Why DO you believe in GOD?....hmm?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"]

Thank you. And i did mention from the beggining i was going with logic.

CptJSparrow

There is no Empherical evidence for Macro evolution. So whats your point? Please don't evolution. So whats your point?

How is it riduculous? A painter is required to create a painting, could not god be painter? and he made us? How is God illogical, you havent answered me on that.

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

123625

Because I've got nothing to lose and more to gain in the end.shaza91

Exactly

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"]

Thank you. And i did mention from the beggining i was going with logic.

123625

There is no Empherical evidence for Macro evolution. So whats your point? Please don't evolution. So whats your point?

How is it riduculous? A painter is required to create a painting, could not god be painter? and he made us? How is God illogical, you havent answered me on that.

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

The multitude of species on this planet is empirical evidence for speciation (the correct term, btw).

On-topic: I don't. At least not by some standards.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"]

Thank you. And i did mention from the beggining i was going with logic.

123625

There is no Empherical evidence for Macro evolution. So whats your point? Please don't evolution. So whats your point?

How is it riduculous? A painter is required to create a painting, could not god be painter? and he made us? How is God illogical, you havent answered me on that.

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

Can you please stop misspelling empirical, its annoying

[QUOTE="123625"]

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

CptJSparrow

Like god hasn't been seen? Ill agree No one has seen god recently. So yes there is no empircal evidence for God till he shows himself.

But how does that make god illogical?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Are you agreeing that God has no empirical evidence?123625

Like god hasn't been seen? Ill agree No one has seen god recently. So yes there is no empircal evidence for God till he shows himself.

But how does that make god illogical?

Do I believe in God? No, I personally find religion overall to be a load of ****. There was no magician in the sky that just used his mind powers to create us, **** that. But face it, we'll never find out anyways, so I don't even concern myself with how life was created. All I'm saying is I believe God is all fake. A silly concept and all you get is a book and told to believe and have faith... really convincing. Also, the Christians who target Atheists and ask how everything can be created by nothing and just happen to be there, well I really wonder the same for your God. He just happened to be there and used his mind powers to create everything. That makes perfect sense.

Honestly, there are so many flaws in religion that it's impossible for me to believe in that. To be honest, I even find religion silly. In this day and age you can have a mind of your own, and this is all just my opinion.

I think God and religion is BS, but I respect those who are religious. I could go on and on but that's just a bit of my opinion here. So please don't quote this with faith or counter me with Atheist stuff. I find religion a lie, and arguing with me over it isn't going to convert me or change my mind.

I know this post is going to attract some flaming, and I'll be called ignorant and such. The internet is serious business after all.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Are you agreeing that God has no empirical evidence?CptJSparrow

Like god hasn't been seen? Ill agree No one has seen god recently. So yes there is no empircal evidence for God till he shows himself.

But how does that make god illogical?

Sigh, there is no emphiricalevidence for Macro evolution (one kind going to another).

Don't tell me kinds don't exist either.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"]

Yet you beleive in somethinｇ without emphiracle evidence、 so how is it any different?

Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one.

Sigh but whatever. Just don't call beleif of god illogical.

123625

Like god hasn't been seen? Ill agree No one has seen god recently. So yes there is no empircal evidence for God till he shows himself.

But how does that make god illogical?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Are you agreeing that God has no empirical evidence?123625

Like god hasn't been seen? Ill agree No one has seen god recently. So yes there is no empircal evidence for God till he shows himself.

But how does that make god illogical?

Sigh, there is no emphiricalevidence for Macro evolution (one kind going to another).

Don't tell me kinds don't exist either.

about falsifiability CptJsparrow, how can I falsify ANY event that occured 2000 years ago?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Allow me to return to your last post: "Whats makes your beleif more logical than mine? considering there is no Emphiracle evidence for neither one." You see, I agree with you that God has no empirical evidence in his favor, but I do not agree with you that evolution has no empirical evidence. Does that satisfy you as an answer?123625

Sigh, there is no emphiricalevidence for Macro evolution (one kind going to another).

Don't tell me kinds don't exist either.

about falsifiability CptJsparrow, how can I falsify ANY event that occured 2000 years ago?

notconspiracy

There is no Empherical evidence for Macro evolution. So whats your point? Please don't evolution. So whats your point?

How is it riduculous? A painter is required to create a painting, could not god be painter? and he made us? How is God illogical, you havent answered me on that.

123625

Well, at least you're admitting that some type of evolution exists. I think we're making some headway here.

I don't see why "macro" evolution can't be reconciled with God. I just can't. Everyone with a bible in their house always pulls the "Man is created in God's image" excuse out of their arse to shoot gradual evolution down. But who said that God couldn't have created Man in his own image through the process of evolution? It makes enough sense, to me at least.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

about falsifiability CptJsparrow, how can I falsify ANY event that occured 2000 years ago?

CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]You can not really prove that something could happen two thousand years ago -- the most you can do is apply logic of the modern world, which is why I explained that we at least know that it is possible for the authors of the gospels to have been mad or lying while in the case of the resurrection we do not know. I do not think that this should matter to Christians conversing with Christians, however.notconspiracy

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]You can not really prove that something could happen two thousand years ago -- the most you can do is apply logic of the modern world, which is why I explained that we at least know that it is possible for the authors of the gospels to have been mad or lying while in the case of the resurrection we do not know. I do not think that this should matter to Christians conversing with Christians, however.CptJSparrow

I think that whenever someone asks "why do you believe in God?" there must be a predefined meaning of who or what God is.

God in the sense of religion is illogical by scientific point of view.

God in the sense of science is naive by the religious point of view.

Science, through the principles upon which it was developed (Scientific Method) however, cannot prove nor disprove the existence of God.

I do not believe in a God in a Judeo-Christian fashion, but I do believe in a God in the sense of an Alpha needed to precede some Beta.

To belive in God because "there is nothing to lose, but a great deal to gain," is a flawed standpoint. To believe in a God simply because fear led you to do as such, contradicts the principles of religion.

Back to what I was trying to say, God is a phenomenon that cannot be explained. Science, through its mathematical analysis of our universe believes that the universe was created by the Big Bang. Astronomers and Astrophysicists gathered experimental data to define how our universe was created. Lets call the Universe 'Beta' in which it was derived through the Big Bang. Now we as humans will try to find the Alpha to our Beta, because nature has programmed us to question beginning and end. When we think of the Big Bang and ask, "What came before the Big Bang?" we cannot come to a logical conclusion because humans cannot grasp the idea of nothingness. There needs to be a finite beginning and end in our minds.

To believe in an infinte beginning and end is illogical by the basis of human thought process. I believe that this is the reason why many people believe in a religious form of God, because it gives a definite answer to what is otherwise unexplainable.

No matter what defense you may have to back up your own believes whether scientific or religious, it will ultimately be flawed by the principles upon which each was created.

i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustchicken_slasher

What created god.

See what I did thar?

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustkruesader

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

[QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Energy, by scientific definition is finite.

To say "a planet was created by dust,what created dust? what created th thing that created dust" is my main point. You're basically saying "God created earth. Who created God? Who created God? Who created God?"

You bind yourself in an infinte loop whole with no escape.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustkruesader

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

[QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustxxDustmanxx

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

Energy has been proven to exist, while god has not been proven to exist.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustxxDustmanxx

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

Energy has been proven to exist, while god has not been proven to exist.

But this also gives a possibility god could of always existed. Even if he hasnt been proven.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

Because the human mind cannot grasp the idea of an infinite existence without undeniable proof.

Science has proven that Energy is a constant through the scientific method. The idea behind the scientific method is to take a statement and do everything in your power to disprove it. Energy has triumphed to be proven as somthing that has a finite quantity. Energy simply takes on different forms as it is transfered. ie. You eat food (which has a finite quantity of enegry) and it is transformed into the ability for a human to do work. The proof is in the mathematical analysis.

You cannot argue that 1+1 = 2 in its most simplistic form. The existence of energy to be constant and infinte takes on the same principle and makes it more complex. Numbers don't lie.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dustdann14v

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

Because the human mind cannot grasp the idea of an infinite existence without undeniable proof.

Science has proven that Energy is a constant through the scientific method. The idea behind the scientific method is to take a statement and do everything in your power to disprove it. Energy has triumphed to be proven as somthing that has a finite quantity. Energy simply takes on different forms as it is transfered. ie. You eat food (which has a finite quantity of enegry) and it is transformed into the ability for a human to do work. The proof is in the mathematical analysis.

You cannot argue that 1+1 = 2 in its most simplistic form. The existence of energy to be constant and infinte takes on the same principle and makes it more complex. Numbers don't lie.

But energy is Eternal because it has always existed.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="kruesader"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]i believe in god because there is no way else to explain everything .. a planet was created by dust.. what created the dust? what created the thing that created dust123625

What created god.

See what I did thar?

Is energy eternal?

Can it be created or destroyed?

Answer the question.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

Therefore it has always existed. Now i ask you, why can't god of always exist?

Energy has been proven to exist, while god has not been proven to exist.

But this also gives a possibility god could of always existed. Even if he hasnt been proven.

Yes but if god existed he or she would be a conscious being, energy is a force of nature.It simply exists.

ok, here i come.

Religion is only a method for humans to find a way to fill their heads with boards that cover the open spaces that are too wide to mentally cross. I garuntee whatever you think is right (whether you are atheist, christian, jewish, muslim) is wrong. Humans are in capable at the current moment to ever know what is beyond death, and before time.

