Why is being an alcholic looked down on?

Because alcoholism has many negative effects on one's life, perhaps.Faylette

It can be a crutch if you dont use it in moderation/responsibly and a destroyer if you abuse it.

..but its also a lovely social lubricant. :oops:

*mouth waters*

Because alcoholismusually has many negative effects on others' lives, perhaps.Faylette

fixed. That's the real reason it is looked down upon. Nobody cares about what one does to one's own life.

good question. some other questions for thought: why is being a murder or pedo looked down upon?

why is suicide looked down upon?

interesting stuff.. :|

[QUOTE="Faylette"]Because alcoholism has many negative effects on one's life, perhaps.Funkdaddy13

agreed..my dad used to be an alcoholic and it stuff up alot of things...its not good for you at all and can lead to problems 30 years into the future (physical and menta)...

i know a family where the father is an alcoholic and they hate it soo much when he comes home drunk...

its just stupid how someone could not be looked down on....

Alcoholism can tear families apart very easily.

Also, it is important to determine the difference between a social drinker, a drinker, and an alcoholic. For the most part, there is little wrong with a few social drinks here and there, though it is possible for them to lead to worse. A drinker is a little worse, but having control is what differentiates that individual from an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is just...devastating to all.

Why are crack addicts looked down on? Same reason...

If they do it irresponsibly, they should be looked down upon. Zaeryn

Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.LIKETOPLAYGAMES

If having cancer meant you were constantly ****ing things up for me (getting fired, borrowing money, wrecking my car, getting arrested and making me bail your ass out at 3:30 AM), I'd look down on cancer patients too.

[QUOTE="LIKETOPLAYGAMES"]Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.MrGeezer

If having cancer meant you were constantly ****ing things up for me (getting fired, borrowing money, wrecking my car, getting arrested and making me bail your ass out at 3:30 AM), I'd look down on cancer patients too.

Agreed. Comparing cancer patients to alcoholics is ludicrous.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="LIKETOPLAYGAMES"]Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.Engrish_Major

If having cancer meant you were constantly ****ing things up for me (getting fired, borrowing money, wrecking my car, getting arrested and making me bail your ass out at 3:30 AM), I'd look down on cancer patients too.

Agreed. Comparing cancer patients to alcoholics is ludicrous.

Again, I must ask you to research this disorder further in order to get a clear understanding of the condition. Forget the stereotype you have in your head, every alcoholic is not Barney on the simpsons. I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out. However I cannot go an entire day without alcohol,My body has extremely adverse effects e.g.tremors, etc.You must understand that an alcoholic could be your school principle, a church leader, or any other position you find respectable. Alcoholism does not mean flaming drunken spells and passing out and puking, it merely means addiction, again I must say, I am a very responsible person, a nice person, a caring person, and If you saw me or met me you would have no idea of the constant torment that this addiction holds on my life. I understand that this forum is child/teenage based and understand your complaints of me comparing it to cancer, but I hold firm in my statement. Neither condition is curable, only treatable, and believe me I know you will say "just stop drinking" you cant, it's a progressive disease and the alcoholic will stop at NOTHING in order to consume alcohol, it is not controllable by yourself, and is treatable with positive results only about 10 to 20 per cent of the time. Please do not argue your points if you know nothing about the disease of addiction. I do URGE you to further research this condition though, argue with me all you want but learn something interesting and new and check wikipedia or any other trusted source about this. I'm sure you may change your minds on the issue, or at least get a better understanding. *POURS FROSTY ONE FROM KEG*

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="LIKETOPLAYGAMES"]Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.LIKETOPLAYGAMES

If having cancer meant you were constantly ****ing things up for me (getting fired, borrowing money, wrecking my car, getting arrested and making me bail your ass out at 3:30 AM), I'd look down on cancer patients too.

Agreed. Comparing cancer patients to alcoholics is ludicrous.

Again, I must ask you to research this disorder further in order to get a clear understanding of the condition. Forget the stereotype you have in your head, every alcoholic is not Barney on the simpsons. I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out. However I cannot go an entire day without alcohol,My body has extremely adverse effects e.g.tremors, etc.You must understand that an alcoholic could be your school principle, a church leader, or any other position you find respectable. Alcoholism does not mean flaming drunken spells and passing out and puking, it merely means addiction, again I must say, I am a very responsible person, a nice person, a caring person, and If you saw me or met me you would have no idea of the constant torment that this addiction holds on my life. I understand that this forum is child/teenage based and understand your complaints of me comparing it to cancer, but I hold firm in my statement. Neither condition is curable, only treatable, and believe me I know you will say "just stop drinking" you cant, it's a progressive disease and the alcoholic will stop at NOTHING in order to consume alcohol, it is not controllable by yourself, and is treatable with positive results only about 10 to 20 per cent of the time. Please do not argue your points if you know nothing about the disease of addiction. I do URGE you to further research this condition though, argue with me all you want but learn something interesting and new and check wikipedia or any other trusted source about this. I'm sure you may change your minds on the issue, or at least get a better understanding. *POURS FROSTY ONE FROM KEG*

I sympathize with your condition, but you still compare yourself to someone with cancer?

