Why I'm not a Christian anymore. What about you?

I don't recall saying that. IF I did what I meant was that it should open their minds to other possibilities.

BumFluff122

Ahhh you're talking about their beliefs not reality. There I would have to agree with you. It is impossible to change the beliefs of people when they don't want to have their beliefs changed or when they don't want to question alternatives.

BumFluff122

Yes...which basically means "science" doesn't know.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Yeah, thats the vibe I'm getting too. It seems like just because a lot of people aren't Christians go to Hell. I'm not a Christian, but believe in and praise a God, so I go to Hell? Its as if he knows God's judgement better than He does...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Yeah, thats the vibe I'm getting too. It seems like just because a lot of people aren't Christians go to Hell. I'm not a Christian, but believe in and praise a God, so I go to Hell? Its as if he knows God's judgement better than He does...enterawesome

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Yeah, thats the vibe I'm getting too. It seems like just because a lot of people aren't Christians go to Hell. I'm not a Christian, but believe in and praise a God, so I go to Hell? Its as if he knows God's judgement better than He does...enterawesome

Right here you have assumed that the alternatives could displace beliefs.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Right here you have assumed that the alternatives could displace beliefs.

BumFluff122

I fell out of it after having it shoved down my throat all my life.

I never felt any pull to be religious and quite frankly I not only have a problem with the way alot of religious people try and force their beliefs on everyone else, but I couldn't praise a God who would send a completely good person to hell for eternity simply for not believing in him.

I don't doubt the possibility that there is a God, but quite frankly I don't care to waste time thinking about that because there is no actual way for us to KNOW anything about the subject.

I figure the best I can do is try and be the best person I can and if there is life after death hopefully I do well...

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Now I would say "does anyone know?" but then Theo would rush to correct me somewhere so... :P

And then i said there is basically no proof for this and it requires just as much belief as a god does and is just as logical.

magnax1

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]And when it comes to slavery we shouldn't?Ezgam3r

I don't know how you read this, but to me, this is quite immoral.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

I fell out of it after having it shoved down my throat all my life.

I never felt any pull to be religious and quite frankly I not only have a problem with the way alot of religious people try and force their beliefs on everyone else, but I couldn't praise a God who would send a completely good person to hell for eternity simply for not believing in him.

I don't doubt the possibility that there is a God, but quite frankly I don't care to waste time thinking about that because there is no actual way for us to KNOW anything about the subject.

I figure the best I can do is try and be the best person I can and if there is life after death hopefully I do well...

LostProphetFLCL

(in red) If you do that, I'm sure you'll have a good chance at getting to Heaven. Note I said chance, I didn't say he WOULD, for I nor anyone else knows what and how God will judge us after death.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]

That's exactly how I see it. And the more I see of religion (doesn't matter which one) the more I'm convinced that they're all wrong and there's just nothing.

LJS9502_basic

Well, youre right. I never read one page of the Bible, and I dont want to. I was raised on it, but very liberally, and never learned in depth what Christianity is really about. So I guess thats a fair statement to say I dont understand it.I dont believe it because I choose not to believe it. Its also because of this that I dont really go to these Religion threads too often, basically because I dont have any good points either way. I just dont care, and have chosen to remain neutral on the subject. I was just sharing my personal story on how I became...well...not a Christian. But if you believe I do no understand it, then feel free to explain,although it seems rather simple to me, just a set of moral guidelines on how to live, really.

No. You were saying if they followed science they would see the alternatives were better to paraphrase because I'm not looking for the posts. Thus, it is your opinion that the alternatives displace the beliefs. Even though the alternatives cannot disprove a supernatural being and I'd wager probably never will.

LJS9502_basic

I love it when people say that the Bible tells Christians to stone sinners to death...Such ignorance astounds me. :roll:

LikeHaterade

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Only God does. We should try to live our lives like Jesus did on Earth, and praise and thank Him. Not praise a book.enterawesome

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No. You were saying if they followed science they would see the alternatives were better to paraphrase because I'm not looking for the posts. Thus, it is your opinion that the alternatives displace the beliefs. Even though the alternatives cannot disprove a supernatural being and I'd wager probably never will.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]If he exists I believe that thats the case too. :)

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I fell out of it after having it shoved down my throat all my life.

I never felt any pull to be religious and quite frankly I not only have a problem with the way alot of religious people try and force their beliefs on everyone else, but I couldn't praise a God who would send a completely good person to hell for eternity simply for not believing in him.

I don't doubt the possibility that there is a God, but quite frankly I don't care to waste time thinking about that because there is no actual way for us to KNOW anything about the subject.

I figure the best I can do is try and be the best person I can and if there is life after death hopefully I do well...

enterawesome

(in red) If you do that, I'm sure you'll have a good chance at getting to Heaven. Note I said chance, I didn't say he WOULD, for I nor anyone else knows what and how God will judge us after death.

Well this topic was about Christianity so of course I am going to be basing things on the bible for this discussion. I personally don't believe in the bible at all....

And yeah, thats why I said I HOPE I do well. No one has any clue what happens when we die and theres no way for us to know.....

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Good then. But this thought came to mind: Everyone here believes in God or doesn't. What if someone else with a different religion came in, like a Hindu or something?sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

No. You were saying if they followed science they would see the alternatives were better to paraphrase because I'm not looking for the posts. Thus, it is your opinion that the alternatives displace the beliefs. Even though the alternatives cannot disprove a supernatural being and I'd wager probably never will.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I fell out of it after having it shoved down my throat all my life.

I never felt any pull to be religious and quite frankly I not only have a problem with the way alot of religious people try and force their beliefs on everyone else, but I couldn't praise a God who would send a completely good person to hell for eternity simply for not believing in him.

