i have no clue what u are talking about (im from Canada) guest thats why

There's still hope that one day the South will Rise Again...67gt500

There's still hope that one day the South will Rise Again...67gt500

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Except the South wasn't about states rights during the Civil War.. If this weren;'t the case why did they enforce and support the fugitive slave act through federal government on Northern States? This is alot like the anti-gay born again evangelicals getting caught with male prostitutes..

sSubZerOo

Its simple hypocritical non sense we see through history.. They didn't get their way so they went out.. This had nothing to do with states rights.. http://www.civil-war.net/pages/georgia_declaration.asp If you read Georgias declaration of seccession its specifically about slavery.. yet again I am not trying to paint the south as the bad guys, or the north as the heroes.. If the posititons were switched around, I am sure the North would do the exact same thing..

Sorry, I had to cook/eat supper. Yummy, pasta :)

But this is just not true. Much like how people who want to act like the Civil War had nothing to do with Slavery are wrong, those who say it had nothing to do with states rights are wrong.

#1, From their point of view, slavery was a state's rights issue. The declaration you posted makes it very clear how Georgia felt about Slavery. "The North has taken over the federal government and elected a sectional party is now going to tell us what to do". As a State that fought in the war with Mexico just like everyone else, they had a right to the new land. I am not sure how one can read thatdeclarationand say states rights had nothing to do with the war. You can say that Georgia is wrong, sure. But from their point of view this is exactly what is the reason.

And it's funny that you should bring up Georgia, since they were critical to the CSA failure. Their government fought anything Jefferson Davis tried to do to win the war. While Lincoln was expanding government power: implementing an income tax, starting a draft, suspending habeas corpus, Governor Brown would allow none if it. Under the principle of states rights, he wouldn't even allow Davis to take troops from Georgia without his permission and only if their general was from Georgia.

But why look only at one state? Not all states felt the same as Georgia. Look at the months of debate that happened in Virgina. And why not look at the CSA itself? There are a few things that differ between the US and Confederate constitution:

The Congress could not impose a Tariff

The Congress could not use funds to buildany internal improvements

Each bill passed by Congress could only be about one subject, and that subject had to be in the title.

I dam thing starts off with:"We, the people of the Confederate States, each State acting in its sovereign and independent character..."

And there where a few other changes I believe they made (they obviously mention slavery). But if, as you say, this war had NOTHING to do with states rights, why make any changes at all?

You can write the entire thing off by saying "Its simple hypocritical non sense we see through history.. They didn't get their way so they went out.." but is that not true of every revolt? That's the point: two sides come to such a disagreement that it must be settled by war. That's the way it has always worked. TheOrdinance of Nullification 30 years early set the stage for war: the sections had gone their way. On numerous issues the North and South did not see eye to eye, and one of those issues was the role/power of the state government.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

People hang it as a symbol for their pride in the south.

T_REX305

i have no clue what u are talking about (im from Canada) guest thats why

There's more to it than that, but generally that is what it is about.

I don't mind it as a sign of heritage in the South. Not every person who lived in the confederate states was a racist, there is so much more to that flag than racism and support for slavery. Today it could be looked at as even a sign of rebellion.KlownMaster

Nice sig.

I see this in the South a fair amount and in this neighborhood in Southern California. Is it an important symbol or something like that?

[QUOTE="Hemmaroids"][QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

I see this in the South a fair amount and in this neighborhood in Southern California. Is it an important symbol or something like that?

Ultimas_Blade

I'm not at all condoning what the CSA did. But I'd hardly concede to the point that it was percieved as a foreign army. First of all they seceded and did not recognize the North as part of their nation, so from their perspective it would certainly be foreign. Secondly, these were people mostly from out of state in the northern region of the country. Back then regional divide meant much more than it does now. Thirdly, I am not sure the United States was a country in the way we understand it to be now until after the civil war.

I see this in the South a fair amount and in this neighborhood in Southern California. Is it an important symbol or something like that?

Mostly as a way to show support for states' rights. There are very very few people still flying that flag because they're racists. Federalism is what this country was initially founded on, and the Constitution was put into effect to curb the negatives of federalism, such as restrictions on interstate commerce or contracts being valid in some states and invalid in others. Unfortunately, it has been perverted to the point where federalism is essentially gone because of the breadth of the federal government. I'm personally in favor of a smaller government and the increased liberty and freedom that will accompany it. In general, that's the mindset of those who fly the confederate flag, and I don't think it's a bad thing.

This is the Stars and Bars and was the flag of the CSA.

This is the Stars and Bars and was the flag of the CSA.WhiteKnight77

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

There's really not. If you're flying it as a sign of rebellion then, frankly, you're just being a tremendous moron. As for heritage, the flag was specifically comissioned to represent the Confederacy, an entity that existed basically for the sole purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. Not that there's not more to southern culture than that, but the Confederate flag doesn't really represent that culture, a state flag or the American flag could just as easily be used to represent that.

MUSH_IS_PWNs

They did not secede because of slavery...

They were forced to pay tariffs which would make their way of living more expensive..whilst making the more industrialised norths way of life cheaper...

Their whole culture was different than that of the north..and they felt the north was threatening their way of life..

The Kansas Nebraska act caused alot of trouble on both sides...

Then there's also Harper's Ferry..in which John Brown tried to arm slaves but was killed by the Southern militia in the process..the north then praised him as a martyr...which showed that the North sanctioned violence as a means of freeing slaves..

The 2nd Great Awakening also plays a role...as well as the Transcontinental railroad and the lands in the Western US that had been ceded to the US by the mexicans..

There were many more issues as well..but basically they fought the civil war to protect their way of life...which INVOLVED slavery..but something around 75% or more of the southerners were subsistence farmers..

And as i said..i apologize for mixing that up..because all i remember is that he was killed...