Why is being "Right-Wing" considered as bad these days?

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#1 Hiddai
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It's just a feeling of mine. I feel like today if you are right-wing then it isn't "good". Has the world turned into a leftists lovers place? Stalin and Mao Tse Tung have both done more damage to their citizens than Hitler and Musolini (I don't support any of them of course) did. In the past, kings were proud that they have succeeded in conquering other kingdomes and today the word "Conquer" is, apparently, a bad word. I know it's a complicated question but it seems today people don't give a XXXX about their countries and all they want to do is have fun and get drunk or whatever (lol). I'm curious why is it happening?

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Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

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#3  Edited By Flubbbs
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left and right are just constructs to divide people

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The stereotype of the "right-wing" in America is filled with the Evangelicals, those hoodwinked by the extreme right-wing media (Limbaugh, Beck, etc.), and gun-toting crazies that want to march on Washington and forcibly remove this President from office for not being born in this country.

In reality, this is a minority of the voting public, but they hold quite a sway of the GOP party as a whole, via the Tea Party.

Whatever word you put on that group of people, they don't represent the whole of conservatives, or the GOP. The Tea Party and similar are great for sound bytes, and for raising hell in the media, but they haven't done anything significant except for bringing Washing to a halt politically, and creating division within the GOP.

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its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

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Right wingers have much more tendency to be extremists. They are more susceptible to blind allegiance to a doctrine or ideology. Most importantly, they place that allegiance above anything and everything else. If their ideology of choice comes into conflict with the interest of the state or of society at large they will still choose to serve the ideology. **** the state and **** its people. They will follow the hegemons of their doctrine to the end of the earth thus making the hegemons' exploitation of them easy and of often catastrophic proportions. They are for the most part at war with the state and its people, impairing and undermining the state from within in their pursuit of realizing their values and beliefs at all cost. Agents of inciting unrests and dismantling the social fabric. All of this points to the fact that they gave up on reason and sovereignty over their own minds and existences in return of their allegiance to the ideological hive mind and its authoritative and dominant leaders.

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#7  Edited By Darkman2007
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@GazaAli said:

Right wingers have much more tendency to be extremists. They are more susceptible to blind allegiance to a doctrine or ideology. Most importantly, they place that allegiance above anything and everything else. If their ideology of choice comes into conflict with the interest of the state or of society at large they will still choose to serve the ideology. **** the state and **** its people. They will follow the hegemons of their doctrine to the end of the earth thus making the hegemons' exploitation of them easy and of often catastrophic proportions. They are for the most part at war with the state and its people, impairing and undermining the state from within in their pursuit of realizing their values and beliefs at all cost. Agents of inciting unrests and dismantling the social fabric. All of this points to the fact that they gave up on reason and sovereignty over their own minds and existences in return of their allegiance to the ideological hive mind and its authoritative and dominant leaders.

Ive seen people on the left do some very similar things, just about any extremest will blindly follow his ideology at the cost of reality.

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@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

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#9  Edited By Hiddai
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@Darkman2007:

In Tel-Aviv, the general environment is very "lefty". Tel-Aviv is the most hated city in Israel by the people who don't live there (lol). They blame their citizens that unless a missile\rocket would fall on them, they would remain in their views. Of course, i don't know if this is true, but the feeling is that the left represent the more "civilized" people and as you have said, the left can be even more dangerous than the right. While both extremists are dangerous, i feel the world is more lefty pretty much here in the scale:

|Left|-------X---|Center|----------|Right|

Of course, it's not like i have done any survey or some kind of research and it's just my general feeling. When i see the conservative people are loosing power and the liberalists winning power. Being conservative seems like being barbarous and i fail to see the justification for that.

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#10 Darkman2007
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@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

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#11 GazaAli
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@Darkman2007 said:

@GazaAli said:

Right wingers have much more tendency to be extremists. They are more susceptible to blind allegiance to a doctrine or ideology. Most importantly, they place that allegiance above anything and everything else. If their ideology of choice comes into conflict with the interest of the state or of society at large they will still choose to serve the ideology. **** the state and **** its people. They will follow the hegemons of their doctrine to the end of the earth thus making the hegemons' exploitation of them easy and of often catastrophic proportions. They are for the most part at war with the state and its people, impairing and undermining the state from within in their pursuit of realizing their values and beliefs at all cost. Agents of inciting unrests and dismantling the social fabric. All of this points to the fact that they gave up on reason and sovereignty over their own minds and existences in return of their allegiance to the ideological hive mind and its authoritative and dominant leaders.

Ive seen people on the left do some very similar things, just about any extremest will blindly follow his ideology at the cost of reality.

