Why I'm not a Christian anymore. What about you?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Bluff_Master_2"]You dont really believe in God then, you just look at jesus as a moral leader? It's a totally different thing. I dont see how following jesus will make you a happier person? What's good about not having pre-marital sex? And in this day and age of fraud and materialism, you are gonna be very dissapointed trying to treat others the way jesus said so.Bluff_Master_2

My opinion is that we ought to make the world better and everyone of us individually can set an example, and not decide that setting an example is not worth it "in this day and age".

All I am saying is that some people use that inevitability to get rid of all effort altogether.

My main point is that yes we live in times where going against the norm/trend (being selfish, arrogant etc - not saying the majority of people in the world but its a general trend) is hard, but thinking that its not worth it at all is pretty pessimistic or rather, more realistically, pretty convenient.

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

... , wut? It's not an article, it's a book. The ''article'' you're reading is a chapter, the book concerns the impossibility of the Evolution Theory. Can you make the connection? Let me help you, evolutionists support the Evolution Theory, isn't that amazing? And chapter 10, means one of many, handles the subject abiogenesis. TA-DA.

Guybrush_3

There is a problem there. There is no such thing as an evolutionist. It's a lie spread by people who take the bible litterally.

Evolutionists, Atheists etc. different names for the same thing, people that think life was not designed.

Jeez, even the URL fails.

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

... , wut? It's not an article, it's a book. The ''article'' you're reading is a chapter, the book concerns the impossibility of the Evolution Theory. Can you make the connection? Let me help you, evolutionists support the Evolution Theory, isn't that amazing? And chapter 10, means one of many, handles the subject abiogenesis. TA-DA.

BumFluff122

I didn't state it was a section of evolutionary theory. All he does is put his finger on sections in abogenesis they forgot to keep in the back of their mind when they came up with their evolutionary theory. Miller's Experiment made evolutionists run naked on the street out of victory. In my opinion, both valid subjects to discuss in his book.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Jeez, even the URL fails.

CAPSROGUE

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Jeez, even the URL fails.Teenaged

I don't really have any religious beliefs anymore, both for or against god.

So we should simply agree to that? 'Cause the pope in his panties said so?

I didn't state it was a section of evolutionary theory. All he does is put his finger on sections in abogenesis they forgot to keep in the back of their mind when they came up with their evolutionary theory. Miller's Experiment made evolutionists run naked on the street out of victory. In my opinion, both valid subjects to discuss in his book.

CAPSROGUE

"they forgot to keep in the back of their mind when they came up with their evolutionary theory"

again, what does the knowledge that creatures adapt over time due to genetic mutations in their DNA that allows their species to improve to their environment have to do with the belief that life came from nonlilfe?

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]
Not really, sadly I think only your Union's URL fails.
[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]

... , wut? It's not an article, it's a book. The ''article'' you're reading is a chapter, the book concerns the impossibility of the Evolution Theory. Can you make the connection? Let me help you, evolutionists support the Evolution Theory, isn't that amazing? And chapter 10, means one of many, handles the subject abiogenesis. TA-DA.

CAPSROGUE

I didn't state it was a section of evolutionary theory. All he does is put his finger on sections in abogenesis they forgot to keep in the back of their mind when they came up with their evolutionary theory. Miller's Experiment made evolutionists run naked on the street out of victory. In my opinion, both valid subjects to discuss in his book.

The Pope accepts and supports Evolution.. There is not such thing as evolutionist.. It is not a belief what so ever in the sense of religion.. People can be agnostic and accept Evolution, they can be many things.. Evolution is not a exclusive idea.

Violence under the name of religion is usually caused by misinterpretation of the teachings. The Bible does not at all condone killing or hurting others who are not Christians., It's just that some Christians take it that if you do not believe in God, you should be punished. It's the same with the Muslim extremists. I will always believe in God, because I always feel guided by someone when I go through my life. It's hard to explain, but it's just that I always feel watched and protected. Also, read the New Testament. Jesus does not at all promote violence.thequietguy

Not really, sadly I think only your Union's URL fails.CAPSROGUE

[QUOTE="CAPSROGUE"]Not really, sadly I think only your Union's URL fails.Funky_Llama

The same one my URL isn't working in either. A stupid remark deserves a stupid response.

