why don't you believe in god? were you religious before? what turned you away?

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Jamalamanabad"]

juest let him be a heathen he oesnt appreciete gods love

Jamalamanabad

whenevar i tell a athest that ia m a religious theyget quick to tell me god doasnt exist

[QUOTE="Jamalamanabad"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I'm just curious did you ever try to see the logic in it? Were you ever catechised about the lives of the saints and Christ?

wis3boi

juest let him be a heathen he oesnt appreciete gods love

[in my best Louis C.K. impression] "eh, he doesn't appreciate god's looove! Let's be all snarky to him so we can show him how much looove he's missing out on! Yeah, that'll show him we're happy!"

Comments like this are more the reason I reject all religions. Religion is supposed to teach people to care for each other, but as soon as I tell people I'm an atheist, religious people, mainly Christians, go ape sh!twis3boi

If asking a question is ape **** I don't want to know your opinion on an order which would be like WW3.

But seriously I sincerely asked that question.

if you're a christian, you're automatically guaranteed access to heaven seeing as how your sins were forgiven. seems like a safe religion to go with.ZumaJones07

"He who perserveres will be saved"

"lord lord did we not do many Miracles in your name"?

"Get away from me I did not know you!"

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]Comments like this are more the reason I reject all religions. Religion is supposed to teach people to care for each other, but as soon as I tell people I'm an atheist, religious people, mainly Christians, go ape sh!tPhilokalia

If asking a question is ape **** I don't want to know your opinion on an order which would be like WW3.

But seriously I sincerely asked that question.

I think hes talking about how he didn't like Jamalamabd or whatever it was's comment.

I believe in God as I am a deist.

I think religion was a creation of man and nothing more. The lack of proof and the insane rules in religion turned me away.(Eternal hell, how women are treated, how homosexuals are treated, and more)

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]Comments like this are more the reason I reject all religions. Religion is supposed to teach people to care for each other, but as soon as I tell people I'm an atheist, religious people, mainly Christians, go ape sh!tFundai

If asking a question is ape **** I don't want to know your opinion on an order which would be like WW3.

But seriously I sincerely asked that question.

I think hes talking about how he didn't like Jamalamabd or whatever it was's comment.

[QUOTE="Jamalamanabad"]

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I'm just curious did you ever try to see the logic in it? Were you ever catechised about the lives of the saints and Christ?

wis3boi

juest let him be a heathen he oesnt appreciete gods love

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]if you're a christian, you're automatically guaranteed access to heaven seeing as how your sins were forgiven. seems like a safe religion to go with.Philokalia

"He who perserveres will be saved"

"lord lord did we not do many Miracles in your name"?

"Get away from me I did not know you!"

He who smelt it dealt it, and believe me, it stinks.

[QUOTE="Jamalamanabad"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Comments like this are more the reason I reject all religions. Religion is supposed to teach people to care for each other, but as soon as I tell people I'm an atheist, religious people, mainly Christians, go ape sh!twis3boi

whenevar i tell a athest that ia m a religious theyget quick to tell me god doasnt exist

so why do ahtheists want to always disprouve god

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]if you're a christian, you're automatically guaranteed access to heaven seeing as how your sins were forgiven. seems like a safe religion to go with.theone86

"He who perserveres will be saved"

"lord lord did we not do many Miracles in your name"?

"Get away from me I did not know you!"

He who smelt it dealt it.

Yup.

He who smelt it dealt it.

theone86

"For it will be more tolerable in Sodem and gamorrah"

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="Jamalamanabad"]

whenevar i tell a athest that ia m a religious theyget quick to tell me god doasnt exist

Jamalamanabad

so why do ahtheists want to always disprouve god

We do not set out to do that. I suggest you do more than generalize if you want a better understanding of the other side

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

That would make you agnostic not an atheist. An atheist would have had to propose the non-existance of God.

themajormayor

An overwhelming majority of Atheists are agnostic.

It's a matter of semantics to what defines the word "god." Most people are 100% positive Zeus and Odin don't exist.

It's not the same thing.

In any case what you're saying is to you the existance of a God is just as likely as its non-existance?

I don't know when term "agnosticism" became a standalone thing but it was a pre-fix to a further definition. It has always meant "unsure" preluding to whatever you're unsure about. But it's just a disingenuous to assume someone is gnostic by default. You're either agnostic or gnostic about anything.

Example. You're either:

Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Thiest
Agnostic Atheist
gnostic Atheist

__________________ noun 1. a person exhibiting intellectual pretensions that have no basis in sound scholarship. 2. a person who pretends an interest in intellectual matters for reasons of status. adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or characterized by fraudulent intellectuality; unscholarly: a ________________ book. can anyone not from TDH fill in the blanks? surrealnumber5

teachur

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

An overwhelming majority of Atheists are agnostic.

It's a matter of semantics to what defines the word "god." Most people are 100% positive Zeus and Odin don't exist.

Blue-Sky

It's not the same thing.

In any case what you're saying is to you the existance of a God is just as likely as its non-existance?

