Why do you guys listen to bad music?

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#101 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

try clearing your cache.

it worked for me, im able to use firefox and visit all the boards.

not sure f it will work on IE, though worth a try.

konvikt_17

2 things: 1st: Im a sh*t at electronics. So whats a cache? :P 2nd, check out the meme I made for this thread.

saw the meme:P

i dont really know what a cache is, i think it has somethng to do with memory or something.

but yea, i just cleared my cache then logged out then back in, as Jody had instructed, and im able to use FF.

FF...... .F = Fighting-- F = Fan..................................................................... NO................... NO WAY....................... YOU'RE FIGHTING FAN???????? FVCK NO!!!!!!
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#102 soulless4now
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No such thing as a bad music. We all just have different tastes like those people who like Nickelback.

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#103 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] 2 things: 1st: Im a sh*t at electronics. So whats a cache? :P 2nd, check out the meme I made for this thread.Kevlar101

saw the meme:P

i dont really know what a cache is, i think it has somethng to do with memory or something.

but yea, i just cleared my cache then logged out then back in, as Jody had instructed, and im able to use FF.

FF...... .F = Fighting-- F = Fan..................................................................... NO................... NO WAY....................... YOU'RE FIGHTING FAN???????? FVCK NO!!!!!!

FF=FireFox in this context.

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#104 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

saw the meme:P

i dont really know what a cache is, i think it has somethng to do with memory or something.

but yea, i just cleared my cache then logged out then back in, as Jody had instructed, and im able to use FF.

konvikt_17

FF...... .F = Fighting-- F = Fan..................................................................... NO................... NO WAY....................... YOU'RE FIGHTING FAN???????? FVCK NO!!!!!!

FF=FireFox in this context.

Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.
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#105 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] FF...... .F = Fighting-- F = Fan..................................................................... NO................... NO WAY....................... YOU'RE FIGHTING FAN???????? FVCK NO!!!!!!Kevlar101

FF=FireFox in this context.

Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.

lol. any luck with getting out of this thread?

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#106 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] FF...... .F = Fighting-- F = Fan..................................................................... NO................... NO WAY....................... YOU'RE FIGHTING FAN???????? FVCK NO!!!!!!Kevlar101

FF=FireFox in this context.

Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.

Wait....... "In this context"??????? WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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#107 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

FF=FireFox in this context.

Kevlar101

Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.

Wait....... "In this context"??????? WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

well clearly we are talking about web browsers not Fightingfan.

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#108 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

FF=FireFox in this context.

konvikt_17

Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.

lol. any luck with getting out of this thread?

So, all I ahve to do is clear my history?
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#109 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.Kevlar101

lol. any luck with getting out of this thread?

So, all I ahve to do is clear my history?

thats what worked for me.

i cant promise you anything though, as i have not used IE in years. i actually dont remember the last i used IE:P

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#110 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="Kevlar101"] Thank god...... I got so scared that I almost broke something.konvikt_17

Wait....... "In this context"??????? WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

well clearly we are talking about web browsers not Fightingfan.

Yeah but..... nevermind.
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#111 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] Wait....... "In this context"??????? WHAT??!?!?!?!?!?!?!Kevlar101

well clearly we are talking about web browsers not Fightingfan.

Yeah but..... nevermind.

ah. i actually quite like Fightingfan though.

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#112 CountBleck12
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I don't. :|

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#113 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

lol. any luck with getting out of this thread?

konvikt_17

So, all I ahve to do is clear my history?

thats what worked for me.

i cant promise you anything though, as i have not used IE in years. i actually dont remember the last i used IE:P

I know, IE sucks lol well, I will try, but let me say this: I got into this thread because it was the current featured thread, but its no longer the featured thread, so the only way I was ever able to get back to this thread if I left, was through my history, but im erasing the history, so if this does not work, I will not be able to return to this thread. Its sad really....... I will try to appear in the next featured thread if this erase history thing does not work. I will see you on the other side, friend.
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#114 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] So, all I ahve to do is clear my history?Kevlar101

thats what worked for me.

i cant promise you anything though, as i have not used IE in years. i actually dont remember the last i used IE:P

I know, IE sucks lol well, I will try, but let me say this: I got into this thread because it was the current featured thread, but its no longer the featured thread, so the only way I was ever able to get back to this thread if I left, was through my history, but im erasing the history, so if this does not work, I will not be able to return to this thread. Its sad really....... I will try to appear in the next featured thread if this erase history thing does not work. I will see you on the other side, friend.

you could always leave this page open just in case. just use different tabs.