Perhaps you should re-read your original post. There are also people who believe in creation that also believe in evolution, they aren't mutually exclusive. The vast majority of Christians also believe in evolution.

"they forgot to keep in the back of their mind when they came up with their evolutionary theory"

again, what does the knowledge that creatures adapt over time due to genetic mutations in their DNA that allows their species to improve to their environment have to do with the belief that life came from nonlilfe?

BumFluff122

Ah, ok I understand what you're trying to say now. Read the lower part of Chapter 9, contains several links of fossils that were found millions of years ago which would make the entire Evolutionary theory timeline collapse, or do you have another timeline you believe in?

This so called ''I believe in both'' is some kind of trend that seems to be very common lately. Too scared to say what they believe in they mix and match bits from both sides so they can remain neutral. I'm not really a fan of it.

This so called ''I believe in both'' is some kind of trend that seems to be very common lately. Too scared to say what they believe in they mix and match bits from both sides so they can remain neutral. I'm not really a fan of it.

CAPSROGUE

They also like to pick and choose which parts to follow.Brainkiller05

and most of you people that don't believe in god look around at the universe and how everything works its amazing you can't tell me we were here because of mistakeStaszy

*sigh*

I think I was always practically a Christian. And I beleieve many Christians are only Christians in the typical sense.

The point is that although I would say that I am not a Christian since *enter date/event here*, the truth is that I was never religious, although I am spiritual.

My upbringing was by Christian parents of course and I have attended church many times as a child and now (now only for special occasions).

But my parents never, in any instance, brought up a religious persuasion "argument". They never said when scolding us "because god will know" or any of the like. I cant explain it but the concepts of right and wrong where never projected to me as religious notions are as notions defined by religion. Therefore religion was never a big part of my life.

The main reasons though that drove me away from religion was firstly seeing the hypocrisy of some "believers", of some so-called "Christians". Surely those were the wrong Christians, but that thing was the step for me to realise that organised religion is in a sense (and only in a sense - not entirely) wrong. I believe that spirituality is a personal issue.

Anyway to sum it up later on, and especially here at GS I realised how the main source of any religion is subject to much doubt of authenticity and validity and therefore there is no certainty. I know that faith is the essence of compensating for uncertainty but I wont have faith in something that I disagree with; not wholy but in some main tennents. So, religion (by my definition and not meaning the abstract notion of it) is easily corrupted, and therefore not so much trustworthy. Simply put I think that no religion has grasped what god truly is (one would ask how do you know what he is - I dont know what he is but I can judge and think about what he cannot be). Therefore I render my spirituality a personal issue for me alone to solve (if I ever solve it) and not following any prefixed set of ideas.

[QUOTE="Staszy"]and most of you people that don't believe in god look around at the universe and how everything works its amazing you can't tell me we were here because of mistakeT_P_O

The same one my URL isn't working in either. A stupid remark deserves a stupid response.CAPSROGUE

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Staszy"]and most of you people that don't believe in god look around at the universe and how everything works its amazing you can't tell me we were here because of mistakeStaszy

Its the thought that our "now" is unique (well it is but you get what I am saying), that stops you from grasping what a chance means here.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="Staszy"]and most of you people that don't believe in god look around at the universe and how everything works its amazing you can't tell me we were here because of mistakeStaszy

[QUOTE="Staszy"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] I believe we're here because of chance, not mistake.Teenaged

Its the thought that our "now" is unique (well it is but you get what I am saying), that stops you from grasping what a chance means here.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"]ya thats what i meant. do you know how lucky that is from chance? your saying that this beautiful world was by chance? and how everything was by chance?Staszy

Its the thought that our "now" is unique (well it is but you get what I am saying), that stops you from grasping what a chance means here.

Seriously...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"]ya thats what i meant. do you know how lucky that is from chance? your saying that this beautiful world was by chance? and how everything was by chance?Staszy

Its the thought that our "now" is unique (well it is but you get what I am saying), that stops you from grasping what a chance means here.

You dont really believe in God then, you just look at jesus as a moral leader? It's a totally different thing.Bluff_Master_2

I do believe in God. But that wasn't the question at hand, was it? I don't believe that believing in God makes someone a Christian; I believe that following Christ makes someone a Christian.

