Why does the US care about Israel so much?

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Isn't lobbying the foundation of the whole country?LJS9502_basic

Exactly.

The actions of Congress are determined by who bribes them with the most money, while the thoughts and opinions of the majority are absolutely useless.

It's good that you're starting to see the inherent corruption of our political structure.

This is precisely why the political model of a Democratic Republic is heavily flawed.

Lobbyist groups like to use propaganda to sway the interests of the American public.

Everyone's affected by their tactics, so when they bribe Congress to introduce and support their legislation, the American public is more receptive to it.

Would the average American really have decided to support investing billions of dollars into propping up Israel...instead of just allying with another Muslim democracy instead?

That's like asking: "Would the average American willingly choose to raise their own taxes if it meant fewer taxes for other people?"

The answer is obvious.

Israel takes way too much effort and money to try and maintain on its own merits.

Its existence has been the source of endless conflict for 50+ years.

Because we think we have some religious/moral reason to keep them protected, even though they antagonize surrounding countries.imaps3fanboy

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Exactly.

The actions of Congress are determined by who bribes them with the most money, while the thoughts and opinions of the majority are absolutely useless.

It's good that you're starting to see the inherent corruption of our political structure.

This is precisely why the political model of a Democratic Republic is heavily flawed.

peterw007

Lobbyist groups like to use propaganda to sway the interests of the American public.

Everyone's affected by their tactics, so when they bribe Congress to introduce and support their legislation, the American public is more receptive to it.

Would the average American really have decided to support investing billions of dollars into propping up Israel...instead of just allying with another Muslim democracy instead?

That's like asking: "Would the average American willingly choose to raise their own taxes if it meant fewer taxes for other people?"

The answer is obvious.

Israel takes way too much effort and money to try and maintain on its own merits.

Its existence has been the source of endless conflict for 50+ years.

Why then do you spend way way WAY more money into propping up various muslim countries(including PNA)?

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Because we think we have some religious/moral reason to keep them protected, even though they antagonize surrounding countries.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]Because we think we have some religious/moral reason to keep them protected, even though they antagonize surrounding countries.imaps3fanboy

Not really.

They weren't reallocated. Jews have lived there for millenia. In the 19th century waves of immigration started and when the partition plan was proposed there were already hundreds of thousands of Jews there. And besides, just cause the Arabs didn't like it isn't a reason to deny Jews their human rights.

Because they are better than the neighbouring countries.

Crunchy_Nuts

Sorry this isn't true what so ever as the reason why.. They are supported due to after the 1979 revolt of Iran in which the US lost their pro Western ally of the region in the Cold War.. Israel was their only other choice.. During this times the Zionist lobby AIPEC has cultivated powerful ties with the US politicians to the point that both parties in bed with them.. That is why Israel has basically been given a free walk from any consquences of their actions within the UN and always given a stready stream of income.. They are actually a liability to the US's policies within the Middle East.. That is why US has begged Israel not to involve them with ANY operations within the Middle East directly that the US is involved in.. Israel serves no strategic value in securing the Middle East, in fact most woudl argue they area detriment to the security seeing as many organizations and governments are hostile towards the US specifically for their unquestionable support of Israel.. I hope that one day that the US government has the balls to give Israel the finger, that Israel can no longer do what it wants with out impunity that our alliance and support is actually given by RESULTS and bench marks made by Israel, and not the unquestionable leg humping support that it is now.

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yup being attacked unprovoked countless times is definitely antagonizing. themajormayor

Not really.

They weren't reallocated. Jews have lived there for millenia. In the 19th century waves of immigration started and when the partition plan was proposed there were already hundreds of thousands of Jews there. And besides, just cause the Arabs didn't like it isn't a reason to deny Jews their human rights.