Again, I must ask you to research this disorder further in order to get a clear understanding of the condition. Forget the stereotype you have in your head, every alcoholic is not Barney on the simpsons. I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out. However I cannot go an entire day without alcohol,My body has extremely adverse effects e.g.tremors, etc.You must understand that an alcoholic could be your school principle, a church leader, or any other position you find respectable. Alcoholism does not mean flaming drunken spells and passing out and puking, it merely means addiction, again I must say, I am a very responsible person, a nice person, a caring person, and If you saw me or met me you would have no idea of the constant torment that this addiction holds on my life. I understand that this forum is child/teenage based and understand your complaints of me comparing it to cancer, but I hold firm in my statement. Neither condition is curable, only treatable, and believe me I know you will say "just stop drinking" you cant, it's a progressive disease and the alcoholic will stop at NOTHING in order to consume alcohol, it is not controllable by yourself, and is treatable with positive results only about 10 to 20 per cent of the time. Please do not argue your points if you know nothing about the disease of addiction. I do URGE you to further research this condition though, argue with me all you want but learn something interesting and new and check wikipedia or any other trusted source about this. I'm sure you may change your minds on the issue, or at least get a better understanding. *POURS FROSTY ONE FROM KEG*

LIKETOPLAYGAMES

You compared alchoholism and cancer and haven't withdrawn the statement...I don't seriously think you can believe they compare. Alchoholism can be defeated through willpower, regardless of the adverse physical effects from withdrawl. That's the price you pay for letting it go that far. Cancer cannot be overcome through such means.

Regardles of you saying otherwise...you can stop drinking through sheer willpower, and its not something that is out of your control. Any addiction you create, you can destroy. Look at former niccotine addictsand cocaine junkies. Cocaine creates a stronger physical dependence in your body for it than alchohol does. If people can overcome that, there is absolutely no reason alchoholism can't be overcome in the same fashion.

Ok, Fine you got me I retract my cancer statement, but I got my point across right?? This is not just a thing that you choose, it's not for the irresponsible, it is a disease which is not curable and constant treatment and support are necessary to prolong the afflicted's life. It also does not choose gender, race, age, or anything else, it can happen to anybody and is not selective and is extremely fatal, see where I relate it to cancer? Anyway, No more bashing on my relation, however I did get everyonetalking and am glad that I saw this thread, It has sparked some very thoughtful responses, and I am glad I got to take part in the conversation.

Whoever started this thread, GOOD WORK, this is an example of a really good thread, It's not134one word responses, Cheers.

[QUOTE="LIKETOPLAYGAMES"]

Again, I must ask you to research this disorder further in order to get a clear understanding of the condition. Forget the stereotype you have in your head, every alcoholic is not Barney on the simpsons. I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out. However I cannot go an entire day without alcohol,My body has extremely adverse effects e.g.tremors, etc.You must understand that an alcoholic could be your school principle, a church leader, or any other position you find respectable. Alcoholism does not mean flaming drunken spells and passing out and puking, it merely means addiction, again I must say, I am a very responsible person, a nice person, a caring person, and If you saw me or met me you would have no idea of the constant torment that this addiction holds on my life. I understand that this forum is child/teenage based and understand your complaints of me comparing it to cancer, but I hold firm in my statement. Neither condition is curable, only treatable, and believe me I know you will say "just stop drinking" you cant, it's a progressive disease and the alcoholic will stop at NOTHING in order to consume alcohol, it is not controllable by yourself, and is treatable with positive results only about 10 to 20 per cent of the time. Please do not argue your points if you know nothing about the disease of addiction. I do URGE you to further research this condition though, argue with me all you want but learn something interesting and new and check wikipedia or any other trusted source about this. I'm sure you may change your minds on the issue, or at least get a better understanding. *POURS FROSTY ONE FROM KEG*

Fortier

You compared alchoholism and cancer and haven't withdrawn the statement...I don't seriously think you can believe they compare. Alchoholism can be defeated through willpower, regardless of the adverse physical effects from withdrawl. That's the price you pay for letting it go that far. Cancer cannot be overcome through such means.

Regardles of you saying otherwise...you can stop drinking through sheer willpower, and its not something that is out of your control. Any addiction you create, you can destroy. Look at former niccotine addictsand cocaine junkies. Cocaine creates a stronger physical dependence in your body for it than alchohol does. If people can overcome that, there is absolutely no reason alchoholism can't be overcome in the same fashion.

Good stuff my friend...Good stuff, I like this, Great stuff.

Because alcoholism has many negative effects on one's life, perhaps.Faylette

exactly

Because when people are perpetually drunk they do stupid stuff perpetually?StealthedRogue

no, they get used to it.

Because its a bad thing. What positive points could possibly be salvaged from being an alcoholic? :|Bourbons3

lol. good point.