I dont see how following jesus will make you a happier person? What's good about not having pre-marital sex? And in this day and age of fraud and materialism, you are gonna be very dissapointed trying to treat others the way jesus said so.Bluff_Master_2

If you had ever experienced the feeling of seeing a person smiling and happy because of something that you did for them, then you too would understand the joy in leading the life that Jesus lead.

The world is no more cruel today than it was when Jesus was alive, and his teachings are no less applicable today than they were then.

My refutation of Christianity came when I was in 3rd grade; I was in a private school and over the course of 6 years we read and discussed the entire Bible in required classes. I had moral issues with the notion of damnation and salvation coming only through accepting Christ. To me, this felt like terrorism and a doctrine of might makes right, and I pretty much decided that if this is how God conducts Himself, I wanted no part of Him.xaos

That pretty much describes the entire issue that I had with it for the longest time. If I believed that God truly sent people to an eternity in hell purely for failing to have jumped through some totally arbitrary hoops, I would certainly not be a Christian today. :P

[QUOTE="Staszy"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]If you have several options and we ended in one by chance, it doesnt mean that the rest options are not "beautiful" or nothing like this one.

Its the thought that our "now" is unique (well it is but you get what I am saying), that stops you from grasping what a chance means here.

Teenaged

Seriously...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"] would you believe someone if they said that a bunch of factories next to each other exploded, and out of all the pieces flying around from the explosion, a car was made?Staszy

Seriously...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"] would you believe someone if they said that a bunch of factories next to each other exploded, and out of all the pieces flying around from the explosion, a car was made?Staszy

Seriously...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"] would you believe someone if they said that a bunch of factories next to each other exploded, and out of all the pieces flying around from the explosion, a car was made?Staszy

Seriously...

The thing is, I cant put in words an explanation for it but I can grasp it.

You dont have to have an analogy to explain it for it to be valid or very possible (since we cant claim validity at this point yet).

[QUOTE="Staszy"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Bad analogy is bad.

Seriously...

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Staszy"]How can you explain the big bang better than?Staszy

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Staszy"]How can you explain the big bang better than?

Staszy

[QUOTE="Staszy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]'The rapid expansion of the universe from a singularity' would probably be a better explanation >_>xaos

Is that correct?

[QUOTE="Staszy"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]'The rapid expansion of the universe from a singularity' would probably be a better explanation >_>Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Staszy"]here's a question where did matter come from?Teenaged

Is that correct?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Staszy"]here's a question where did matter come from?zakkro

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Atheist from the moment I was born. :D

There are a few once-upon-a-time christians on this board, though. Maybe they'll add their thoughts.

FlyingArmbar

I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in God. Also, even if I did believe in God, I would not worship him, for a reason so brilliantly stated by Epicurus:

bangell99

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[QUOTE="Staszy"]here's a question where did matter come from?zakkro

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

The question of where matter came from is an entirely different question than that of whether the Big Bang happened, and the answer to the former does not impact in any way the validity of the answer to the latter.

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

Even in the case of one view being complete wrong, doesnt render the other view correct.

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

Darn, I should have known that. And to think I have a Bachelor's in Xaosology :(Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Staszy"]

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Funky_Llama

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

I'll take uncertainty tethered to empirical methods over certainty tethered to faith. That said, I actually have a lot of respect for people of faith, I just think worrying about things like the literal truth of holy texts is a pretty huge distraction from the central messages of most beliefs. I can't imagine Christ participating in an internet debate on whether the Big Bang happened or Genesis is a direct literal account of the origin of the universe. Admittedly, that could just be a failure of imagination on my part, though.xaos

"Salvation of mankind can wait. Someone is wrong on the internet."

Scientists are unable to say where the matter that existed to create the big bang came from, while christain's know that god brought it into being

Staszy

[QUOTE="xaos"]I'll take uncertainty tethered to empirical methods over certainty tethered to faith. That said, I actually have a lot of respect for people of faith, I just think worrying about things like the literal truth of holy texts is a pretty huge distraction from the central messages of most beliefs. I can't imagine Christ participating in an internet debate on whether the Big Bang happened or Genesis is a direct literal account of the origin of the universe. Admittedly, that could just be a failure of imagination on my part, though.GabuEx

"Salvation of mankind can wait. Someone is wrong on the internet."