Why g@y is wrong, (to Christians) (atheists keep out)

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#1 clash76-grunger
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I was talking to my friend, and he is g@y, and I finally realized why its a sin. It was a bit of an epiphinay for me.

When God created man and woman, he made them capatible for sex, hence creating new children in his name. God told us, we need to spread the Word of Christ so that more people may join him in Heaven. He made man and woman to have sex so that more humans could be created so that we may teach them about the words, and they can spread the word. The more Christians, the more people going to heaven, hence having sex to create them so there are more.
I knever really thought about this untill thought why. We should still love and respect homosexuals, and they are human just like us (believe it or not =) ) But they are sinning in the fact that they are not making more children of Gods name.

In the end, Hooray For Sex!

Boo for g@ys :P

*discuss*

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#2 Blood-Scribe
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I am not a Christian, and I disagree. There, I defied your silly poll.
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#3 Matt-4542
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So if God says to be fair to everyone or you'll go to Hell, why are you bashing gays? Stfu.

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GOD IS DEAD

nobody tells me to keep out of a thread

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#5 dracula_16
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You're concerning yourself with something that's never going to affect your life. The earth is already overpopulated as it is.
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#6 Englando_IV
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So according to you, straight people who do not have babies are also sinning?
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#7 Oleg_Huzwog
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By that logic, would monogamy be a sin? If the goal is to maximize the number of children, shouldn't a husband be taking as many wives as he can? How about divorce? Once wife #1's biological clock has expired, is it time to ditch her in favor of a younger, more fertile woman?
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I am not a Christian, and I disagree. There, I defied your silly poll.Blood-Scribe

exactamundo.

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By that logic, would monogamy be a sin? If the goal is to maximize the number of children, shouldn't a husband be taking as many wives as he can? How about divorce? Once wife #1's biological clock has expired, is it time to ditch her in favor of a younger, more fertile woman?Oleg_Huzwog

The polygamists were right?! :o

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I am not a Christian, and I disagree. There, I defied your silly poll.Blood-Scribe

Same here.

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#11 Hewkii
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The polygamists were right?! :o

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you mean the Mormons? ;)

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What about all those priests and nuns who swear celibacy?
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#13 clash76-grunger
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I am not bashing gays. I clearly said that we should love and respect them like all other humans.

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As an atheist im going to say christians are wrong.
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Jesus, why can't people leave this topic alone. People make their own decisions. If somebody is gay than so be it. There is no changing how they feel, so there is no point in telling them that this is how it should be. Hardcore Christians are some of the worst in the bunch. They think that life should be one way, and that's it. That is complete crap. Let people live their lives, instead of wasting your time trying to force someone to live it the way you believe it should be lived.
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#16 clash76-grunger
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I do not support nuns and priests.
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#17 clash76-grunger
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I do not support nuns and priests.
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#18 Matt-4542
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I am not bashing gays. I clearly said that we should love and respect them like all other humans.

clash76-grunger
But youre also saying that its wrong. People, anybody, can love whoever they want, regardless of gender and you nor I cannot stop them.
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Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?
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Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?Englando_IV

judging by the above post, that is a yes.

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So according to you, straight people who do not have babies are also sinning?Englando_IV
Did I say that?

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If God doesn't exist, your whole theory is void. /thread
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#23 ONLYDOD
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Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and if you dislike gays so be it. But I would just like to say that it disgusts me to think that there are people out there who believe homesexuality is wrong, even if it makes others happy. They aren't harming anyone, unless they have aids of course but that works for hetrosexuals aswell.

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#24 Oriental_Jams
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Well for one, I'm an atheist, your sign didn't work all that well. For two, gay people can pro-create.
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I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

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Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?Englando_IV

Of course! I see it now. All this time I've spent dating was a waste! All I had to do was say "Hey woman! Get over here! God has commanded you and I get busy!" It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Why didn't I see it before?

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I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

mindstorm
LMFAO. Thats the funniest thing Ive ever heard on this forum.
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[QUOTE="Englando_IV"]Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?Oleg_Huzwog

Of course! I see it now. All this time I've spent dating was a waste! All I had to do was say "Hey woman! Get over here! God has commanded you and I get busy!" It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Why didn't I see it before?

Not all are called to have children. Christ himself did not have children and he was sinless.
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I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

mindstorm
But how do you know all of that? Its all based on faith, and I don't think faith should come above a gay person's rights to exist freely.
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Let them live their lives, and you cant keep atheist out of this thread.

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I'm an atheist but i'll play along as a christian so it dosn't turnn into another one of those huge debates, if i were a christian i wouldn't aprove but i'ld be ok with it as they are only stopping themselves procreate and effecting no one else,

with my atheist hat on i'ld proberbly say the same but maybe instead of not aprove just not car but it isn't much of a change really, i strongly agree with "hooray for sex!" though

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#32 SolidSnake35
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People against gays must want to live in rather backwards society.
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I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

mindstorm

So heterosexuals who can't have children are also sinning then, since they "are going against the very thing he told us to do".

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#34 markop2003
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Let them live their lives, and you cant keep atheist out of this thread.

tzar3

it'll just turn in to another huge debate getting nowhere though, maybe if atheists try and see it from achristian's point of view then we can avoid a huge debate thread

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I'm an atheist but i'll play along as a christian so it dosn't turnn into another one of those huge debates

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Welp, too late.

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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Englando_IV"]Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?mindstorm

Of course! I see it now. All this time I've spent dating was a waste! All I had to do was say "Hey woman! Get over here! God has commanded you and I get busy!" It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Why didn't I see it before?