I am sorry but no.. There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews there, and no the partition plan wasn't even suggested until the late 1920s to 1930s.. The Balfour declarationby the British wasn't even created until like 1919 and then it was EXTREMELY VAGUE.The 19th century began with the Zionist movement began with Herzle that actually originally wanted it to be within Kenya.. Furthermore the Jews within Palestine resented the new Jewish immigrants for two reasons, they increased Muslim unrestand they were excluded largely from the zionist movement because most did not want any part in it. And yet again stop trying to suggest that ancestors lived there thousands of year ago gives some legitimate reason to forcibly remove people from lands or other such absurd thing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="peterw007"]

Exactly.

The actions of Congress are determined by who bribes them with the most money, while the thoughts and opinions of the majority are absolutely useless.

It's good that you're starting to see the inherent corruption of our political structure.

This is precisely why the political model of a Democratic Republic is heavily flawed.

peterw007

Lobbyist groups like to use propaganda to sway the interests of the American public.

Everyone's affected by their tactics, so when they bribe Congress to introduce and support their legislation, the American public is more receptive to it.

Would the average American really have decided to support investing billions of dollars into propping up Israel...instead of just allying with another Muslim democracy instead?

That's like asking: "Would the average American willingly choose to raise their own taxes if it meant fewer taxes for other people?"

The answer is obvious.

Israel takes way too much effort and money to try and maintain on its own merits.

Its existence has been the source of endless conflict for 50+ years.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] A lot of those attacks are definitely provoked. It really wasn't a good idea to even reallocate them to that land, should of known it would turn into a religious sh** fest between the jews and the muslims.sSubZerOo

Not really.

They weren't reallocated. Jews have lived there for millenia. In the 19th century waves of immigration started and when the partition plan was proposed there were already hundreds of thousands of Jews there. And besides, just cause the Arabs didn't like it isn't a reason to deny Jews their human rights.

I am sorry but no.. There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews there, and no the partition plan wasn't even suggested until the late 1920s to 1930s.. The Balfour declarationby the British wasn't even created until like 1919 and then it was EXTREMELY VAGUE.The 19th century began with the Zionist movement began with Herzle that actually originally wanted it to be within Kenya.. Furthermore the Jews within Palestine resented the new Jewish immigrants for two reasons, they increased Muslim unrestand they were excluded largely from the zionist movement because most did not want any part in it. And yet again stop trying to suggest that ancestors lived there thousands of year ago gives some legitimate reason to forcibly remove people from lands or other such absurd thing.

What are you talking about?? I'm talking about the UN partition plan of 1947 with the point being that the Jews weren't reallocated. What you're saying is actually supporting my point since when the actual concrete plan was put forward hundreds of thousands(yes hundreds of thousands) Jews were already living there.

No Herzl didn't originally want it to be within Kenya. That make no sense whatsoever. The Uganda plan was an idea thought upon by the Brittish as a RESPONSE to Zionism which was an idea that was CREATED by Theodor Herlz. So no this later idea was not the original thought. Herzl did however accept it on a TEMPORARY basis.

Now I don't see how this is relevant in any way, but is there any way that you can prove this very subective claim? I've met decendants of such Jews and they were definitely Zionists.

When did I suggest such a thing? Wow it's really useless having any sort of discussion of you if you're going to attack a strawman in every post.

Oh and btw I'm still waiting for proof that clusterbombs were used on Beirut.

We didn't really care until after 1967. When they had their six day war with Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq they made the UK, and France angry. The french stopped supplying them with jets and the UK stopped supporting them. Its when the United States started backing them financially and giving them weapons. If you ask me its because there a good source of funds for the military industrial complex. We supplied them with surplus skyhawks in 1968 then in 1969 we started selling them brand new F-4E phantoms. We also gave them surface to air missile launchers and Patton tanks. Before that the israelis had relied on French Mirage III fighter jets and french super mysteres, British Centurion tanks and surplus American Sherman tanks.

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

Guybrush_3

because christians love israel ( not the jews), because according to their myth....the war against israel will bring jesus back, then aipac comes along using their myth with threats or bribes corrupting congress to support israel or else.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

galerouth

because christians love israel ( not the jews), because according to their myth....the war against israel will bring jesus back, then aipac comes along using their myth with threats or bribes corrupting congress to support israel or else.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Not really.

