Why Do We Enjoy Killing and war games? its getting more realistic, and i'm glad?

I'm 24 and have played games since i was 8, and i was born in 1988 and i dont want this to come off wrong at all, I love gaming and i love headshots but i've noticed how influenced we all are by our surroundings and local humdrum propoganda of our countries, national pride how to behave people who to idolise and hate, we get this information from someware and mostly the people take this information as fact without question.

I havent watched tv for 2 years becuase when i do i litterarly get angry at how many adverts there is and the local news is heavly biased towards there views and mostly advertisers and i feel like i'm beign constantly lied to for example if you look this up a man called rupert murdoch mostly owns all the british news papers and owns american news publications and fox news, it has recently came out that this man blackmailed tonyblair to go to war otehrwise he was goign to slate him on all his news publications (online video here if interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrBD8LBpXw ) stuff like this makes me realise how much we dont know. I admit this has all came from me studying psychology and a person called Edward Bernay, who pretty much made the modern scary world we have now in the extent of everyday propganda but now i'm even questioning things I enjoy, like gaming i noticed i'm heavily in to war games and i enjoy killing people and i love how realistic its getting there is something seriously wrong with that stres reliver or not i want this to get realistic thats pretty **** up in my opinion my early influences from a yougn age glorrified guns and action i loved thee mediams as a child, robocop and termiantor was my heros, it just annoys me how influenced i am i'm starting to think there is no such thign as free will since i really didnt choose anything i was just influenced by enviroment

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out of the answers below give a score from 0 to 5 on each why you think you play these games Lowest being not at all 5 being certainly

i've always watched action movies -

Its stress relief -

because of anger issues -

because of work -

because of money -

I like guns -

from movies-

from early age

from family -

I enjoy the competition -

how competitive are you? (0 being lowest) -

do you get a rush winning? -

do you get stressed loosing?-

do you win in life - are you satisfied? (0 being lowest)-

do you enjoy the killing aspect in games?-

do you want this to become more realistic? -

is ther a limit on how far you will go even in a simualtion? yes or no

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...the system

okay so main question what makes you enjoy fps games and do you want to see it get even more realistic, and why do you want that, what makes you want that

but you want it to beome a more realistic simualtion right? and you want to kill even if its not real, your still goign through the motions at somepoint, at the moemnt maybe it is like laser tag though, i can accept that but the futuer of fps is goign to escalate makes me think

Most gamers don't enjoy "killing and war;" They enjoy competition, as do most people. "Killing" is a familiar and understandable form of a high-risk and rather ultimate competition.

You are over thinking it.

then why do people like fps games over anyother medium, why is every top game - assains creed,max payne,gta,medal of honor endless list of games all include killing, i cant see massive top AAA games NOT killing, competition? why not games liek poker or newer startergy games the go to for competition

Because you are purposely being blind?

Some of the top selling games of 2011 were Batman: Arkham City, Just Dance 3, Madden 12, FIFA 12, Zumba Fitness, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario Land 3D, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Party, and several more.

None involve killing. FPS have always been popular, they just became more so since consoles have been able to do it decently.

You still fail to see the point: It's not the killing, its the competition. Killing is a typically well-understood form of ultimate competition. Almost every game is competitive to some point. Naturally, its going to be heavily favoring the most extreme type of competition.

sport games, are always going to be top gmaes becuase its everyware on tv and all media so madden is going to be always popualr batman was just a very cool game not killing but still games liek thisi think are good for the mind of most people standing up to evil an all that, as for games like just cause, thats killing/mayhem on steroids for escapism liem michael douglas in fallin down , and teh zumba dance things whatever but the most anticipated games are usually violent ones mario kart and those type games are gaming tradition and nostalgia of people past younger days

but killing for competition maybe, i accept that point what you have to remmber here is i'm just askign why you liek fps games you like the competition..okay, now do you want to see a near life simulation of these games, and do you think that'l be to much or okay?

If a child plays Call of Duty, does that mean they're bad? No.

I don't watch TV either, I play shooters instead, like a man.

If a child plays Call of Duty, does that mean they're bad? No.

BranKetra

let me make myself clear....i love fps games so i'm not no nanny screamin thee kids today, however these games are influences and expriences a child that overly plays cod starts to think guns are 'cool' and learn weapons and actually a propganda in someways to the army being good and the middle east being the bad guys, from a childs point of view you dont really question things there is only good and evil when infact the current conflict we are in right now is very blurred, but the propoganda and influence over that childs future decissions maybe even carerr wise join the army adverts plays off the cod culture and actually funds/helps some games after they review it themselves to make sure the us army is in a good light

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If a child plays Call of Duty, does that mean they're bad? No.

