Why does the US care about Israel so much?

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

Because they are better than the neighbouring countries.

It's the Jewish lobbying group that bribes Congress to support Israel under any circumstances.

If it wasn't for the bribery, the U.S. wouldn't care very much about Israel at all.

Elections.

It's all about AIPAC and the massive amount of money they give to politicians + the entire Jewish vote.

For the average American however, we couldn't give a rat's ass about Israel.

They are in the middle east and not Muslim.

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

Israel has the only sane and non theocratic government in the region.

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

SirWander

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

iHarlequin

Israel has the only sane and non theocratic government in the region.

IustitiaMaximus

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

iHarlequin

That's the justification we like to give.

But we all know the real reason was bribery...just like the real reason we went into Iraq is to make lots of money off of Iraq's natural oil deposits.

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Suppose Congress received absolutely no bribes from Jewish lobbyist groups.

Would we really have chosen Israel to prop up and support, despite being surrounded by enemies?

Or would we have backed a different country instead?

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

peterw007

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

iHarlequin

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

sherman-tank1

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

peterw007

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

By support I meant "donations" and other such monetary contributions.

I guess I should of put quotation marks on support to underline the seedy nature of such support.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

Crunchy_Nuts

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

LJS9502_basic

As others have said, AIPAC. When the President and every major presidential candidate feel it's necessary to address their annual meeting, you know someting's up.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="SirWander"]

It's zionist conspiracy!!!!!

naw, politicians just act like they care for the jewish vote and support.

Crunchy_Nuts

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

Don't Pakistan and Saudi Arabia receive billions from the US for different things?

9/11. Just a few years before, a two-state solution was basically within reach. Now it's a pipe dream.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

Guybrush_3

Don't Pakistan and Saudi Arabia receive billions from the US for different things?

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

And yet they neglect the Muslim vote and support?

It seems more like a case of bribery.

Don't Pakistan and Saudi Arabia receive billions from the US for different things?

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

killerband55

[QUOTE="killerband55"]

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

[QUOTE="killerband55"]

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

sherman-tank1

No, it doesn't. Here:

1.) Several countries in the middle east have oil.

2.) Israel is in the middle east! Sadly, it does not have oil ( :( ).

3.) U.S. forges an alliance with Israel and turns it into a military power in the region. They give it money, resources and military aid to have influence in the region. With that...

4.) They secure indirect control over the oil, which is what they really needed! Well, what the developed west needed. A country in the middle east on which they could rely, preferrably with or neighbouring those with oil.

I really could make this more elaborate, but your reply wasn't. So that's that.

"Muslim countries get aid money as well. :|"

You can't really compare the aid Muslim countries get compared to the aid the US gives to Israel, military and financially.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Sorry for the delay, was in a match.

[QUOTE="killerband55"]

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

sherman-tank1

that was kinda the point of my post

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="killerband55"]

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

EsYuGee

Japan? (today i mean, not in the past)

because the jews have been kicked around all throughout history for far too long?

[QUOTE="EsYuGee"][QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]If only that was true.

killerband55

Japan? (today i mean, not in the past)

Edit: Sorry to be off-topic. You can back to the regularly scheduled US-Israeli program now.

It's the Jewish lobbying group that bribes Congress to support Israel under any circumstances.

If it wasn't for the bribery, the U.S. wouldn't care very much about Israel at all.

peterw007

Elections.

It's all about AIPAC and the massive amount of money they give to politicians + the entire Jewish vote.

For the average American however, we couldn't give a rat's ass about Israel.

Blue-Sky

The pro-Zionist propaganda that issues forth from the Jewish-controlled media has poisoned the minds of most Americans.

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

peterw007

That's the justification we like to give.

But we all know the real reason was bribery...just like the real reason we went into Iraq is to make lots of money off of Iraq's natural oil deposits.

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Suppose Congress received absolutely no bribes from Jewish lobbyist groups.

Would we really have chosen Israel to prop up and support, despite being surrounded by enemies?

Or would we have backed a different country instead?

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

iHarlequin

No, it doesn't. Here:

1.) Several countries in the middle east have oil.

2.) Israel is in the middle east! Sadly, it does not have oil ( :( ).

3.) U.S. forges an alliance with Israel and turns it into a military power in the region. They give it money, resources and military aid to have influence in the region. With that...

4.) They secure indirect control over the oil, which is what they really needed! Well, what the developed west needed. A country in the middle east on which they could rely, preferrably with or neighbouring those with oil.

I really could make this more elaborate, but your reply wasn't. So that's that.

"Muslim countries get aid money as well. :|"

You can't really compare the aid Muslim countries get compared to the aid the US gives to Israel, military and financially.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Sorry for the delay, was in a match.