They weren't reallocated. Jews have lived there for millenia. In the 19th century waves of immigration started and when the partition plan was proposed there were already hundreds of thousands of Jews there. And besides, just cause the Arabs didn't like it isn't a reason to deny Jews their human rights.

themajormayor

I am sorry but no.. There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews there, and no the partition plan wasn't even suggested until the late 1920s to 1930s.. The Balfour declarationby the British wasn't even created until like 1919 and then it was EXTREMELY VAGUE.The 19th century began with the Zionist movement began with Herzle that actually originally wanted it to be within Kenya.. Furthermore the Jews within Palestine resented the new Jewish immigrants for two reasons, they increased Muslim unrestand they were excluded largely from the zionist movement because most did not want any part in it. And yet again stop trying to suggest that ancestors lived there thousands of year ago gives some legitimate reason to forcibly remove people from lands or other such absurd thing.

What are you talking about?? I'm talking about the UN partition plan of 1947 with the point being that the Jews weren't reallocated. What you're saying is actually supporting my point since when the actual concrete plan was put forward hundreds of thousands(yes hundreds of thousands) Jews were already living there.

No Herzl didn't originally want it to be within Kenya. That make no sense whatsoever. The Uganda plan was an idea thought upon by the Brittish as a RESPONSE to Zionism which was an idea that was CREATED by Theodor Herlz. So no this later idea was not the original thought. Herzl did however accept it on a TEMPORARY basis.

Now I don't see how this is relevant in any way, but is there any way that you can prove this very subective claim? I've met decendants of such Jews and they were definitely Zionists.

When did I suggest such a thing? Wow it's really useless having any sort of discussion of you if you're going to attack a strawman in every post.

Oh and btw I'm still waiting for proof that clusterbombs were used on Beirut.

Then you mean the 20th century, not the 19th century.. And yes he did, look it up it can be easily found.. http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/6438/in-quest-for-jewish-homeland-herzl-once-considered-uganda/.. It is useless if you can't even get your centuries correct, you said the 19th century.. That would be the 1800s.. Furthermore the UN partitions were hardly something ever considerd just or fair as a compromise.. To even suggest that this was one sided is ridiculous.. It would be great people could ge tthrough their heads that neither side is some how just or the victims.. Both sides have their vices.. Until people can get this through their heads we will never see any REAL solution to the war going on in there.

[QUOTE="galerouth"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

LJS9502_basic

because christians love israel ( not the jews), because according to their myth....the war against israel will bring jesus back, then aipac comes along using their myth with threats or bribes corrupting congress to support israel or else.

Actually to a extent this is true, come late 1980s and 1990s, AIPEC basically went into bed with the Evangelical movement..

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

ShadowMoses900

So your logic is to condone the international laws they break, the human rights violations they have committed and the war crimes they have done through the decades? Most people here aren't suggesting that Israel is some how the bad guy, only that they are held accountable.. Instead of the leg humping the US does to Israel regardless of what they do.. I want to see a conclusion to the conflict there, and unquestioningly supporting one of the sides that has proven to be just as aggressive as the others will not solve ANYTHING at the end of the day and its a detriment to US policy with other nations within the region..

I don't get it either TC.

AIPAC and the overly sensitivity towards Jews.

If one were to criticize Israel however grounded it may be, it is subject to suspicion of anti-semetisim.

It also helps that they are Jewish, because well..

1. they look white (most Israeli's do) - this helps it's not nice to say it but it's true.

2. it is the only country in the middle east that has an almost completely secular democracy that resembles the West.

3. they're from the land of Jesus, and Jesus was Jewish

4. It's in the Bible, ergo it MUST be talking about the same Israel from the time of the Bible obviously...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="galerouth"]

because christians love israel ( not the jews), because according to their myth....the war against israel will bring jesus back, then aipac comes along using their myth with threats or bribes corrupting congress to support israel or else.

sSubZerOo

Actually to a extent this is true, come late 1980s and 1990s, AIPEC basically went into bed with the Evangelical movement..

