Why do we need wars?

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="jaybobi92"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="jaybobi92"]Communism is the way forward. If every single country was commie, the somunists would have nobody to fight, and at least the poor people can be starve to death in peace-time.jaybobi92

I got hit in the eye eith a rock once. It really hurt.

Dammit Sir, thats suicide! We'll get hit for sure! WE're not playing games; innocent men could getbruised out there. My Captain got cut in the arm last week - it still stings him now when he goes in water.

[QUOTE="jaybobi92"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="jaybobi92"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="jaybobi92"]Communism is the way forward. If every single country was commie, the somunists would have nobody to fight, and at least the poor people can be starve to death in peace-time.wemhim

I got hit in the eye eith a rock once. It really hurt.

Dammit Sir, thats suicide! We'll get hit for sure! WE're not playing games; innocent men could getbruised out there. My Captain got cut in the arm last week - it still stings him now when he goes in water.

Sir! WE have reports of a WMD! IT's a stick... with a rock attached,

war is progress...peace is stagnationSerial-No_3404

Sic vis pacum parabellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.

[QUOTE="Serial-No_3404"]war is progress...peace is stagnationworthyofnote

Sic vis pacum parabellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.

It is tremendously hypocritical to say that war is only natural, when we as social human beings seem to do everything we can to break away from nature. We destroy the rainforests to support unnatural amounts of cattle, we polute the environments to make life easier for ourselves, we create unnatural weapons of mass destruction, and so on, and so on.

Human beings made a decision a long time ago to abandon the natural way of things and come together to create societies, large groups of people that are governed by rational thought instead of mere instinct. Sure it might be natural for people to feel anger and hate for one another, but unlike the majority of other species on this planet, we are blessed with the ability to use our rational mind, to choose not to throw that instinctive punch.

Humans choose war, because it is easier to destroy that which we don't understand, than to try and settle our differences. But it is only a vicious cycle of reciprication, when you choose to recipricate the violence. You must choose not to recipricate the violence. You must choose to behave non-violently, to forgive people their mistakes.

People cannot be forced to behave non-violently, they must choose it for themselves. Hate and anger are only momentary. Only when everybody in the world understands that they have the choice whether or not to engage in hate, will war truly be at an end.

why?

POPULATION CONTROL

[QUOTE="worthyofnote"]

[QUOTE="Serial-No_3404"]war is progress...peace is stagnationswamprat_basic

Sic vis pacum parabellum. If you want peace, prepare for war.

It is tremendously hypocritical to say that war is only natural, when we as social human beings seem to do everything we can to break away from nature. We destroy the rainforests to support unnatural amounts of cattle, we polute the environments to make life easier for ourselves, we create unnatural weapons of mass destruction, and so on, and so on.

Human beings made a decision a long time ago to abandon the natural way of things and come together to create societies, large groups of people that are governed by rational thought instead of mere instinct. Sure it might be natural for people to feel anger and hate for one another, but unlike the majority of other species on this planet, we are blessed with the ability to use our rational mind, to choose not to throw that instinctive punch.

Humans choose war, because it is easier to destroy that which we don't understand, than to try and settle our differences. But it is only a vicious cycle of reciprication, when you choose to recipricate the violence. You must choose not to recipricate the violence. You must choose to behave non-violently, to forgive people their mistakes.

People cannot be forced to behave non-violently, they must choose it for themselves. Hate and anger are only momentary. Only when everybody in the world understands that they have the choice whether or not to engage in hate, will war truly be at an end.

How is it hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature? Is it hypocritical to say that violence is a part of nature? violence exists in all living things, be it out of pure spite or for reasons for survival.

Population control. Andrew0987

and control of the population.

It is tremendously hypocritical to say that war is only natural, when we as social human beings seem to do everything we can to break away from nature. We destroy the rainforests to support unnatural amounts of cattle, we pollute the environments to make life easier for ourselves, we create unnatural weapons of mass destruction, and so on, and so on.