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#115 Kevlar101
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[QUOTE="Kevlar101"][QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

thats what worked for me.

i cant promise you anything though, as i have not used IE in years. i actually dont remember the last i used IE:P

konvikt_17

I know, IE sucks lol well, I will try, but let me say this: I got into this thread because it was the current featured thread, but its no longer the featured thread, so the only way I was ever able to get back to this thread if I left, was through my history, but im erasing the history, so if this does not work, I will not be able to return to this thread. Its sad really....... I will try to appear in the next featured thread if this erase history thing does not work. I will see you on the other side, friend.

you could always leave this page open just in case. just use different tabs.

I never considered that.......
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#116 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="Kevlar101"] I know, IE sucks lol well, I will try, but let me say this: I got into this thread because it was the current featured thread, but its no longer the featured thread, so the only way I was ever able to get back to this thread if I left, was through my history, but im erasing the history, so if this does not work, I will not be able to return to this thread. Its sad really....... I will try to appear in the next featured thread if this erase history thing does not work. I will see you on the other side, friend.Kevlar101

you could always leave this page open just in case. just use different tabs.

I never considered that.......

haha yea tabs are awesome.

usually at any given time, i have about 3-5 tabs open.

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#117 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] There's a lot more to music than pure enjoyment of said music. :|

Uh, I'm going to disagree with you there. Music is entertainment, I can't think of anything else I've ever used music for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. What does that have to do with what you previously said? I mean that, what does what I'm quoting now, have to do with the other post I replied to? Where is the connection?

I have to disagree. Not particularly with respect to music, since I'm not really a music guy. But music is art, and art in general isn't about entertainment. Certainly can be entertainment, but that's certainly not the end goal. Right off hand, another very relevant common use of art is as a means to manipulate people into acting a certain way.
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#118 ShadowMoses900
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The screaming metal music is garbage. It is not music, it is not art. It is just brainless and talentless yelling with no point in the songs. Rap is also a genre with a lot of grabage in it. Sexism and homophobic and racism, I do not see how people could listen to that and think it's good music.

But in the end it is all subjective. I remember when I was in High School though a lot of people would just listen to certain music or genres because they think it gives them an identitiy.

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#120 MrGeezer
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No such thing as a bad music. We all just have different tastes like those people who like Nickelback.

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I don't really like that argument, because that's sort of an excuse for mediocrity. Anyone can make a crappy song/painting/photograph/movie and dismiss criticisms by saying "well it's not bad or anything, the people who don't like it just have different tastes." But that's sort of lame. That's the end of discussion right there. The end of exchanging ideas, the end of understanding the WHY behind things. The important thing isn't that people do or do not like a thing, the important thing is WHY they do or do not like it. And understanding that is really the only way to make better art and/or gain a greater appreciation of the art that other people make. Now granted, there's nothing wrong with just liking something "just because". Hell, I like stuff "just because". The thing to realize is that a lot of that stuff probably IS crap by any kind of informed standards. There's nothing wrong with "just liking it". But if the only thing one can say about it is "I like it so it's good to me", then they can't credibly state that it is actually good. "I like it" isn't a statement about the art, it's a statement about the observer. Whereas "it's good" is a statement about the art. Don't confuse the two...those statements aren't interchangeable because they aren't even referring to the same thing. But I just hate the misconception that art is entirely subjective. It isn't. Sure, there is a big element of subjectivity, but acting like that's all there is to it diminishes art in general. It's like...an insult to art. It's like saying that Big Rigs isn't a WORSE game than something highly praised such as ICO. That there's no such thing as bad games, it's simply that people have different tastes. Or Vanilla Ice isn't a WORSE artist than Bach, people have different tastes. Or that Plan 9 From Outer Space isn't a WORSE movie than There Will Be Blood. People just have different tastes. And that's sort of bull$***. Yes, some stuff is good even if you don't like it. Yes, some stuff is bad even if you do like it. But it's most DEFINITELY true that some stuff is absolutely better than others. Now, as far as WHY this is good and that is bad, that's the question. But that's what discussion is for. We don't even get to that question until we accept that some stuff IS worse than others. As long as we sit around acting like nothing's worse than anything else and that the only difference is in our personal preferences, then everything's equal and then there's not even any use in trying.
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#121 dissonantblack
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Sometimes i listen to it for laughs.

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#122 sAndroid17
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="indzman"]

define bad music :P

Metal and rock and other stuff OT likes

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#123 Nude_Dude
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That sounds to me like an oxymoronical paradoxical contraction. For example being an ant and a banana at the same time is almost a paradox. themajormayor
Open a book sometime As for me, I listen mostly to neoclassical-influenced music, I know you like this stuff.
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#124 CondorCalabasas
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] There's a lot more to music than pure enjoyment of said music. :|MrGeezer
Uh, I'm going to disagree with you there. Music is entertainment, I can't think of anything else I've ever used music for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. What does that have to do with what you previously said? I mean that, what does what I'm quoting now, have to do with the other post I replied to? Where is the connection?