Absolutely, this can be found among the adherents and followers of any ideology, social class, political party...etc. The leftists are still interested in their ideology or the doctrine they serve and they're certainly interested in its realization. But I think they are willing to be more subtle about it, taking a step back when deemed necessary or pressing, when the public opinion is not in favor of it or is not willing to accept it.

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#13 Darkman2007
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@Hiddai said:

@Darkman2007:

In Tel-Aviv, the general environment is very "lefty". Tel-Aviv is the most hated city in Israel by the people who don't live there (lol). They blame their citizens that unless a missile\rocket would fall on them, they would remain in their views. Of course, i don't know if this is true, but the feeling is that the left represent the more "civilized" people and as you have said, the left can be even more dangerous than the right. While both extremists are dangerous, i feel the world is more lefty pretty much here in the scale:

|Left|-------X---|Center|----------|Right|

Of course, it's not like i have done any survey or some kind of research and it's just my general feeling. When i see the conservative people are loosing power and the liberalists winning power. Being conservative seems like being barbarous and i fail to see the justification for that.

different countries fit differently on the scale, one can't put Canada and Venezuela in the same place.

though youre right on Tel Aviv ,alot of people there have views closer to the average person in New York as opposed to someone in Netanya.

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#14 GazaAli
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@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

It isn't in the Middle East certainly. Even in Europe, it may be vocal at times but I'm not sure it holds any real weight in policy making and governance.

On the other hand, I can only think of the Middle East and the U.S where the right has enough influence and followers to affect policy making and governance of the state, and in both instances the right is fucking up the place, in its own way in both of the places of course.

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@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

The far right is gaining a lot of power in European politics over the last few years.

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#16  Edited By one_plum
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To most countries in the western world, the US is generally seen as a country leaning to the right.

To Europeans (and Canadians), American liberal is like moderate right and American conservative is like extreme right.

To Americans, European moderate is like an American socialist and European liberal is like an American communist.

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#17 Darkman2007
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@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

It isn't in the Middle East certainly. Even in Europe, it may be vocal at times but I'm not sure it holds any real weight in policy making and governance.

On the other hand, I can only think of the Middle East and the U.S where the right has enough influence and followers to affect policy making and governance of the state, and in both instances the right is fucking up the place, in its own way in both of the places of course.

also remember that the right in Europe or even in the US is not the same as the right in the Middle East.

the right in Europe is mostly secular, it doesn't strive to create theocracies (you know we have them too , just not quite as blatant as it is in the Arab world) and its more towards the centre (you could say the same about the mainstream left too) , ie, in Europe or the US you might have a debate over whether gays should have the right to marry.

in the Middle East, the left and right are still debating whether gays even have the right to live in alot of cases, ie there is less of a middle ground.

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#18  Edited By deeliman
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@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

It isn't in the Middle East certainly. Even in Europe, it may be vocal at times but I'm not sure it holds any real weight in policy making and governance.

On the other hand, I can only think of the Middle East and the U.S where the right has enough influence and followers to affect policy making and governance of the state, and in both instances the right is fucking up the place, in its own way in both of the places of course.

It depends on what you perceive as far left. If you're talking about people who want a communist society, they almost don't exist in Europe. But socialist parties, who value equality above all else, do have weight in policy making and governance.

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#19 Darkman2007
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@deeliman said:

@Darkman2007 said:
@GazaAli said:

@Darkman2007 said:

its just stigma left over from the second world war, which painted the far right as somehow uniquely evil , when in reality the far left can be just as bad, just as bigoted/racist , and just as uncaring about human life.

I find both to be silly , and Ive got examples of both in my family, in both cases they happen to be some of the most politically blind and naive people I know

The left can certainly be as bad as the far right no question there. But don't you think that the right is more susceptible to being extreme? To put it in another way, don't you think today's right is far more extreme than its left counterpart?

it depends on the country or region to be honest, for instance I don't think the far left is a problem in the Middle East, wheres in Europe its more common.

The far right is gaining a lot of power in European politics over the last few years.

there is some truth to that , particularly in France and Hungary, but at the same time, the far right is also more stigmatized in Europe, given the continent's bad experience with it in the last century.

the far left , or left in general doesn't have that stigma (despite the fact it was pushed by some of the worst regimes in history)

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It all depends really. Right opposed to left has many interpretations. Extremism is bad in every form. For example the notion of equality, an extreme liberal view of equality is not only equal rights but "one person one vote," while an extreme autocratic view of equality used to be "many votes one unqualified person."

The problem is both are bad and both are prevalent in todays society. The common folk can all vote without even checking whether they know what they're voting for, and in the end dumb megalomaniacs get to rule us all because of that.

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According to some here, a bad apple spoils the cart. Which I don't believe.