Not all are called to have children. Christ himself did not have children and he was sinless.

So mightn't homosexuals simply be people not called to have children?

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

Bourbons3

But how do you know all of that? Its all based on faith, and I don't think faith should come above a gay person's rights to exist freely.

It's why I believe and I get my beliefs from the Bible. I too believe homosexuals should exist freely but that doesn't mean I agree with the idea of such an important tradition being practiced in such a way. As a Christian I believe marriage is ordained by God and therefore if the relationship is against God's intent, it shouldn't be carried out.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

Oriental_Jams

So heterosexuals who can't have children are also sinning then, since they "are going against the very thing he told us to do".

I didn't mean they were sinning. Jesus himself had no children and was without sin.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

I completely agree.

God created a perfect world but due to the sin of man, the perfect world became imperfect and perverted. This perversion of perfection is seen through every sin. Homosexuality is one of these perversions. This isn't how we were meant to live. God gives what are essentially guidelines for how to live a fulfilled life in keeping his commandments and bringing him glory with our lives.

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth. By living in the corrupted state of homosexuality, we are going against the very thing he told us to do. Children are a blessing especially when seen as a gift from God. By being homosexual, one is basically missing out on that gift.

Yes, I'm aware they try to get around that by having children from less natural means but I'd imagine there is nothing in this world like having a child that not only shares your features but that of your spouse.

Indeed many have to adopt their children but as a Christian, I am an adopted child of God. To know that he is essentially my Dad is an amazing thought to comprehend.

Oriental_Jams

So heterosexuals who can't have children are also sinning then, since they "are going against the very thing he told us to do".

if they can't then they arn't cause it's not their fault but if they won't without a proper excuse then i guess they are

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The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth.

mindstorm

Meh, I think that not reproducing is more fruitful these days. At least it slows overpopulation.

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth.

THE_DRUGGIE

Meh, I think that not reproducing is more fruitful these days. At least it slows overpopulation.

The command doesn't apply as much as it once did as reproducing isn't necessary for survival. That doesn't mean it wasn't the first command however.
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Well damn, God's one big giant bastard. Allowing his creations to turn out gay when being gay is sinning. That rat bastard!
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[QUOTE="Englando_IV"]So according to you, straight people who do not have babies are also sinning?clash76-grunger

Did I say that?

You say homosexuality is a sin because God intended us to have children, then wouldn't it be a sin to not have kids as a heterosexual?

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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth.

mindstorm

Meh, I think that not reproducing is more fruitful these days. At least it slows overpopulation.

The command doesn't apply as much as it once did as reproducing isn't necessary for survival. That doesn't mean it wasn't the first command however.

But I still don't think refusing to reproduce should be shunned on.
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I disagree. Why did god let so many of his animals have homosexual sex? Religion against homosexuality fails. Why don't you all worry about helping others instead of bashing people.
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Englando_IV"]Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?mindstorm

Of course! I see it now. All this time I've spent dating was a waste! All I had to do was say "Hey woman! Get over here! God has commanded you and I get busy!" It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Why didn't I see it before?

Not all are called to have children. Christ himself did not have children and he was sinless.

But the TC says that's a sin!
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

The very first thing God told us to do was to be fruitful and subdue the earth.

THE_DRUGGIE

Meh, I think that not reproducing is more fruitful these days. At least it slows overpopulation.

The command doesn't apply as much as it once did as reproducing isn't necessary for survival. That doesn't mean it wasn't the first command however.

But I still don't think refusing to reproduce should be shunned on.

It shouldn't be shunned upon at all. That's not what I'm getting at. What I am saying is that it is a blessing to have children, simply put.
I disagree. Why did god let so many of his animals have homosexual sex? Religion against homosexuality fails. Why don't you all worry about helping others instead of bashing people.btaylor2404

I can't imagine that the animals would not have commited homosexual acts before the fall of man.

I'm not sure if you consider me bashing others in stating my views but I will say that I do not neglect my duties in helping others.

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I was talking to my friend, and he is g@y, and I finally realized why its a sin. It was a bit of an epiphinay for me.

When God created man and woman, he made them capatible for sex, hence creating new children in his name. God told us, we need to spread the Word of Christ so that more people may join him in Heaven. He made man and woman to have sex so that more humans could be created so that we may teach them about the words, and they can spread the word. The more Christians, the more people going to heaven, hence having sex to create them so there are more.
I knever really thought about this untill thought why. We should still love and respect homosexuals, and they are human just like us (believe it or not =) ) But they are sinning in the fact that they are not making more children of Gods name.

In the end, Hooray For Sex!

Boo for g@ys :P

*discuss*

clash76-grunger

See, that right there should blow out all the arguments of "Wah, we can marry if there's love." and when you think about it, a good share of gheys are probably getting married just to give non-supporters the finger, so yeah.

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#49 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Englando_IV"]Since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask again: So you think straight people who don't reproduce are sinning?xaos

Of course! I see it now. All this time I've spent dating was a waste! All I had to do was say "Hey woman! Get over here! God has commanded you and I get busy!" It's so simple, yet so brilliant. Why didn't I see it before?

Not all are called to have children. Christ himself did not have children and he was sinless.

But the TC says that's a sin!

He has a true and biblical point but choosing to not have children is not a sin.
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#50 joefish84
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I heard that many homosexuals aren't really, um, homosexual, they just have such low self esteem and had a hard childhood, etc etc.