I have to disagree. Not particularly with respect to music, since I'm not really a music guy. But music is art, and art in general isn't about entertainment. Certainly can be entertainment, but that's certainly not the end goal. Right off hand, another very relevant common use of art is as a means to manipulate people into acting a certain way.

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So you agree then?

Art is entertainment.

No piece of art at any point in time has ever manipulated someone into acting a certain way.

Entertainment is the end goal of art, sorry, you are wrong.

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#126 MrGeezer
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I guess if you say it enough times, that'll make it true, huh?
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#127 MrPraline
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Here's some music OT would consider "bad". Boom. Pretty decent mash up.
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I guess if you say it enough times, that'll make it true, huh?MrGeezer
Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!
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#129 DraugenCP
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Entertainment is the end goal of artCondorCalabasas


lol no

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#130 CondorCalabasas
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"]Entertainment is the end goal of artDraugenCP



lol no

Its fun to troll isn't it? Don't worry, most people don't bother even attempting discussions with me. If you've seen any of the discussions I've had, I just constantly embarrass people. Which wouldn't happen if their ego's weren't so sensitive, and their self esteem wasn't so low. I think most people just like you, are afraid of being embarrassed in front of this community. Which doesn't make any sense at all to me, how you could possibly care what a bunch of dorks think blows my mind.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I guess if you say it enough times, that'll make it true, huh?CondorCalabasas
Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!

Do you enjoy looking like a jackass?

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#132 GazaAli
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What's wrong with Belgium?
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#133 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!

Or, you know...you could simply prove your claims. I fail to see where you've proven that all art is entertainment (which would be sort of hard to do in the first place without having studied all art), all you've done is restate your claim.
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What's wrong with Belgium?GazaAli
Some parts of it speak French. Go for the Vlaams/faux Dutch parts. ;]
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!

Or, you know...you could simply prove your claims. I fail to see where you've proven that all art is entertainment (which would be sort of hard to do in the first place without having studied all art), all you've done is restate your claim.

Irony. You were the one that said art wasn't entertainment, its you who needs to prove what you claim. I don't need to do anything but restate the facts, because what I said is true, and I know for a fact no one on earth is capable of proving that art is not entertainment. So good luck, after you.
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I guess if you say it enough times, that'll make it true, huh?Michael0134567

Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!

Do you enjoy looking like a jackass?

Irony. Also, its funny the person you are defending, is wrong. I'm being kind by correcting them. How ridiculous would it be if that guy was walking around in public, telling people how art isn't entertainment?
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#137 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony. You were the one that said art wasn't entertainment, its you who needs to prove what you claim. I don't need to do anything but restate the facts, because what I said is true, and I know for a fact no one on earth is capable of proving that art is not entertainment. So good luck, after you.

Advertising, for starters. A whole lot of art is made and purchased for the specific purpose of influencing behavior (in this case, getting people to buy stuff). That's merely one example. Now, your turn.
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#138 MrPraline
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MrGeezer: Not trolling, just curious, but what happened to the selectively CAPS LOCKED WORDS you used to USE in your rants? They were a big PART of your posting style. Always amusing too.
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#139 CondorCalabasas
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony. You were the one that said art wasn't entertainment, its you who needs to prove what you claim. I don't need to do anything but restate the facts, because what I said is true, and I know for a fact no one on earth is capable of proving that art is not entertainment. So good luck, after you.

Advertising, for starters. A whole lot of art is made and purchased for the specific purpose of influencing behavior (in this case, getting people to buy stuff). That's merely one example. Now, your turn.

So its entertainment then? Its meant to entertain the person long enough, that they'll pay attention to the ad. As I said, no one on earth could prove that art isn't entertainment. Its not influencing any behaviour, its entertaining the consumer, so they'll pay attention to the ad.
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#140 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]What's wrong with Belgium?MrPraline
Some parts of it speak French. Go for the Vlaams/faux Dutch parts. ;]

I forgot which is the good part if Belgium. I think they say the Flemish part is stupid lol
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#141 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony. I seem to have to ask this a lot around here. Is your ego actually that massive that you can't handle being wrong? Its okay, sometimes you are wrong, you can't be right all the time. And why do you care if I just proved you wrong? You think anyone here cares? You think anyones gonna be like "Mrgeezer, thats the guy that got corrected by condor!". No, no one cares, not even me. You can't prove a single point you made in your post, all I did was point that out. Sorry, next time you are wrong about something, I'll just ignore it. Or hey, maybe if you don't want a response to something I said, (you may want to sit down for this if you aren't already) don't reply! WOAH! right?! Crazy!CondorCalabasas

Do you enjoy looking like a jackass?