Genetic34

let me make myself clear....i love fps games so i'm not no nanny screamin thee kids today, however these games are influences and expriences a child that overly plays cod starts to think guns are 'cool' and learn weapons and actually a propganda in someways to the army being good and the middle east being the bad guys, from a childs point of view you dont really question things there is only good and evil when infact the current conflict we are in right now is very blurred, but the propoganda and influence over that childs future decissions maybe even carerr wise join the army adverts plays off the cod culture and actually funds/helps some games after they review it themselves to make sure the us army is in a good light

I have no problems with it. It's just a game. The sooner I teach my kids to separate games from reality the better. In the meantime, I'm all for more realism.

the image above is pretty much what i'm talkin about doing this for fun and escapism really a terrible notion if you explain it out loud , specialy the context between reality andillusion when the illusion is becomming more and more like reality makes me wonder why this is fun people should be horrified by this morality is not something that satyed with us maybe i dunno, but its a scary concept for the entirity future of the human race , i'm just waiting for a reality show where deathrow inamates do taks to live we are nearly there

and then the post explaisn how his children will be taught the diffrence between illusion and reality, when this is an exprience that will effect his thought process, i dunno i'm just concerned by this

Who cares? Shoot first, ask questions later.MgamerBD

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]Who cares? Shoot first, ask questions later.Genetic34

seeing as the media influences decissions and outcomes thats still a worry, type edward bernay in youtube, he silenty changed the world through media

I'm shocked that you're so old and have yet to figure out that killing in a video game isn't actually killing.

no it isnt killing but it definatley numbs you to the idea of war, and might even make you support the troops in occasions you probably shouldn't be. something slowly penetrating your mind were you dont really notice but it slowly changes your ideals through the propganda you learned from a game and what effects come out of that, an issue is effecting your future decission making unconsiously, becuase you were subjcted to alot of war games. as we all know the enviroment shapes a person

if you have a stressfell life and your escapism is violence, what do you think could possibly happen?

I think it's a healthy outlet for for a person's violent tendencies. It's also said that's why horror/action movies are so popular. I enjoy ultra-violent games and movies. There's always that disconnection of it being a fantasy but with the way graphics are getting I can only see more protest.

a perfect example of 'Call Of Duty' TRAUMA is the wikileaks video showing the army killling alot of innocent people from that air gunship, it looks like a video game so much the soldiers felt so detached they played it like a game of cod looking for some kind of kill streak to popup at anymoment, and its also easy as the viewer to think its just a game when its actually real

People like explosions, action, and basically anything that get's their adrenaline pumping. Since violent video games quite often have a lot of this on the screen, that could be a reason...

I think it's a healthy outlet for for a person's violent tendencies. It's also said that's why horror/action movies are so popular. I enjoy ultra-violent games and movies. There's always that disconnection of it being a fantasy but with the way graphics are getting I can only see more protest.

Boddicker

no it isnt killing but it definatley numbs you to the idea of war, and might even make you support the troops in occasions you probably shouldn't be. something slowly penetrating your mind were you dont really notice but it slowly changes your ideals through the propganda you learned from a game and what effects come out of that, an issue is effecting your future decission making unconsiously, becuase you were subjcted to alot of war games. as we all know the enviroment shapes a person

if you have a stressfell life and your escapism is violence, what do you think could possibly happen?

Genetic34

No, it most certainly does not. Games will never be able to capture what war is really like. Even those of us who have served in the military and been deployed don't know what war is truly like. We've only been exposed to small pieces of it's horror.

Violence is video games isn't true violence. Shooting the avatar of a character is nothing like shooting someone in real life.

Your entire thread is based on a misguided foundation that killing in video games is the same as killing, and that violence in video games is the same as violence.

You're kind of in the wrong forum too. This is better suited to either General Games Discussion or your blog.

No, it most certainly does not. Games will never be able to capture what war is really like. Even those of us who have served in the military and been deployed don't know what war is truly like. We've only been exposed to small pieces of it's horror.

Violence is video games isn't true violence. Shooting the avatar of a character is nothing like shooting someone in real life.

Your entire thread is based on a misguided foundation that killing in video games is the same as killing, and that violence in video games is the same as violence.

airshocker

Well the genral population see games as the the only exprience they have of war im not saying it is excatly liek it, but this is the closes thing they know, but dont you thik guns and killing in games might make someone think they want to be one of those guys when they grow up and join the army? thats what i'm sayin its gettin to the point were illusion and reality is slowly gettign blurred when the illusion is trying to capture the reality

Well the genral population see games as the the only exprience they have of war im not saying it is excatly liek it, but this is the closes thing they know, but dont you thik guns and killing in games might make someone think they want to be oen of those guys whe nthe yrow up and join the army? thats what i'm sayin its gettin to the point were illusion and reality is slowly gettign blurred whe nthe illusion is trying to capture the reality

Genetic34

No, it isn't, to every point you just brought up with maybe the exception of people joining the military. People join the military for a lot of reasons, and I wouldn't put it past someone to join because of some military fantasy they got from playing a video game. That isn't a bad thing, though.

Nothing can compare to what war is actually like except war itself. You're naive to think so.