Human beings made a decision a long time ago to abandon the natural way of things and come together to create societies, large groups of people that are governed by rational thought instead of mere instinct. Sure it might be natural for people to feel anger and hate for one another, but unlike the majority of other species on this planet, we are blessed with the ability to use our rational mind, to choose not to throw that instinctive punch.

Humans choose war, because it is easier to destroy that which we don't understand, than to try and settle our differences. But it is only a vicious cycle of reciprocation, when you choose to reciprocate the violence. You must choose not to reciprocate the violence. You must choose to behave non-violently, to forgive people their mistakes.

People cannot be forced to behave non-violently, they must choose it for themselves. Hate and anger are only momentary. Only when everybody in the world understands that they have the choice whether or not to engage in hate, will war truly be at an end.

swamprat_basic

yeah we dont need wars, we should have let hilter continue his ways:|Film-Guy

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]It is tremendously hypocritical to say that war is only natural, when we as social human beings seem to do everything we can to break away from nature. We destroy the rainforests to support unnatural amounts of cattle, we pollute the environments to make life easier for ourselves, we create unnatural weapons of mass destruction, and so on, and so on.

Human beings made a decision a long time ago to abandon the natural way of things and come together to create societies, large groups of people that are governed by rational thought instead of mere instinct. Sure it might be natural for people to feel anger and hate for one another, but unlike the majority of other species on this planet, we are blessed with the ability to use our rational mind, to choose not to throw that instinctive punch.

Humans choose war, because it is easier to destroy that which we don't understand, than to try and settle our differences. But it is only a vicious cycle of reciprocation, when you choose to reciprocate the violence. You must choose not to reciprocate the violence. You must choose to behave non-violently, to forgive people their mistakes.

People cannot be forced to behave non-violently, they must choose it for themselves. Hate and anger are only momentary. Only when everybody in the world understands that they have the choice whether or not to engage in hate, will war truly be at an end.

foxhound_fox

Only in Utopia or death will war end.

How is it hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature? Is it hypocritical to say that violence is a part of nature? violence exists in all living things, be it out of pure spite or for reasons for survival.

worthyofnote

In and of itself, it is not hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature. War is a part of nature. It is hypocritical when people use that as an excuse to go to war, because our society has turned our back on nature in virtually every other aspect. You cannot argue that violence is only natural, when you choose to turn your back on nature in every other way.

[QUOTE="worthyofnote"]

Only in Utopia or death will war end.

How is it hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature? Is it hypocritical to say that violence is a part of nature? violence exists in all living things, be it out of pure spite or for reasons for survival.

swamprat_basic

In and of itself, it is not hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature. War is a part of nature. It is hypocritical when people use that as an excuse to go to war, because our society has turned our back on nature in virtually every other aspect. You cannot argue that violence is only natural, when you choose to turn your back on nature in every other way.

we dont need war its new jerseys fault they start everything like polutionhunter627

[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="worthyofnote"]

Only in Utopia or death will war end.

How is it hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature? Is it hypocritical to say that violence is a part of nature? violence exists in all living things, be it out of pure spite or for reasons for survival.

worthyofnote

In and of itself, it is not hypocritical to say that war is a part of nature. War is a part of nature. It is hypocritical when people use that as an excuse to go to war, because our society has turned our back on nature in virtually every other aspect. You cannot argue that violence is only natural, when you choose to turn your back on nature in every other way.

Thank you. I understand that, in the end, it might all be a dream of Utopia, but why dream of anything less? I don't know. Maybe I'm better at controlling my emotions than the average person. I just feel that no matter how angry I become about something, I always have the ability to choose a non-violent path.

Because the leaders always want to gain something through war.. This can be honour, oil, more land etc. So.. If we stop people from wanting anything, we would have peace!

In other words..

World peace, comrade?

J-link

Wow, thats a good point

Well, you see, the thing is- we dont need war. tepani

yeah i kno, right?

Humans are violent... We needed to find a way to allow humans to kill other humans in a legitimate way. War is that understanding. It allows a Human to murder someone without repercussions as long as the victem was a participating opponent of the very same understanding. Its the same reason many of you play Halo online, or counter strike, except in this game the death is real and therre is no respawn.