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

sSubZerOo

So your logic is to condone the international laws they break, the human rights violations they have committed and the war crimes they have done through the decades? Most people here aren't suggesting that Israel is some how the bad guy, only that they are held accountable.. Instead of the leg humping the US does to Israel regardless of what they do.. I want to see a conclusion to the conflict there, and unquestioningly supporting one of the sides that has proven to be just as aggressive as the others will not solve ANYTHING at the end of the day and its a detriment to US policy with other nations within the region..

I don't hate Arabs and Israel has done a few bad things, however they have every single right to exist and they have every right to defend themselves. They are NOT the aggressors, they are the victims once again. Israel is important to US and democracies everywhere.

Because they are one of our best allies.

AIPAC and the overly sensitivity towards Jews.

If one were to criticize Israel however grounded it may be, it is subject to suspicion of anti-semetisim.

It also helps that they are Jewish, because well..

1. they look white (most Israeli's do) - this helps it's not nice to say it but it's true.

2. it is the only country in the middle east that has an almost completely secular democracy that resembles the West.

3. they're from the land of Jesus, and Jesus was Jewish

4. It's in the Bible, ergo it MUST be talking about the same Israel from the time of the Bible obviously...

SaudiFury

Jews, at least the ethnic ones (it's an ethnicity as well) are actually related to the Arabs and part of the same racial/ethnic group. They look white because they got kicked out of the ME and were living in Europe for several hundreds of years so they adapted to it, and there was some inter breeding with other ethnic groups.

This is why Yiddish developed, it is a cross between Hebrew and Midevil German, that shows they got mixed a bit there. But genetically they are still Arabs and many of them do look pretty dark after tans. It's still there. Hebrews (the jewish ethnic group) and Arabs are cousins.

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

AIPAC and the overly sensitivity towards Jews.

If one were to criticize Israel however grounded it may be, it is subject to suspicion of anti-semetisim.

It also helps that they are Jewish, because well..

1. they look white (most Israeli's do) - this helps it's not nice to say it but it's true.

2. it is the only country in the middle east that has an almost completely secular democracy that resembles the West.

3. they're from the land of Jesus, and Jesus was Jewish

4. It's in the Bible, ergo it MUST be talking about the same Israel from the time of the Bible obviously...

ShadowMoses900

Jews, at least the ethnic ones (it's an ethnicity as well) are actually related to the Arabs and part of the same racial/ethnic group. They look white because they got kicked out of the ME and were living in Europe for several hundreds of years so they adapted to it, and there was some inter breeding with other ethnic groups.

This is why Yiddish developed, it is a cross between Hebrew and Midevil German, that shows they got mixed a bit there. But genetically they are still Arabs and many of them do look pretty dark after tans. It's still there. Hebrews (the jewish ethnic group) and Arabs are cousins.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

ShadowMoses900

So your logic is to condone the international laws they break, the human rights violations they have committed and the war crimes they have done through the decades? Most people here aren't suggesting that Israel is some how the bad guy, only that they are held accountable.. Instead of the leg humping the US does to Israel regardless of what they do.. I want to see a conclusion to the conflict there, and unquestioningly supporting one of the sides that has proven to be just as aggressive as the others will not solve ANYTHING at the end of the day and its a detriment to US policy with other nations within the region..

I don't hate Arabs and Israel has done a few bad things, however they have every single right to exist and they have every right to defend themselves. They are NOT the aggressors, they are the victims once again. Israel is important to US and democracies everywhere.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. Kennedy

Yet again if you crack open a history book on these very subjects you will see that Israel is as much the aggressor as the victim.. There is no "innocent" sidein this, Israel, Palestinains and Arabs states all have their vices.. The difference being is Israel hasn't be held accountable and the shielded by the US in the UN, that if it weren't for them Israel would have the exact same sanctions countries like Iran and North Korea have.. Yet again this has nothing to do with Israel existing or not, this has to do with whether Israel shoudl get unquestionable support.. It should most certainly NOT, NO COUNTRY should.. Yet it does at this time..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What? I don't even....LJS9502_basic

Actually to a extent this is true, come late 1980s and 1990s, AIPEC basically went into bed with the Evangelical movement..