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Because they have screwed up just as bad as the liberals now a days. We're at the point where both sides absolutely suck, it's almost a lose/lose situation. Do not feel like elaborating right now, so don't reply and be like, "Well what's your reasoning?!?!" It's just my simple opinion.

That's all folks, thanks for watching.

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Because the right wing fvcked everything up during the Reagan and Thatcher years.

Also, "right wing" brings an association to the GOP. And the current GOP are obstructionists at best and evil at worst.

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#24  Edited By foxhound_fox
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Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Musolini were all on the same side. The side of insanity.

"Wings" in politics is stupid. There are two many dimensions to the field to be distilled into two directions. And to think someone is part of a "side" is ridiculous. What do you call someone who holds liberal social views and conservative fiscal views but does not share the views of the Libertarian party, nor do they find most of what libertarians stand for agreeable?

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#25  Edited By lamprey263
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Let me count the ways...

They hate people voting, they hate secularism, they hate gays, they hate women having a say in their reproductive rights, they think raped women who get pregnant can't get pregnant unless they really deep inside wanted it, they hate equal rights, they hate the poor, they hate the minimum wage, they hate measures to protect against pay discrimination, they hate workers rights, they hate environmental regulations, they hate qualified government appointees, they hate government, they hate science, they hate affordable healthcare, and unless they have their way they're willing to scorch and salt the earth.

What do they love? They love Ayn Rand who philosophizes the virtues of greed, they love making up bogus scandals that have no merit but hoping people still think they're true, they love making fake Obama birth certificates, they love sending racist emails and saying "I'm not racist I have a friend who is... um, er, colored", they love global warming denialism, they love posters of dead fetuses, they love prayer in school, they love guns and tongue and cheek comments about gun violence against their political opposition, they love having dumb washed up models report the "news" on Fox, they love their version of Christianity, they love theocracy in government, they love people who talk like they have an IQ of 80 and say nucilar and y'all, they love taking peoples voting rights away.

Oh, and they passed the federal ban on weed.

Do you really have to ask?

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@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

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Two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.

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#28  Edited By Barbariser
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This is a joke right? Far more people use the word "leftist" as an insult than the opposite way round. There has in fact been a high level of support for right-wing governments for the past few decades in most of the world. In fact the only major democratic nations I can think of that have left-wing governments are the U.S., India, Brazil and France. And the French "socialist" president may as well be a right-winger anyway due to his love for austerity and beating up brown people.

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@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

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@dave123321 said:

According to some here, a bad apple spoils the cart. Which I don't believe.

This.

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#31  Edited By Chutebox  Online
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Because left wing nuts are taking control.

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Because every moderate conservative voice is being drowned out by extremists these days.

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#33  Edited By Jacobistheman
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@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

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You have communist dictatorships but you don't have fascist dictatorships anymore.

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#35  Edited By deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

The right contains lots of racists and homophobes. I'm not saying they're all extremists or even most of them are.

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@Hiddai said:

It's just a feeling of mine. I feel like today if you are right-wing then it isn't "good". Has the world turned into a leftists lovers place? Stalin and Mao Tse Tung have both done more damage to their citizens than Hitler and Musolini (I don't support any of them of course) did. In the past, kings were proud that they have succeeded in conquering other kingdomes and today the word "Conquer" is, apparently, a bad word. I know it's a complicated question but it seems today people don't give a XXXX about their countries and all they want to do is have fun and get drunk or whatever (lol). I'm curious why is it happening?

Because often, right wing = Anti abortion, anti gay rights, anti civil liberties etc.

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#37  Edited By Jacobistheman
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@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

The right contains lots of racists and homophobes. I'm not saying they're all extremists or even most of them are.

The right contains very few racists and homophones (just because you are opposed to same sex marriage doesn't mean you are homophobic)

Answer one question: which political party/ideology was the one that pushed for the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement, and which one opposed it?

And the left contains people who put more value on the lives of animals than humans and fight tooth and nail to let parents kill unborn children because they "aren't ready" and don't want kids. How is this less extreme?

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@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

The right contains lots of racists and homophobes. I'm not saying they're all extremists or even most of them are.

The right contains very few racists and homophones (just because you are opposed to same sex marriage doesn't mean you are homophobic)

Answer one question: which political party/ideology was the one that pushed for the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement, and which one opposed it?

Yes it does. What possible other reason could there be for opposing same sex marriage other than being a bigoted homophobe?

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#39  Edited By deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

The right contains lots of racists and homophobes. I'm not saying they're all extremists or even most of them are.

The right contains very few racists and homophones (just because you are opposed to same sex marriage doesn't mean you are homophobic)

Answer one question: which political party/ideology was the one that pushed for the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement, and which one opposed it?