Irony. Also, its funny the person you are defending, is wrong. I'm being kind by correcting them. How ridiculous would it be if that guy was walking around in public, telling people how art isn't entertainment?

You mean how you're telling people art is only for entertainment?
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#142 mitu123
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Everyone has different taste, what's bad to one isn't bad to another, so bad music is subjective.

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#143 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"] Not trying to be antagonistic, as I don't know what music you like, but music isn't good (Nor is it bad) just because one likes it. Ring_of_fire

It's good to me because I like it. Not saying it's good in general, and everyone should like it/if you don't, then you should kill yourself. It's like the longer version of "music is subjective" :P.

All I am saying is that just because one likes a certain music, that it's not necessarily "good". (Good is a value judgement, I know. By "good" i think I really just mean how the music actually is structured, and how it fits into the genre/style of music. There will always be good examples and bad examples of each genre.)

Let me attempt to clarify my point: take my favorite style of music: Classical. the general public only hears about the Great composers (with Pachebel's canon somehow sneaking in) but there are many more mediocre to bad composers out there. Sure, Diittersdorf might have done nothing wrong in his compositions, but they are extremely, for the lack of a better term, boring. To take another example from the classical realm, but to the 20th century. Is atonal music bad because on first listening one might one might not enjoy it?

Perhaps I am taking this to far from my classical world.....but it is just how I view music.

Man where were you when greyseal said music depends on the listener as to whether it is good or bad.
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#144 chessmaster1989
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I listen to plenty of music that I think's pretty stupid, because it's fun to listen to.

A good example :P

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#145 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] It's good to me because I like it. Not saying it's good in general, and everyone should like it/if you don't, then you should kill yourself. It's like the longer version of "music is subjective" :P.LJS9502_basic

All I am saying is that just because one likes a certain music, that it's not necessarily "good". (Good is a value judgement, I know. By "good" i think I really just mean how the music actually is structured, and how it fits into the genre/style of music. There will always be good examples and bad examples of each genre.)

Let me attempt to clarify my point: take my favorite style of music: Classical. the general public only hears about the Great composers (with Pachebel's canon somehow sneaking in) but there are many more mediocre to bad composers out there. Sure, Diittersdorf might have done nothing wrong in his compositions, but they are extremely, for the lack of a better term, boring. To take another example from the classical realm, but to the 20th century. Is atonal music bad because on first listening one might one might not enjoy it?

Perhaps I am taking this to far from my classical world.....but it is just how I view music.

Man where were you when greyseal said music depends on the listener as to whether it is good or bad.

He posted right after me, I think. Probably just didn't feel like I needed to say the same thing as I just did.
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#146 Suzy_Q_Kazoo
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I like my music.

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#147 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Uh, I'm going to disagree with you there. Music is entertainment, I can't think of anything else I've ever used music for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. What does that have to do with what you previously said? I mean that, what does what I'm quoting now, have to do with the other post I replied to? Where is the connection?CondorCalabasas

I have to disagree. Not particularly with respect to music, since I'm not really a music guy. But music is art, and art in general isn't about entertainment. Certainly can be entertainment, but that's certainly not the end goal. Right off hand, another very relevant common use of art is as a means to manipulate people into acting a certain way.

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So you agree then?

Art is entertainment.

No piece of art at any point in time has ever manipulated someone into acting a certain way.

Entertainment is the end goal of art, sorry, you are wrong.

Entertainment is not the end goal of music nor art. I don't think anyone will argue that there isn't an entertainment aspect to music/art, but to say the end goal is simply entertainment is simplifying music and reeks of ignorance. For one example that is universal, regardless of genre (In western music, and maybe except folk): To make money. That was one of the goals for musicians.
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#148 Celldrax
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I listen to plenty of music that I think's pretty stupid, because it's fun to listen to.

A good example :P

chessmaster1989

Hmm.....I'm considering going for a bottle of Captain Morgan, tonight. This just may help with my desicion.

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#149 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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It comes to down to taste. What one person may perceive as 'good music', the other will think it's bad and avoid listening it. See?
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#150 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Its meant to entertain the person long enough, that they'll pay attention to the ad.

Which, uh, sort of means that entertainment isn't the end goal in those cases. An advertising campaign isn't considered a success if people are entertained by it, it's considered a success if it increases sales. "Entertainment" is the "end goal" for SOME art, but making a blanket statement that that's true for ALL art is simply ignorant. If there's anything true for all art, it's that art is a means of communication. And like any other form of communication, the "end goal" can vary by a little or a lot. Some art has the "end goal" of entertainment, some art has an "end goal" of intimidation, some art has an "end goal" of education or spreading propaganda.