I don't doubt the possibility that there is a God, but quite frankly I don't care to waste time thinking about that because there is no actual way for us to KNOW anything about the subject.

I figure the best I can do is try and be the best person I can and if there is life after death hopefully I do well...

(in red) If you do that, I'm sure you'll have a good chance at getting to Heaven. Note I said chance, I didn't say he WOULD, for I nor anyone else knows what and how God will judge us after death.

Well this topic was about Christianity so of course I am going to be basing things on the bible for this discussion. I personally don't believe in the bible at all....

And yeah, thats why I said I HOPE I do well. No one has any clue what happens when we die and theres no way for us to know.....

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

And then i said there is basically no proof for this and it requires just as much belief as a god does and is just as logical.

BumFluff122

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

You must be reading into what I said. My stance this entire thread was to tell people that there were alteratives and to place your belief unwaveringly in one belief or another is crazy. The alternatives never will disprove a God because there will always be unanswered questions that can easily be explaiend by somethign supernatural and unknown. I have never used the word 'better' in this thread either.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

And then i said there is basically no proof for this and it requires just as much belief as a god does and is just as logical.

magnax1

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

And then i said there is basically no proof for this and it requires just as much belief as a god does and is just as logical.

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Um, whats your point? I dont see a problem.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And to place your belief completely in one without any evidence what-so-ever is even more illogical. Which is the point I am trying to make.

sSubZerOo

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And to place your belief completely in one without any evidence what-so-ever is even more illogical. Which is the point I am trying to make.

sSubZerOo

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

You know what i mean, there are theories without proof. If you want me to say it differently, there are plenty of scientific ideas without any proof.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

magnax1

You know what i mean, there are theories without proof. If you want me to say it differently, there are plenty of scientific ideas without any proof.

Much to the chagrin of my girlfriend's mother (who is a devout, evangelical Mennonite; while my girlfriend, fortunately, is an agnostic theist who doesn't even believe Jesus was resurrected), I am not a Christian and never will be. I was baptised and went to church until I was 3 or 4... then from then on never had an interest in religion until late adolescence when I learned about Eastern philosophy. Now I'm an atheist who very much likes the non-theistic monism presented in the Upanishads.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] That is a contridiction.. Scientific theory is the cornerstone to science that has to have evidence and proof to substantiate the Scientific theory.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

And then i said there is basically no proof for this and it requires just as much belief as a god does and is just as logical.

magnax1

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But scientific theory is just the understanding humans have. Thus it's not infallible.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] That is a contridiction.. Scientific theory is the cornerstone to science that has to have evidence and proof to substantiate the Scientific theory.sSubZerOo

You know what i mean, there are theories without proof. If you want me to say it differently, there are plenty of scientific ideas without any proof.

...... no, but it is not proven, especially evolution from one species to another. I really dont want to start an arguement about evolution.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"](in orange) Once again, people assume God's judgement. Maybe The Bible says it, but quite frankly, The Bible isn't God.

(in red) If you do that, I'm sure you'll have a good chance at getting to Heaven. Note I said chance, I didn't say he WOULD, for I nor anyone else knows what and how God will judge us after death.

enterawesome

Well this topic was about Christianity so of course I am going to be basing things on the bible for this discussion. I personally don't believe in the bible at all....

And yeah, thats why I said I HOPE I do well. No one has any clue what happens when we die and theres no way for us to know.....

Well in that case the same thinking applies to other religions.

There is no way to tell what happens after we die and anyone who thinks they know is either dead or dumb.

I see no reason why I should waste what could be my only life following some arbitrary rules that I may or may not agree with to try and please someone elses vision of a God who may not even exist.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]And to place your belief completely in one without any evidence what-so-ever is even more illogical. Which is the point I am trying to make.

BumFluff122

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

Yes actually though your use of the word attempt may explain it. Your posts are not clear.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

But there is absoulutely no proof for alternate universes and many many other scientific theories, so it not more illogical, they both require faith without proof, they are both just as illogical

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

You know what i mean, there are theories without proof. If you want me to say it differently, there are plenty of scientific ideas without any proof.

...... no, but it is not proven, especially evolution from one species to another. I really dont want to start an arguement about evolution.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yes actually though your use of the word attempt may explain it. Your posts are not clear.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]

Not counting dead people, for obvious reasons, yeah, it's true. Religion is the table and we're all just making bets.

Theokhoth

Then obviously you guys have the answer, since you can say with definite certainty that nobody out of seven billion (living) people could possibly have an answer.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] That is a contridiction.. Scientific theory is the cornerstone to science that has to have evidence and proof to substantiate the Scientific theory.Teenaged

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

You know what i mean, there are theories without proof. If you want me to say it differently, there are plenty of scientific ideas without any proof.

magnax1

...... no, but it is not proven, especially evolution from one species to another. I really dont want to start an arguement about evolution.

Nobody really knows, no matter how much discussion there is about it. If somebody claims their belief to be more logical, then they are naive. Live your life, and hope that when you die, all of your questions will be answered.

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Let me guess you think the scientific thoeryevolution has no proof?

sSubZerOo

...... no, but it is not proven, especially evolution from one species to another. I really dont want to start an arguement about evolution.

They have proven they can change, but not from one species to another. All i have to say about all these theories and scientific beliefs is that at one point people believed "facts" like the world was the center of the universe and the world was flat, because they were people and didn't have the technology to prove otherwise. We are in the same place, most of these theories are without proof, like theories about black holes and alternate universes.

Nobody really knows, no matter how much discussion there is about it. If somebody claims their belief to be more logical, then they are naive. Live your life, and hope that when you die, all of your questions will be answered.

KcurtorMas

I tihnk you're missing the point that Theokhoth made about making those kinds of categorical statements.