And the left contains people who put more value on the lives of animals than humans and fight tooth and nail to let parents kill unborn children because they "aren't ready" and don't want kids. How is this less extreme?

Does opposing inter-racial marriage make you racist?

The parties back then aren't the same as the ones now. That's also only American politics, not the left right spectrum as a whole.

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@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

Extremism is bad. People on the right generally hold more extremist views than anyone else.

Because people believe and spread lies like this.

Hows it a lie?

Because people on the right are not more extremist than the ones on the left. If you believe otherwise, the burden of proof is on one, because you are the one that initially made the claim.

(And it makes me really said that you actually believe this)

The right contains lots of racists and homophobes. I'm not saying they're all extremists or even most of them are.

The right contains very few racists and homophones (just because you are opposed to same sex marriage doesn't mean you are homophobic)

Answer one question: which political party/ideology was the one that pushed for the abolition of slavery and the civil rights movement, and which one opposed it?

And the left contains people who put more value on the lives of animals than humans and fight tooth and nail to let parents kill unborn children because they "aren't ready" and don't want kids. How is this less extreme?

Does opposing inter-racial marriage make you racist?

The parties back then aren't the same as the ones now. That's also only American politics, not the left right spectrum as a whole.

The republican parties stance on racism and segregation is similar to it was in in the 50-60s. Sure the Democrat party stopped supporting racism after that period, so many racists stopped supporting them because of that, but that doesn't mean that the republican party somehow became more racist.

For the record: I do not support the government putting restrictions on marriage.

Yes, opposing inter-racial marriage does make your racist, but that doesn't have a correlation to being homophobic. There are some significant differences: marriage has always been a religious concept (based in Christianity in the West), sure that has changed some recently (and we have seen a correlation with that transition and divorces, single parents families, etc). The Bible specifically mentions that homosexuality is a sin (many times) and talks many times about marriage between a man and a women. Just because religious people don't want a religious concept changed to accommodate those who their religion says clearly shouldn't take part doesn't make that person homophobic. Most people who do not support gay marriage are not homophobic.

Also, you never answered my second question.

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@Jacobistheman: Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on marriage; nor has it invented it. Marriage isn't just a religious concept.

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@Jacobistheman: Christians don't own marriage. So not only are you homophobic but you oppose religious freedom? Nice to know.

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#43  Edited By Braun_Roid_Rage
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@tenaka2 said:

@Hiddai said:

It's just a feeling of mine. I feel like today if you are right-wing then it isn't "good". Has the world turned into a leftists lovers place? Stalin and Mao Tse Tung have both done more damage to their citizens than Hitler and Musolini (I don't support any of them of course) did. In the past, kings were proud that they have succeeded in conquering other kingdomes and today the word "Conquer" is, apparently, a bad word. I know it's a complicated question but it seems today people don't give a XXXX about their countries and all they want to do is have fun and get drunk or whatever (lol). I'm curious why is it happening?

Because often, right wing = Anti abortion, anti gay rights

AKA what is right.

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I think some of you people think that: Right = Fascism, Left = Normal. I am not talking about fascism nor communism (the extreme sides). I'm talking about the normal right\left (more moderates.)

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@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman: Christians don't own marriage. So not only are you homophobic but you oppose religious freedom? Nice to know.

You are a pretty terrible troll (in addition to clearly not reading what I said)

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#46  Edited By Jacobistheman
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@Jacobistheman: Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on marriage; nor has it invented it. Marriage isn't just a religious concept.

Whether you agree or disagree with that line of thought isn't the point. The point is that the reason why the majority of people oppose same sex marriage is not because they "having irrational hatred of homosexuality" as you implied in your earlier comment.

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@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman: Christians don't own marriage. So not only are you homophobic but you oppose religious freedom? Nice to know.

You are a pretty terrible troll (in addition to clearly not reading what I said)

You said that a reason to oppose same sex marriage is due to religious beliefs. Meaning you oppose freedom of religion as you are forcing those beliefs onto people regardless of their religious views.

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#48  Edited By Jimn_tonic
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Because human nature is progressive.

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#49  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@toast_burner said:

@Jacobistheman: Christians don't own marriage. So not only are you homophobic but you oppose religious freedom? Nice to know.

You are a pretty terrible troll (in addition to clearly not reading what I said)

You said that a reason to oppose same sex marriage is due to religious beliefs. Meaning you oppose freedom of religion as you are forcing those beliefs onto people regardless of their religious views.

Or feels it's okay to hide behind religion to justify awful opinions.

As if religious beliefs are somehow sacred and worth more than other beliefs. Pretty much a prime example of how deplorable socially conservative views are.

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Left-wing gets a pretty bad rep nowadays too.

The mainstream doesn't like extremism on either side.