True but Evangelicals have massive sway within one of the two major political parties of America.

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

Guybrush_3

Christians worship Jews.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]

AIPAC and the overly sensitivity towards Jews.

If one were to criticize Israel however grounded it may be, it is subject to suspicion of anti-semetisim.

It also helps that they are Jewish, because well..

1. they look white (most Israeli's do) - this helps it's not nice to say it but it's true.

2. it is the only country in the middle east that has an almost completely secular democracy that resembles the West.

3. they're from the land of Jesus, and Jesus was Jewish

4. It's in the Bible, ergo it MUST be talking about the same Israel from the time of the Bible obviously...

LJS9502_basic

Jews, at least the ethnic ones (it's an ethnicity as well) are actually related to the Arabs and part of the same racial/ethnic group. They look white because they got kicked out of the ME and were living in Europe for several hundreds of years so they adapted to it, and there was some inter breeding with other ethnic groups.

This is why Yiddish developed, it is a cross between Hebrew and Midevil German, that shows they got mixed a bit there. But genetically they are still Arabs and many of them do look pretty dark after tans. It's still there. Hebrews (the jewish ethnic group) and Arabs are cousins.

I did not know that, this is why race is a flawed subject. It doesn't really exist on a genetic level in humans, there is only one human race, there are different ethnic groups and gene pools though. But race and ethnicty are used interchangabley so whatever.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

I really don't get it. What are they doing for the US that makes them so important other than not hating the US.

ZombieKiller7

Christians worship Jews.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

ShadowMoses900

So your logic is to condone the international laws they break, the human rights violations they have committed and the war crimes they have done through the decades? Most people here aren't suggesting that Israel is some how the bad guy, only that they are held accountable.. Instead of the leg humping the US does to Israel regardless of what they do.. I want to see a conclusion to the conflict there, and unquestioningly supporting one of the sides that has proven to be just as aggressive as the others will not solve ANYTHING at the end of the day and its a detriment to US policy with other nations within the region..

I don't hate Arabs and Israel has done a few bad things, however they have every single right to exist and they have every right to defend themselves. They are NOT the aggressors, they are the victims once again. Israel is important to US and democracies everywhere.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. Kennedy

JFK really was great with speeches.

Because they are a great ally and a true defender of Democracy and human rights in a part of the world where such things don't exist.

I hope Israel kicks Irans ass, and I know they will too if Iran pushes them.

ShadowMoses900

I don't understand this sentiment of Iran pushing Israel to do anything when Iran is the nation today being pushed around and strongarmed the most with sanctions and military rhetoric thanks to Israels unnecessary fear of Iran.

Where does this idea that Iran is pushing Israel around come from?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

I am sorry but no.. There were not hundreds of thousands of Jews there, and no the partition plan wasn't even suggested until the late 1920s to 1930s.. The Balfour declarationby the British wasn't even created until like 1919 and then it was EXTREMELY VAGUE.The 19th century began with the Zionist movement began with Herzle that actually originally wanted it to be within Kenya.. Furthermore the Jews within Palestine resented the new Jewish immigrants for two reasons, they increased Muslim unrestand they were excluded largely from the zionist movement because most did not want any part in it. And yet again stop trying to suggest that ancestors lived there thousands of year ago gives some legitimate reason to forcibly remove people from lands or other such absurd thing.

sSubZerOo

What are you talking about?? I'm talking about the UN partition plan of 1947 with the point being that the Jews weren't reallocated. What you're saying is actually supporting my point since when the actual concrete plan was put forward hundreds of thousands(yes hundreds of thousands) Jews were already living there.

