Why Do We Enjoy Killing and war games? its getting more realistic, and i'm glad?

the image above is pretty much what i'm talkin about doing this for fun and escapism really a terrible notion if you explain it out loud , specialy the context between reality andillusion when the illusion is becomming more and more like reality makes me wonder why this is fun people should be horrified by this morality is not something that satyed with us maybe i dunno, but its a scary concept for the entirity future of the human race , i'm just waiting for a reality show where deathrow inamates do taks to live we are nearly there

and then the post explaisn how his children will be taught the diffrence between illusion and reality, when this is an exprience that will effect his thought process, i dunno i'm just concerned by this

Genetic34

At my age, I've seen the real thing and I've seen the horrifying results. The real thing did more to desensitize me more than any game. The game I showed is for my consumption. Obviously, my kids will be playing much tamer games. Just the same, I still need to make sure my kids know the difference between game and reality lest one of them decide a cutie umbrella breaking a fall in a game is the same as taking a real umbrella and jumping off a 3-story window.

I liked how TC began capitalizing in his title, then grew bored and ditched it. Nude_Dude

It's simply because humans like to win, there is not much more to it.

they why not play snap? or snakes and ladders?

they why not play snap? or snakes and ladders?

Genetic34

ANY ONE READING THIS:

out of the answers below give a score from 0 to 5 on each why you think you play these games
Lowest being not at all 5 being certainly

i've always watched action movies -

Its stress relief -

because of anger issues -

because of work -

because of money -

I like guns -

from movies-

from early age

from family -

I enjoy the competition -

how competitive are you? (0 being lowest) -

do you get a rush winning? -

do you get stressed loosing?-

do you win in life - are you satisfied? (0 being lowest)-

do you enjoy the killing aspect in games?-

do you want this to become more realistic? -

is ther a limit on how far you will go even in a simualtion? yes or no

There are various websites where you can make questionnaires like that, way easier to process the data and it saves quite a bit of time.

ANY ONE READING THIS:

out of the answers below give a score from 0 to 5 on each why you think you play these games
Lowest being not at all 5 being certainly

i've always watched action movies -

Its stress relief -

because of anger issues -

because of work -

because of money -

I like guns -

in general -

from movies-

from early age

from family -

I enjoy the competition -

how competitive are you? (0 being lowest) -

do you get a rush winning? -

do you get stressed loosing?-

do you win in life - are you satisfied? (0 being lowest)-

do you enjoy the killing aspect in games?-

do you want this to become more realistic? -

is ther a limit on how far you will go even in a simualtion? yes or no

Genetic34

I like scenarios with viewpoints from different parties. With increased accuracy and realism, someone creative with an in-game editor can create a very effective teaching/training tool. For example, I can have that same scenario I posted earlier but viewed from the viewpoint of a civilian:

Well I have admit, I do like games where I get to kill but I'll never touch a war gamethebest31406

This doesn't make sense. I'm almost sure most games involving killing today are war games.

i'm studying a masters in psychology which is more or less a masters in propoganda, but i'm just mainly tring to find a few good reasons why people play violent games for my essay i can explore alittle thats the whole point of this thread, i think its a deeply psycholgical issue

Genetic34

Lord of the Flies by William Golding goes over this very question

It seems that people enjoy it because it's not real.

The boundaries of society and morality do not exist, therefore we are given free reign to our innate blood lust.

A violent videogame awakens a million year old instinct that can only be set loose in a virtual world.

Games may not be real, but they reflect the human being's inner blood lust, that, without society and morals, would be set loose without second thought, into the real world.

AFterall, CAN YOU really claim that there's nothing deeper going on when

You get really excited about chopping a man into a bloody mess of disembodied limbs and organs?

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[QUOTE="Genetic34"]

thats the problem if somebody wanted to fight a war becuase of the propganda they learnt from a game as you said 'war is a terrible' i wouldnt liek the idea of my son being brainwashed that way and illision is capturing reality and its getting blurred because of that and its only going to get more intense and i dont get how i'm naive if somebody fight a real war because they played a fake one, and yes thats a terrible thing jin my opinion joining the army is a waste of a life

Genetic34

You need to go back and learn the definition of propaganda. If a story is propaganda then I hope you're willing to call every piece of fiction ever created propaganda. You're speaking like someone who has NEVER been in the military. Where are people confusing the game with reality? Certainly not people who join the military and realize they don't have unlimited sprint, their aim isn't supernatural, and they all can't jump into a plane, chopper or tank and use them like aces.

Just because you join the military(as I've already said) doesn't mean you're going to experience war.

I'm studying a masters degree in propoganda :) this is part of my study.
in a sence every advertisement is propganda, for a brand and now even presidents are copying the branding style and makign there own propoganda. you know it as 'public relations' which means propganda it was renamed after worldwar 2 becuase the word propoganda became dirty. A good person to look up is edward bernay on youtube he is the king of propganda, and why women smoke :)

but back to the issue. Every war game recently has been Middle east bad guys western country saviours of the world right? why havnt we seen the story from the other side in a computer game? the closes thing i can think is a game called freedom fighters when russia takes over america and you fight the russians for your country back...i'm guessin that could be viewd as propganda? i dont think i'm goin to be playing as some one from afghaniistan soon liberating my country from US imperial rule after they killed my family?

if people join the military because of a video game thats some good propganda or advertisement as you view it.