So choose your fancy, but dont expect others to fall along that path.

/rant

ok, here i come.

Religion is only a method for humans to find a way to fill their heads with boards that cover the open spaces that are too wide to mentally cross. I garuntee whatever you think is right (whether you are atheist, christian, jewish, muslim) is wrong. Humans are in capable at the current moment to ever know what is beyond death, and before time.

So choose your fancy, but dont expect others to fall along that path.

/rant

xxQuadropwnedxx

QFT

But energy is Eternal because it has always existed.

Precicely, and this is the result of undeniable proof.

Now if I ask you to proof that God exists, your answer will be based on conjecture, not proof.

Energy has a great deal of proof behind it because scientists worked endlessly to disprove their own conjectures.

Yes but if god existed he or she would be a conscious being, energy is a force of nature.It simply exists.

xxDustmanxx

If god exists he would be above energy ,able to use it and manipulate it to his will. So if Energy is eternal why can't god be eternal? Would he not be above it? or quite possibly apart of energy?

dann14v

But energy is Eternal because it has always existed.

Precicely, and this is the result of undeniable proof.

Now if I ask you to proof that God exists, your answer will be based on conjecture, not proof.

Energy has a great deal of proof behind it because scientists worked endlessly to disprove their own conjectures.

Not trying to prove gods existence just saying its possible for him to be eternal. Thus trying to get rid of that question Who made god?

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Yes but if god existed he or she would be a conscious being, energy is a force of nature.It simply exists.

123625

If god exists he would be above energy ,able to use it and manipulate it to his will. So if Energy is eternal why can't god be eternal? Would he not be above it? or quite possibly apart of energy?

Depends on what your idea of a god is.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]

Yes but if god existed he or she would be a conscious being, energy is a force of nature.It simply exists.

xxDustmanxx

If god exists he would be above energy ,able to use it and manipulate it to his will. So if Energy is eternal why can't god be eternal? Would he not be above it? or quite possibly apart of energy?

Depends on what your idea of a god is.

Infinietely powerful being capable of whatever he wants.

[QUOTE="dann14v"]123625

But energy is Eternal because it has always existed.

Precicely, and this is the result of undeniable proof.

Now if I ask you to proof that God exists, your answer will be based on conjecture, not proof.

Energy has a great deal of proof behind it because scientists worked endlessly to disprove their own conjectures.

Not trying to prove gods existence just saying its possible for him to be eternal. Thus trying to get rid of that question Who made god?

Your logic is flawed. You cannot get rid of the question as to who made God without first proving that God exists.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="dann14v"]dann14v

But energy is Eternal because it has always existed.

Precicely, and this is the result of undeniable proof.

Now if I ask you to proof that God exists, your answer will be based on conjecture, not proof.

Energy has a great deal of proof behind it because scientists worked endlessly to disprove their own conjectures.

Not trying to prove gods existence just saying its possible for him to be eternal. Thus trying to get rid of that question Who made god?

Your logic is flawed. You cannot get rid of the question as to who made God without first proving that God exists.

How is it flawed? Im just saying its possible for god to of always existed, if he is indeed all powerful that is. Not rying to prove god exists. Just saying its possible for him to always exist.

Your logic is flawed because you cannot say God has always existed without first proving God actually exists.

It is like saying you want to disprove an apple has seeds without ever seen an apple in the first place.

Your logic is flawed because you cannot say God has always existed without first proving God actually exists.

It is like saying you want to disprove an apple has seeds without ever seen an apple in the first place.

dann14v

Not saying god has always existed, saying its possible for him to of always existed.

[QUOTE="dann14v"]

Your logic is flawed because you cannot say God has always existed without first proving God actually exists.

It is like saying you want to disprove an apple has seeds without ever seen an apple in the first place.

123625

Not saying god has always existed, saying its possible for him to of always existed.

No, it is not. Your definition of possible is flimsy to say the least.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="dann14v"]

Your logic is flawed because you cannot say God has always existed without first proving God actually exists.

It is like saying you want to disprove an apple has seeds without ever seen an apple in the first place.

dann14v

Not saying god has always existed, saying its possible for him to of always existed.

No, it is not. Your definition of possible is flimsy to say the least.

So its impossible for god to not always exis? Even if he is all powerful and above all else? Including energy?

Its just logic.

Because I'd rather believe in a God, then die and find out there isn't one, rather than not believe in a God, then die and find out there is one. Sort of a "just in case" scenario.KH-mixerX

Like I said on an earlier post:

To belive in God because "there is nothing to lose, but a great deal to gain," is a flawed standpoint. To believe in a God simply because fear led you to do as such, contradicts the principles of religion and faith. If there was a God, do you strongly believe, after reading the bible/qu'ran etc., that he will admit you into heaven not because you had faith but because you were afraid of his wrath?

I've read the bible. According to the bible, you would burn in hell.