No Herzl didn't originally want it to be within Kenya. That make no sense whatsoever. The Uganda plan was an idea thought upon by the Brittish as a RESPONSE to Zionism which was an idea that was CREATED by Theodor Herlz. So no this later idea was not the original thought. Herzl did however accept it on a TEMPORARY basis.

Now I don't see how this is relevant in any way, but is there any way that you can prove this very subective claim? I've met decendants of such Jews and they were definitely Zionists.

When did I suggest such a thing? Wow it's really useless having any sort of discussion of you if you're going to attack a strawman in every post.

Oh and btw I'm still waiting for proof that clusterbombs were used on Beirut.

Then you mean the 20th century, not the 19th century.. And yes he did, look it up it can be easily found.. http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/6438/in-quest-for-jewish-homeland-herzl-once-considered-uganda/.. It is useless if you can't even get your centuries correct, you said the 19th century.. That would be the 1800s.. Furthermore the UN partitions were hardly something ever considerd just or fair as a compromise.. To even suggest that this was one sided is ridiculous.. It would be great people could ge tthrough their heads that neither side is some how just or the victims.. Both sides have their vices.. Until people can get this through their heads we will never see any REAL solution to the war going on in there.

No I did mean the 19th century. You just don't have any idea what we were talking about or what you are talking aout apparently... "In the 19th century waves of immigration started and when the partition plan was proposed[about 100 years later]..."

Uh that article doesn't support what you said in any way. You said "Herzle that actually originally wanted it to be within Kenya". Where in the article does it says this. In fact it says

"Herzl wrote that the Jews' future homeland could be anywhere the Jewish people wanted it to be -- but he preferred it to be in the historic Land of Israel".

"There, he declared that while the Zionist movement was committed to settling in Eretz Yisrael, it would consider plans to alleviate the plight of Jews in any method possible. He later explained to reporters that he was specifically referring to Cyprus and the Sinai Peninsula."

"When Chamberlain, in an April 1903 meeting, first raised the possibility of Jewish settlement in British East Africa -- in an area that is today part of Kenya -- Herzl rejected it."

"He managed to convince the Zionist Greater Council in Vienna in 1904 of the sincerity of his intentions to establish a Jewish state in Eretz Yisrael."

But now how in any way is this relevant to my original post? It seems you just want to score points by bringing up irrelevant issues. Points you fail to score when even your own source contradicts you.

I didn't get the centuries wrong. Immigration DID start in the 19th century and the un Partition plan was the year 1947. Try to follow ok?

Of course it wasn't just and far. The Jews got a worthless dessert and some coast. The arabs got lush areas incorporating most of the historically and religiously important areas and surrounding Jerusalem (Jewish majority city).

We will see a real solution when the Palestinian political leaders want a solution. Simple as that. This could've been solved before it even started.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

So your logic is to condone the international laws they break, the human rights violations they have committed and the war crimes they have done through the decades? Most people here aren't suggesting that Israel is some how the bad guy, only that they are held accountable.. Instead of the leg humping the US does to Israel regardless of what they do.. I want to see a conclusion to the conflict there, and unquestioningly supporting one of the sides that has proven to be just as aggressive as the others will not solve ANYTHING at the end of the day and its a detriment to US policy with other nations within the region..

sSubZerOo

I don't hate Arabs and Israel has done a few bad things, however they have every single right to exist and they have every right to defend themselves. They are NOT the aggressors, they are the victims once again. Israel is important to US and democracies everywhere.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."-John F. Kennedy

Yet again if you crack open a history book on these very subjects you will see that Israel is as much the aggressor as the victim.. There is no "innocent" sidein this, Israel, Palestinains and Arabs states all have their vices.. The difference being is Israel hasn't be held accountable and the shielded by the US in the UN, that if it weren't for them Israel would have the exact same sanctions countries like Iran and North Korea have.. Yet again this has nothing to do with Israel existing or not, this has to do with whether Israel shoudl get unquestionable support.. It should most certainly NOT, NO COUNTRY should.. Yet it does at this time..

This was a very contradictive and baseless statement.