I don't know when term "agnosticism" became a standalone thing but it was a pre-fix to a further definition. It has always meant "unsure" preluding to whatever you're unsure about. But it's just a disingenuous to assume someone is gnostic by default. You're either agnostic or gnostic about anything.

Example. You're either:

Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Thiest
Agnostic Atheist
gnostic Atheist

It's always been. The definition isn't 100% clear. But to illustrate using my definition.

Q: Do you believe in God?

Atheist: No

Theist: Yes

Agnostic: Not sure

Anyway gnosticists doesn't really exists, rendering agnosticism useless by your definition.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

It's not the same thing.

In any case what you're saying is to you the existance of a God is just as likely as its non-existance?

themajormayor

I don't know when term "agnosticism" became a standalone thing but it was a pre-fix to a further definition. It has always meant "unsure" preluding to whatever you're unsure about. But it's just a disingenuous to assume someone is gnostic by default. You're either agnostic or gnostic about anything.

Example. You're either:

Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Thiest
Agnostic Atheist
gnostic Atheist

It's always been. The definition isn't 100% clear. But to illustrate using my definition.

Q: Do you believe in God?

Atheist: No

Theist: Yes

Agnostic: Not sure

Anyway gnosticists doesn't really exists, rendering agnosticism useless by your definition.

That's not what an agnostic is.

I used to loosely believe in Christianity. I've been skeptic since probably 11-12 years old, but I only recognized myself as an atheist at 15. In reality, I probably have been since 12-13, but at the time I would have been considered an apatheist, because I didn't care about religion. Now I am opposed to it, though tolerant when others are tolerant of me. I'm 16 with a vast interest in science, specifically physics, so it's only natural that I question things. Christianity didn't supply the answers, science did. The coexistence of good and evil didn't make sense to me, considering this God was supposed to be benevolent. I didn't understand how this could be the case, considering it would even allow a "Hell" to exist. This was only one of many, many things that turned me away. Another major one was the rejection of homosexuality, which even as a child, I didn't even notice anything abnormal about it despite generally being heterosexual. I could go on and on about why, but it doesn't matter. Unless attacked because of my lack of belief, I generally keep to myself. I might mention a funny atheistic thing I saw the other day to a friend if I think they might find it funny. (I have many Christian friends who, while loyal Christians, often contemplate on possibilities.) And I'm not repulsed by everything Christian. I still love Castlevania, despite many Christian references. Unlike many people who abandon religion, I can allow religion and my disbelief to coexist, if they do not contradict. Otherwise, I will always defend my choices.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

It's not the same thing.

In any case what you're saying is to you the existance of a God is just as likely as its non-existance?

themajormayor

I don't know when term "agnosticism" became a standalone thing but it was a pre-fix to a further definition. It has always meant "unsure" preluding to whatever you're unsure about. But it's just a disingenuous to assume someone is gnostic by default. You're either agnostic or gnostic about anything.

Example. You're either:

Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Thiest
Agnostic Atheist
gnostic Atheist

It's always been. The definition isn't 100% clear. But to illustrate using my definition.

Q: Do you believe in God?

Atheist: No

Theist: Yes

Agnostic: Not sure

Anyway gnosticists doesn't really exists, rendering agnosticism useless by your definition.

Because I think people who claim to be "only" agnostic are hypocrites. That's what I don't understand. Why is the god of Abraham Synonymous with the term god? For example:

Q: Do you believe in Zeus?

Atheist: No.
Theist: No.
Agnostic: No.

Definition of AGNOSTIC 1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god 2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something - ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun know the words you use and use them right........ we live in the age of the internet, the knowledge of the ages are at your finger tips, ignore the tools at your disposal and show your true ignorance.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I don't know when term "agnosticism" became a standalone thing but it was a pre-fix to a further definition. It has always meant "unsure" preluding to whatever you're unsure about. But it's just a disingenuous to assume someone is gnostic by default. You're either agnostic or gnostic about anything.

Example. You're either:

Agnostic Theist
Gnostic Thiest
Agnostic Atheist
gnostic Atheist

Blue-Sky

It's always been. The definition isn't 100% clear. But to illustrate using my definition.

Q: Do you believe in God?

Atheist: No

Theist: Yes

Agnostic: Not sure

Anyway gnosticists doesn't really exists, rendering agnosticism useless by your definition.

Because I think people who claim to be "only" agnostic are hypocrites. That's what I don't understand. Why is the god of Abraham Synonymous with the term god? For example:

Q: Do you believe in Zeus?

Atheist: No.
Theist: No.
Agnostic: No.

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

Definition of AGNOSTIC 1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god 2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something - ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun know the words you use and use them right........ we live in the age of the internet, the knowledge of the ages are at your finger tips, ignore the tools at your disposal and show your true ignorance.

surrealnumber5

Agnostic just means don't know pretty much.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

It's always been. The definition isn't 100% clear. But to illustrate using my definition.

Q: Do you believe in God?

Atheist: No

Theist: Yes

Agnostic: Not sure

Anyway gnosticists doesn't really exists, rendering agnosticism useless by your definition.

themajormayor

Because I think people who claim to be "only" agnostic are hypocrites. That's what I don't understand. Why is the god of Abraham Synonymous with the term god? For example:

Q: Do you believe in Zeus?