Simple really. US has a problem with most of the Arab countries an wants to protect it's interest in oil; Israel is an ally and happens to be located near the Arab countries. It's all about proximity.

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]Yeah because Israel has a lot of oil.

themajormayor

No, it doesn't. Here:

1.) Several countries in the middle east have oil.

2.) Israel is in the middle east! Sadly, it does not have oil ( :( ).

3.) U.S. forges an alliance with Israel and turns it into a military power in the region. They give it money, resources and military aid to have influence in the region. With that...

4.) They secure indirect control over the oil, which is what they really needed! Well, what the developed west needed. A country in the middle east on which they could rely, preferrably with or neighbouring those with oil.

I really could make this more elaborate, but your reply wasn't. So that's that.

"Muslim countries get aid money as well. :|"

You can't really compare the aid Muslim countries get compared to the aid the US gives to Israel, military and financially.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Sorry for the delay, was in a match.

Discovery of possibly (as in, not sure and not being extracted yet) large reserves of oil in Israel is recent, as in, last year. It's also not the reason: as I said, roughly 18% of the U.S. oil (national and international) is from the middle east (notably Iraq and Saudi Arabia)

[QUOTE="sherman-tank1"]

[QUOTE="killerband55"]

you mean US cares about other countries as well?

EsYuGee

Ironic, when two of the worst insults I'll hear towards are US are about the US being too much of a world police meddling in the affairs around the world, and how the US doesn't get involved enough in the affairs around the world.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

No, it doesn't. Here:

1.) Several countries in the middle east have oil.

2.) Israel is in the middle east! Sadly, it does not have oil ( :( ).

3.) U.S. forges an alliance with Israel and turns it into a military power in the region. They give it money, resources and military aid to have influence in the region. With that...

4.) They secure indirect control over the oil, which is what they really needed! Well, what the developed west needed. A country in the middle east on which they could rely, preferrably with or neighbouring those with oil.

I really could make this more elaborate, but your reply wasn't. So that's that.

"Muslim countries get aid money as well. :|"

You can't really compare the aid Muslim countries get compared to the aid the US gives to Israel, military and financially.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Sorry for the delay, was in a match.

iHarlequin

Discovery of possibly (as in, not sure and not being extracted yet) large reserves of oil in Israel is recent, as in, last year. It's also not the reason: as I said, roughly 18% of the U.S. oil (national and international) is from the middle east (notably Iraq and Saudi Arabia)

There are reserves of oil in Israel that is being extracted though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meged_oil_field

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heletz_oil_field

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="iHarlequin"]

The only reason that matters, the largest one and the one that warrants their full support in any relevant matter, is the U.S. needing a stable country in the middle east, due to their energy resources (read: oil).

themajormayor

That's the justification we like to give.

But we all know the real reason was bribery...just like the real reason we went into Iraq is to make lots of money off of Iraq's natural oil deposits.

-

Suppose Congress received absolutely no bribes from Jewish lobbyist groups.

Would we really have chosen Israel to prop up and support, despite being surrounded by enemies?

Or would we have backed a different country instead?

Lobbying is just a fancy name for bribery.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

That's the justification we like to give.

But we all know the real reason was bribery...just like the real reason we went into Iraq is to make lots of money off of Iraq's natural oil deposits.

-

Suppose Congress received absolutely no bribes from Jewish lobbyist groups.

Would we really have chosen Israel to prop up and support, despite being surrounded by enemies?

Or would we have backed a different country instead?

peterw007

Lobbying is just a fancy name for bribery.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

That's the justification we like to give.

But we all know the real reason was bribery...just like the real reason we went into Iraq is to make lots of money off of Iraq's natural oil deposits.

-

Suppose Congress received absolutely no bribes from Jewish lobbyist groups.

Would we really have chosen Israel to prop up and support, despite being surrounded by enemies?

Or would we have backed a different country instead?

peterw007

Lobbying is just a fancy name for bribery.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] You have proof of any bribes?themajormayor

Lobbying is just a fancy name for bribery.

Exactly.

The actions of Congress are determined by whoever bribes them with the most money, while the thoughts and opinions of the majority are absolutely useless.

It's good that you're starting to see the inherent corruption of our political structure.

This is precisely why the political model of a Democratic Republic is heavily flawed.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Lobbying is just a fancy name for bribery.

peterw007

Exactly.

The actions of Congress are determined by who bribes them with the most money, while the thoughts and opinions of the majority are absolutely useless.

It's good that you're starting to see the inherent corruption of our political structure.

This is precisely why the political model of a Democratic Republic is heavily flawed.