Because alcoholism has many negative effects on one's life, perhaps.Faylette

Exactly. Especially on mine.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="LIKETOPLAYGAMES"]Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.LIKETOPLAYGAMES

If having cancer meant you were constantly ****ing things up for me (getting fired, borrowing money, wrecking my car, getting arrested and making me bail your ass out at 3:30 AM), I'd look down on cancer patients too.

Agreed. Comparing cancer patients to alcoholics is ludicrous.

Again, I must ask you to research this disorder further in order to get a clear understanding of the condition. Forget the stereotype you have in your head, every alcoholic is not Barney on the simpsons. I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out. However I cannot go an entire day without alcohol,My body has extremely adverse effects e.g.tremors, etc.You must understand that an alcoholic could be your school principle, a church leader, or any other position you find respectable. Alcoholism does not mean flaming drunken spells and passing out and puking, it merely means addiction, again I must say, I am a very responsible person, a nice person, a caring person, and If you saw me or met me you would have no idea of the constant torment that this addiction holds on my life. I understand that this forum is child/teenage based and understand your complaints of me comparing it to cancer, but I hold firm in my statement. Neither condition is curable, only treatable, and believe me I know you will say "just stop drinking" you cant, it's a progressive disease and the alcoholic will stop at NOTHING in order to consume alcohol, it is not controllable by yourself, and is treatable with positive results only about 10 to 20 per cent of the time. Please do not argue your points if you know nothing about the disease of addiction. I do URGE you to further research this condition though, argue with me all you want but learn something interesting and new and check wikipedia or any other trusted source about this. I'm sure you may change your minds on the issue, or at least get a better understanding. *POURS FROSTY ONE FROM KEG*

My dad is what i guess you could call a "responsible" alcoholic, meaning that he never drinks and drive and never leaves the house drunk. My dad has a highpaying job, loads of friends and a car.

When my dad isn't drinking, he is the person i charish the most on this Earth, but when he is drinking, i seriously feel like smacking him in the head with a bat. Call me insane, but that is how i feel.

I have never wrecked a car, never been fired, never have been arrested "well for that at least" and have never asked for money to be bailed out.

LIKETOPLAYGAMES

Well then I don't have a problem with you, do I?

I drink way too ****ing much too, but I still manage to hold a job, pay my bills, and do the things that I have to do. If I want to have a dozen drinks after work, and it doesn't **** things up, what business is it of yours?

On the other hand, if you walk up to me stinking of liquor and start bugging me for ****ing money, I'm gonna tell you to **** the **** right off. I don't care if you've got a disease. That's not the point. The point is that you won't stop ****ing bothering me.

But yeah, I tend to look down on the OBVIOUS alcoholics, because they are the ones most likely to **** things up for me. As you said, lots of alcoholics hide their alcoholism and manage to function more or less normally without seeming to be alcoholics. And yeah, in those cases, I DON'T know that they're alcoholics. Which means that they're cool with me, because they're hiding their alcoholism well enough so as to not **** up my groove.

But if you're an alcoholic, and I can tell that you're an alcoholic, I'm gonna look down on you. If you can't even avoid being an OBVIOUS alcoholic (which is EASY compared to not being an alcoholic), then I'm gonna assume that you're gonna **** things up for me. Looking like you're not gonna **** things up is a hell of a lot easier than actually not ****ing things up. And if you can't even do the easy part, I'm gonna assume that you can't do the difficult part either.

Calling all idiots !!! Alcoholism is a disease, just like cancer or mental illness, do you look down upon someone with cancer, do you look down upon someone with a disability... No one wants to be an alcoholic, do some more research on this subjuct before you make a thread that makes you and all posters look like asses. Thanks. p.s. I' an alcoholic who has been struggling with it for years, it's not a persons choice to be like this, it's much, much more complicated than you can comprehend. Why do you think there are specialists in the field of recovery and it is such a widespread problem, it is notjust an easy choice to drink or not drink, people don't choose this.LIKETOPLAYGAMES

What he's saying is correct, it is a disease. And yes, do some research about it guys, you will learn a lot.

EDIT: I wish you the best man, I have family going through the same thing.

One time I was having a cigarette break and this bum walked up to me, bottle of liquor in hand, and sits down next to me. He starts guzzling his liquor until it's gone. Then he asks me for money so that he can buy some "milk".

And I'm like, "uh...no."

Then he's like, "please man, my stomach hurts! I need some milk to soothe my stomach!"

And I'm like, "if you drink like that all the time, of course your stomach hurts. You still get no money, because you're just gonna go buy another bottle of booze."

Then he starts getting mad, and starts yelling at me about how he's a Vietnam veteran and how I owe him money because he fought for my freedoms.

Then I'm like, "you might have fought for my freedoms, but I worked for MY money. And you aren't getting it."

Then he starts cursing at me about how I don't respect veterans.

Then I'm like, "sure I respect veterans. Two of my uncles are Vietnam veterans. They just aren't nasty disgusting drunks."

just curious.Andrew_is_basic