The link between those two issues is tenuous at best... like if your drink is laced with LSD best.

Games aren't generally taken seriously enough by the media for them to have an influence on the industry. In fact just look at games like Deus Ex and MGS which address such issues inadvertently.

On a side note this news of the world guy is a total sh!t head who needs to be thrown in jail.

the image above is pretty much what i'm talkin about doing this for fun and escapism really a terrible notion if you explain it out loud , specialy the context between reality andillusion when the illusion is becomming more and more like reality makes me wonder why this is fun people should be horrified by this morality is not something that satyed with us maybe i dunno, but its a scary concept for the entirity future of the human race , i'm just waiting for a reality show where deathrow inamates do taks to live we are nearly there

and then the post explaisn how his children will be taught the diffrence between illusion and reality, when this is an exprience that will effect his thought process, i dunno i'm just concerned by this

Genetic34

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the image above is pretty much what i'm talkin about doing this for fun and escapism really a terrible notion if you explain it out loud , specialy the context between reality andillusion when the illusion is becomming more and more like reality makes me wonder why this is fun people should be horrified by this morality is not something that satyed with us maybe i dunno, but its a scary concept for the entirity future of the human race , i'm just waiting for a reality show where deathrow inamates do taks to live we are nearly there

and then the post explaisn how his children will be taught the diffrence between illusion and reality, when this is an exprience that will effect his thought process, i dunno i'm just concerned by this

Jebus213

The games today are nowhere near real.... Jebus213

Lord of the Flies by William Golding

SaintWalrus

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Lord of the Flies by William Golding

gamerguru100

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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Lord of the Flies by William Golding

SaintWalrus

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"][QUOTE="Jebus213"] because none of it is real. Movies could be real as possible but it's still all fake. That's how people are able to enjoy it. The real things are incredibly disturbing.Jebus213

LMAO

keep goin guys this stuff your comming up with is gold really like your views

A child may have a grasp meaning of morals just as how one might have a grasp meaning of Quantum Mechanics from a 5 minute youtube video.

But unless you're firmly rooted in those morals, you're very likely to commit said crimes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMFPe-DwULM

This video of Richard Feynman perfectly explains what I mean when I say it's not herp-a-derp sense (common sense) and why it needs deeper explanation.

The subjects are different, but the idea is the same.

keep goin guys this stuff your comming up with is gold really like your views

Genetic34

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No, it isn't, to every point you just brought up with maybe the exception of people joining the military. People join the military for a lot of reasons, and I wouldn't put it past someone to join because of some military fantasy they got from playing a video game. That isn't a bad thing, though.

Nothing can compare to what war is actually like except war itself. You're naive to think so.

Genetic34

I'm 23 and have played games since i was 8, and i was born in 1988 and i dont want this to come off wrong at all, I love gaming and i love headshots but i've noticed how influenced we all are by our surroundings and local humdrum propoganda of our countries, national pride how to behave people who to idolise and hate, we get this information from someware and mostly the people take this information as fact without question.

I havent watched tv for 2 years becuase when i do i litterarly get angry at how many adverts there is and the local news is heavly biased towards there views and mostly advertisers and i feel like i'm beign constantly lied to for example if you look this up a man called rupert murdoch mostly owns all the british news papers and owns american news publications and fox news, it has recently came out that this man blackmailed tonyblair to go to war otehrwise he was goign to slate him on all his news publications (online video here if interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjrBD8LBpXw ) stuff like this makes me realise how much we dont know. I admit this has all came from me studying psychology and a person called Edward Bernay, who pretty much made the modern scary world we have now in the extent of everyday propganda but now i'm even questioning things I enjoy, like gaming i noticed i'm heavily in to war games and i enjoy killing people and i love how realistic its getting there is something seriously wrong with that stres reliver or not i want this to get realistic thats pretty **** up in my opinion my early influences from a yougn age glorrified guns and action i loved thee mediams as a child, robocop and termiantor was my heros, it just annoys me how influenced i am i'm starting to think there is no such thign as free will since i really didnt choose anything i was just influenced by enviroment

Genetic34

I completely believe you now for some reasons not thinking!

[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Well I have admit, I do like games where I get to kill but I'll never touch a war gamegamerguru100

This doesn't make sense. I'm almost sure most games involving killing today are war games.

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"]Well I have admit, I do like games where I get to kill but I'll never touch a war gametocool340

This doesn't make sense. I'm almost sure most games involving killing today are war games.

TC, I agree 100% with you. Games are trying to be to realistic, most games these day feel like simulations, its hard as a kid to understand the differents, this makes me always think in back in the day when I was by my friend playing Medal of Honor on ps1. Hes grand pa came in and was speechless. (he was a ww2 soldier.) He left the room sad.

I love fps/violence games but they are trying to hard.

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[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

This doesn't make sense. I'm almost sure most games involving killing today are war games.

gamerguru100

And then John was a zombie.