Atheist: No.
Theist: No.
Agnostic: No.

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

In other words, an agnostic theist?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Because I think people who claim to be "only" agnostic are hypocrites. That's what I don't understand. Why is the god of Abraham Synonymous with the term god? For example:

Q: Do you believe in Zeus?

Atheist: No.
Theist: No.
Agnostic: No.

Blue-Sky

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

In other words, an agnostic theist?

can anyone not from TDH fill in the blanks? surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Because I think people who claim to be "only" agnostic are hypocrites. That's what I don't understand. Why is the god of Abraham Synonymous with the term god? For example:

Q: Do you believe in Zeus?

Atheist: No.
Theist: No.
Agnostic: No.

Blue-Sky

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

In other words, an agnostic theist?

No an agnostic that has ruled out the possibility of Zeus. Let it put me this way:

According to you when you're opening mail, you either believe there is something inside or you dont, according to you there is no unknowing just a belief that the envelope is full or empty.....

themayormajor raises good points with respect to clarity of definitions. I'm surprised that there are not more ignostic (insert)ists than there are. Admiral_Dudeman

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

Admiral_Dudeman

In other words, an agnostic theist?

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

They can be agnostic in relation to a monotheistic God but don't believe in Zeus. Agnostic just means don't know pretty much. So you could say "I am an Agnostic with regards to an eternal monotheistic God, but is ruling out the possibility of Zeus."

themajormayor

In other words, an agnostic theist?

No an agnostic that has ruled out the possibility of Zeus. Let it put me this way:

Accprding to you when you're opening mail, you either believe there is something inside or you dont, according to you there is no unknowing just a belief that the envelope is full or empty.....

I honestly don't see the difference between the two statements. Maybe I am dim lol.

.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

In other words, an agnostic theist?

Blue-Sky

No an agnostic that has ruled out the possibility of Zeus. Let it put me this way:

Accprding to you when you're opening mail, you either believe there is something inside or you dont, according to you there is no unknowing just a belief that the envelope is full or empty.....

I honestly don't see the difference between the two statements. Maybe I am dim lol.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

No an agnostic that has ruled out the possibility of Zeus. Let it put me this way:

Accprding to you when you're opening mail, you either believe there is something inside or you dont, according to you there is no unknowing just a belief that the envelope is full or empty.....

Admiral_Dudeman

I honestly don't see the difference between the two statements. Maybe I am dim lol.

Isn't that his entire point, though, that there's no objective way to be gnostic to some deities and agnostic to others? I dunno, haven't been following this part of the thread exactly, but I thought that was his argument.

I was religious as a child, feel was quite gullible back then. What made me see the light?

The big thing that got me was when I was learning about dinosaurs. It occurred to me, though a little unrelated that shouldn't all life die the same. Then I was thinking about how the people within the Americas wouldn't even known about tons of these religions for thousands of years. Of course these things don't have a direct connection with god which depending on the god I'm still open to, skeptical but open.

[QUOTE="Admiral_Dudeman"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I honestly don't see the difference between the two statements. Maybe I am dim lol.

theone86

Isn't that his entire point, though, that there's no objective way to be gnostic to some deities and agnostic to others? I dunno, haven't been following this part of the thread exactly, but I thought that was his argument.

I don't believe in 'God' for the same reason I don't believe in Santa Clause...

...I grew up.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="Admiral_Dudeman"] If one is a gnostic with respect to some deiities and an agnostic with respect to others, categorizing one's self within these two terms requires narrowing the parameters of the question.Admiral_Dudeman

Isn't that his entire point, though, that there's no objective way to be gnostic to some deities and agnostic to others? I dunno, haven't been following this part of the thread exactly, but I thought that was his argument.

Looking back at his earlier posts, I think his argument was more about content than definition, though he may have phrased it in a poor way. He wasn't so much saying you can't be gnostic to one god and agnostic to another, he was saying he sees no basis for doing so. If you affirm a disbelief in Zeus then what grounds do you have for being agnostic to Jaweh?

I suppose I always leaned a little bit towards the non-believing side, but it wasn't until I was 14 and delved into message boards that I found out there was a term for it. I guess that's what I get for being raised into a small town that is predominantly one religious sub sect.-Toshy-

[QUOTE="Admiral_Dudeman"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Isn't that his entire point, though, that there's no objective way to be gnostic to some deities and agnostic to others? I dunno, haven't been following this part of the thread exactly, but I thought that was his argument.

theone86

Looking back at his earlier posts, I think his argument was more about content than definition, though he may have phrased it in a poor way. He wasn't so much saying you can't be gnostic to one god and agnostic to another, he was saying he sees no basis for doing so. If you affirm a disbelief in Zeus then what grounds do you have for being agnostic to Jaweh?

i used to think he was real like santa and the easter bunny but when i was 10 i grew out of the BS fariy tale story and moved on, im not scared of death and live a narrow linar life i feel free without bonds that are going to tell me "oh you dont believe burn for eternity, or oops you did this instead of this bu bye"