This is also why we have violent videogames. It also explains why they are so addictive, popular, and fun. If violent videogames ever get banned you will see an increas in people joining militaries and you will also see crime rates and murders go up. Without violent videogames for people to take out ther aggression on, they will go looking for the real thing

Or I could just be pulling this out of my ass. :P

OR it could be the truth that you are all too blind to see.

Humans are violent... We needed to find a way to allow humans to kill other humans in a legitimate way. War is that understanding. It allows a Human to murder someone without repercussions as long as the victem was a participating opponent of the very same understanding. Its the same reason many of you play Halo online, or counter strike, except in this game the death is real and therre is no respawn.

This is also why we have violent videogames. It also explains why they are so addictive, popular, and fun. If violent videogames ever get banned you will see an increas in people joining militaries and you will also see crime rates and murders go up. Without violent videogames for people to take out ther aggression on, they will go looking for the real thing

Or I could just be pulling this out of my ass. :P

OR it could be the truth that you are all too blind to see.

tequilasunriser

I agree with you. Except for one thing :]

"It allows a Human to murder someone without repercussions as long as the victem was a participating opponent of the very same understanding. "

Lots of children, woman, and just plain innocent people are killed that do not want to be involved

in the first place.

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]

Humans are violent... We needed to find a way to allow humans to kill other humans in a legitimate way. War is that understanding. It allows a Human to murder someone without repercussions as long as the victem was a participating opponent of the very same understanding. Its the same reason many of you play Halo online, or counter strike, except in this game the death is real and therre is no respawn.

This is also why we have violent videogames. It also explains why they are so addictive, popular, and fun. If violent videogames ever get banned you will see an increas in people joining militaries and you will also see crime rates and murders go up. Without violent videogames for people to take out ther aggression on, they will go looking for the real thing

Or I could just be pulling this out of my ass. :P

OR it could be the truth that you are all too blind to see.

tepani

I agree with you. Except for one thing :]

"It allows a Human to murder someone without repercussions as long as the victem was a participating opponent of the very same understanding. "

Lots of children, woman, and just plain innocent people are killed that do not want to be involved

in the first place.

They are the victems who aren't participating. When possible, actions are taken on those accountable, but how can you punish something if it was a legitimate mistake?

Again, going back to video games, ever play one of those games where you have to shoot the bad guys for points but if you shoot an innocent you lose points? Well when women and kids are shot, points are lost. it doesnt necessarily mean "game over."

A lot of pople are arguing along the "progress" route, but really, is there any reason we couldn't realistically have that level of research during peace time. It's a question of priorities, as any government will have more money availiable to it in peace time.

On an ethical point, is war always murder?

I would say yes if the participant has volunteered in full knowledge that they will be required to kill people. This may not be popular, but to me that makes the average war "hero" from iraq two steps away from Harold Shipman. I can not imagine any scenario where I would kill another person purely because they are wearing a different uniform than me. If the participant is conscripted, however, that is different as they are just trying to survive, and yes, it is should still be murder if you kill in self defence but enjoy it.

On the causation of war, I am pessimistic as to whether we will stop fighting. War is an inevitable consequence of patriotism, of the pride in creating a difference between groups depending on which side of an imaginary line they live. Cultural identity allows us to view others who don't share it as inferior, therefore the individual can absolve him or herself from his or her own moral scrutiny.

-Population control

-Money. Imagine all the jobs available for weapons factories and the armies

-Progression. WWII, people, especially the Germans, were whipping out new technology

-Population control

-Money. Imagine all the jobs available for weapons factories and the armies

-Progression. WWII, people, especially the Germans, were whipping out new technology

Cyrax-Sektor

If you want peace you must prepare for war. :|Bill900

War is necesarry so we have an excuse to kill others without getting attacked by Jack Tompson

(or whatever his name is)

Ask George Bush...

No, seriously, men evolve and become more active in war. Most of our daily things were ment for war.