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#51 deactivated-5bc291bf3d647
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How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?cell_dweller
while being healthy and such by playing sports, what are u going to do about the kid that breaks his leg playing soccer, or gets a concussion playing any of numerous contact sports? :P
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#52 wiistation36000
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How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?cell_dweller
That would help too.
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#53 Ace_WondersX
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] This would not fix the numerous problems the system has including its increasing costs, the loopholes, as well as distasteful practices like the ones that relate to pre-existing conditions.wiistation36000

But how does government run healthcare fix the rising costs and all the other problems?

Like I said, there are better options out there, but I think anything besides universal healthcare would work.

Because we have a little control over a government run health-care system versus corporate health-care where we have no control, stockholders have control.
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#54 cell_dweller  Moderator
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[QUOTE="cell_dweller"]How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?rawsavon
and add in more preventative medical care an oil change is a lot less expensive than a new engine

Fact. Very good comparison there ;)
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#55 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"]@rawsavon I give up on the quoting thing. Anyway... 1. I didn't mean to say it was a taxbreak. 2. In order for it to work we need to make up for it by cutting spending (any complaints? :|)

depends on what you are going to cut. -getting the gov. to run more efficiently would be a better goal IMO

We could start with the funding going to A.C.O.R.N. :P That being said, and (bad) spending was cut, would you agree with my idea? Why or why not?

I am anti big government in general...so it is against my philosophical beliefs -not saying that it could not work...just that I would not be for it -too many regulations, red tape, laws, rules, agencies, enforcement, etc. needed to make sure it runs smoothly...it would end up costing way more than the gov. gave back to make sure that it all ran correctly I would rather centralize and privatize medicine...independent oversight, run like a corporation, but funded by tax dollars...seems like the most streamlined way to get everyone covered
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#56 Mafiree
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How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?cell_dweller
That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers.
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while being healthy and such by playing sports, what are u going to do about the kid that breaks his leg playing soccer, or gets a concussion playing any of numerous contact sports? :Pyarou1000
No one said you had to play sports. Eating right, exercising, and even stretching can help.
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#59 cell_dweller  Moderator
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That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers. Mafiree
I'm with you too. I think it's only fair that if you break it, you should pay to get it fixed.....and that includes you yourself ;)
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#60 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="yarou1000"]while being healthy and such by playing sports, what are u going to do about the kid that breaks his leg playing soccer, or gets a concussion playing any of numerous contact sports? :Pcell_dweller
No one said you had to play sports. Eating right, exercising, and even stretching can help.

What is my motivation to do those if I bare no financial responsibility? Sure, I will probably live a longer life. But, what if that is not what if I enjoy doing things detrimental to my health more so than the extra amount of life experience I would get by being healthy
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[QUOTE="cell_dweller"]How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?Mafiree
That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers.

perfectly health people have come down with disease, and illness... look at lance armstrong, or in hockey phil kessel both are extremely fit, and healthy men, who got testicular cancer... now neither has to my knowledge done any substance abuse of any sort. The same could be said about many people around the world who get sick.
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#62 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="cell_dweller"]How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?yarou1000
That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers.

perfectly health people have come down with disease, and illness... look at lance armstrong, or in hockey phil kessel both are extremely fit, and healthy men, who got testicular cancer... now neither has to my knowledge done any substance abuse of any sort. The same could be said about many people around the world who get sick.

Those can be calculated into insurance rates. Since, you will on average require x amount of medical bills. I am willing to pay into this because if I was to develop a condition that requires a large amount of money to treat my insurance company would pay for it. My point was in regards to conditions like type-2 diabetes which is a generally preventable condition. Type-2 diabetes makes up a significant portion of health-care expenditures in the US and I feel it is unfair to have to bare the burden of someone elses poor lifestyle choices.
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#63 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="yarou1000"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers. Mafiree
perfectly health people have come down with disease, and illness... look at lance armstrong, or in hockey phil kessel both are extremely fit, and healthy men, who got testicular cancer... now neither has to my knowledge done any substance abuse of any sort. The same could be said about many people around the world who get sick.

Those can be calculated into insurance rates. Since, you will on average require x amount of medical bills. I am willing to pay into this because if I was to develop a condition that requires a large amount of money to treat my insurance company would pay for it. My point was in regards to conditions like type-2 diabetes which is a generally preventable condition. Type-2 diabetes makes up a significant portion of health-care expenditures in the US and I feel it is unfair to have to bare the burden of someone elses poor lifestyle choices.

Are you opposed or for universal healthcare?

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#64 danwallacefan
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Ok, this seems like a good idea to me, but I don't know what you guys think.

Instead of completely changing the health care system, why not just give every American a decent wad of cash that must be spent on health insurance per month. This way people would get the care they need, the insurance companies would prosper (sure, they're filthy rich as it is, but if it helps the people as well why not?), and not much* money would be spent in the end.

*Ok, that actually would come out to a hefty sum, but nothing compared to what they're proposing.

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Michael Cannon and Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute proposed a similar, though not exactly similar, plan. Instead of giving it to everyone, give it to people who really could not afford health insurance either because of poverty or because of a pre-existing condition, and instead of making them spend it on health insurance, keep costs down and let them choose any health plan they want and keep the savings.
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#65 Mafiree
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="yarou1000"] perfectly health people have come down with disease, and illness... look at lance armstrong, or in hockey phil kessel both are extremely fit, and healthy men, who got testicular cancer... now neither has to my knowledge done any substance abuse of any sort. The same could be said about many people around the world who get sick.wiistation36000

Those can be calculated into insurance rates. Since, you will on average require x amount of medical bills. I am willing to pay into this because if I was to develop a condition that requires a large amount of money to treat my insurance company would pay for it. My point was in regards to conditions like type-2 diabetes which is a generally preventable condition. Type-2 diabetes makes up a significant portion of health-care expenditures in the US and I feel it is unfair to have to bare the burden of someone elses poor lifestyle choices.

Are you opposed or for universal healthcare?

Opposed for the most part, I would however like to see some reform I would like to see improvements in the current system to allow for children to be covered if their family cannot easily afford. A decrease in the amount of fraud in medicare/medicaid. Allow insurance companies to sell insurance across state lines. Implement penalties on insurance companies who drop policy holders. Allow the purchase of pharmaceuticals outside the country.
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#66 ferrari2001
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It doesn't matter what's happening in the health care, It's going to cost a rediculous amount of money and cause a ton of head aches.
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#67 Toriko42
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Because those insurance companies don't have a place in society to begin with
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#68 DucksBrains
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yes but comparatively health care is way cheaper in the UK and Canada than in the US because our doctors and hospitals are paid through the government, instead of being paid by the patient... i don't understand the doctors working in private hospitals; your profession is to help sick people, but you seem to only be doing it for the money. Money should never come in the way of a persons life, and i feel that every core country, except for the US has gotten this message, while the US is trying to make as much profit as possible off of their own citizen's injuries...yarou1000

Oh how wonderfully altruistic of you. How dare those physicians spend a third of their life and thousands of dollars into debt and have the expectation to reap the rewards of higher education.