No, it isn't, to every point you just brought up with maybe the exception of people joining the military. People join the military for a lot of reasons, and I wouldn't put it past someone to join because of some military fantasy they got from playing a video game. That isn't a bad thing, though.

Nothing can compare to what war is actually like except war itself. You're naive to think so.

airshocker

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No, it isn't, to every point you just brought up with maybe the exception of people joining the military. People join the military for a lot of reasons, and I wouldn't put it past someone to join because of some military fantasy they got from playing a video game. That isn't a bad thing, though.

Nothing can compare to what war is actually like except war itself. You're naive to think so.

Genetic34

sorry i get alittle carried away and forget good puncuation :)

thats the problem if somebody wanted to fight a war becuase of the propganda they learnt from a game as you said 'war is a terrible' i wouldnt liek the idea of my son being brainwashed that way and illision is capturing reality and its getting blurred because of that and its only going to get more intense and i dont get how i'm naive if somebody fight a real war because they played a fake one, and yes thats a terrible thing jin my opinion joining the army is a waste of a life

Genetic34

You need to go back and learn the definition of propaganda. If a story is propaganda then I hope you're willing to call every piece of fiction ever created propaganda. You're speaking like someone who has NEVER been in the military. Where are people confusing the game with reality? Certainly not people who join the military and realize they don't have unlimited sprint, their aim isn't supernatural, and they all can't jump into a plane, chopper or tank and use them like aces.

Just because you join the military(as I've already said) doesn't mean you're going to experience war.

[QUOTE="Genetic34"]

thats the problem if somebody wanted to fight a war becuase of the propganda they learnt from a game as you said 'war is a terrible' i wouldnt liek the idea of my son being brainwashed that way and illision is capturing reality and its getting blurred because of that and its only going to get more intense and i dont get how i'm naive if somebody fight a real war because they played a fake one, and yes thats a terrible thing jin my opinion joining the army is a waste of a life

airshocker

You need to go back and learn the definition of propaganda. If a story is propaganda then I hope you're willing to call every piece of fiction ever created propaganda. You're speaking like someone who has NEVER been in the military. Where are people confusing the game with reality? Certainly not people who join the military and realize they don't have unlimited sprint, their aim isn't supernatural, and they all can't jump into a plane, chopper or tank and use them like aces.

Just because you join the military(as I've already said) doesn't mean you're going to experience war.

I'm studying a masters degree in propoganda :) this is part of my study.
in a sence every advertisement is propganda, for a brand and now even presidents are copying the branding style and makign there own propoganda. you know it as 'public relations' which means propganda it was renamed after worldwar 2 becuase the word propoganda became dirty. A good person to look up is edward bernay on youtube he is the king of propganda, and why women smoke :)

but back to the issue. Every war game recently has been Middle east bad guys western country saviours of the world right? why havnt we seen the story from the other side in a computer game? the closes thing i can think is a game called freedom fighters when russia takes over america and you fight the russians for your country back...i'm guessin that could be viewd as propganda? i dont think i'm goin to be playing as some one from afghaniistan soon liberating my country from US imperial rule after they killed my family?

if people join the military because of a video game thats some good propganda or advertisement as you view it.

making people numb to the idea of war and makign the wanna join it , or making people beleive there country are always the good guys and always back there country when deciding to go to war thats the propganda side, from a moral standpoint i've stated in my last posts pretty clearly

I'm studying a masters degree in propoganda :) this is part of my study.
in a sence every advertisement is propganda, for a brand and now even presidents are copying the branding style and makign there own propganda. you know it as 'public relations' which means propganda it was renamed after worldwar 2 becuase the word propganda became dirty. A good person to look up is edward bernay on youtube he is the king of propganda, and why women smoke :)

but back to the issue. Every war game recently has been Middle east bad guys western country saviours of the world right? why havnt we seen the story from the other side in a computer game? the closes thing i can think is a game called freedom fighters when russia takes over america and you fight the russians for your country back...i'm guessin that could be viewd as propganda? i dont think i'm goin to be playing as some one from afghaniistan soon liberating my country from US imperial rule after they killed my family?

if people join the military because of a video game thats some good propganda or advertisement as you view it.

Genetic34

I sincerely doubt you are studying what you are claiming to study.

making people numb to the idea of war and makign the wanna join it , or making people beleive there country are always the good guys and always back there country when deciding to go to war thats the propganda side, from a moral standpoint i've stated in my last posts pretty clearly

Genetic34

Until you actually experience war, or have been in the military, I don't think you're really in a position to say people are becoming numb to it.

Also, your posts haven't been clear. It's been quite hard for me to read them.

i'm studying a masters in psychology which is more or less a masters in propoganda, but i'm just mainly tring to find a few good reasons why people play violent games for my essay i can explore alittle thats the whole point of this thread, i think its a deeply psycholgical issue

ty... i think i went for a piss halfway through and came back and forgot lol