Why is it okay for animals to kill for survival and not humans?

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#1 jakarai
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I was just watching National Geographic Channel. It was showing these killer whales attacking these gray whales. The killer whales were trying to seperate the calf from it's mother. Anyway it got me thinking. It's a sin to kill someone right? Animals do it as a means to survive. Is it sinful to kill someone if it means it could prevent them form killing someone you love or yourself?
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#2 jubino
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Yeah, I've never seen any PETA members come up and spray paint an orca after eating a seal, although that would be cool...
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#3 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Yeah, I've never seen any PETA members come up and spray paint an orca after eating a seal, although that would be cool...jubino

I have to admit, the thought of that is awesome. :lol:

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#4 Sajedene
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Self defense laws?
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#5 jubino
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[QUOTE="jubino"]Yeah, I've never seen any PETA members come up and spray paint an orca after eating a seal, although that would be cool...Genetic_Code

I have to admit, the thought of that is awesome. :lol:

Isn't it, though? I'd love to see that. Either that or see someone like Hayden Paniterre (or however it's spelled) get eaten by a dolphin or whatever it was she was trying to save. Justice, the grizzly man way.

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#6 carrot-cake
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Self defense laws?Sajedene

Pretty much. Although sometimes those dont help.
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#7 StaindShadow
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I was just watching National Geographic Channel. It was showing these killer whales attacking these gray whales. The killer whales were trying to seperate the calf from it's mother. Anyway it got me thinking. It's a sin to kill someone right? Animals do it as a means to survive. Is it sinful to kill someone if it means it could prevent them form killing someone you love or yourself?jakarai

Not if you're not into the whole, you know, "God" and "sins" thing.

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#8 Xeros606
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free will, but its existence is moot.
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#9 hockey73
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Morals.
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#10 diped
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What? if I'm hungry, and you have a sandwich, you are going down.
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#11 felixworks
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I don't know anything about sins, but in my mind, killing is killing. Whether it be a seal, human, or even just an orchid. It's all the same: the end of a life.
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#12 Obama71
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That's not a sin to me. Idk about anyone else.
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#13 SpaceMoose
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People find lots of ways to justify killing other people actually if you think about it. I mean, it's not like humanity can go for any real length of time without a war of some sort...

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#14 jubino
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What? if I'm hungry, and you have a sandwich, you are going down.diped

Does that just apply to animals, or people too? Don't eat me!

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#15 StaindShadow
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What? if I'm hungry, and you have a sandwich, you are going down.diped

*pauses*

*drops sandwich*

I don't know anything about sins, but in my mind, killing is killing. Whether it be a seal, human, or even just an orchid. It's all the same: the end of a life. felixworks

^^This.

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#16 Bloodbath_87
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Self defense. If I come to your house and try to kill you or someone in your family you have a right to blow my head off.
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#17 domatron23
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Got naturalistic fallacy?

Nature doesn't determine morals although I would not always call murder immoral.

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#18 momo372
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Well animals kill each other to survive, humans have all the surviving needs. Plus its common sense not to kill someone. Period.
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#19 foxhound_fox
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Stopping someone from bringing harm to another is not "wrong" in any way. Once someone threatens the life of another they forfeit their right to life.
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#20 lordlors
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First of all, please don't attack me since this is my own opinion and i'm just expressing it. Anyway, that's why there are no absolute good or absolute bad. Rules can be bended. Sometimes rules are against us sometimes it is with us.

Still, i'm against killing. In my own belief, just because someone is committing a wrongdoing, you have no right to kill him/her because you have also committed a wrongdoing in your life. When it comes to self-defense, it would be so much better to find other ways to survive having not to kill a person.Though, war will always exist since there are conflicts but i believe war is illogical.

I would just like to add: Humans kill some animals and plants for survival. I'm referring to the food we eat. Some animals kill humans if they feel threatened and it is still for survival.

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#21 siberian142
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Humans already have the means to survive without killing. If it was for self preservation, like being stranded somewere, killing a animal would be nesscary to prevent starvation. Animals however don't have the same resources to survive as humans do so killing others is nesscary to them for survival.

Although it isn't right if your life was in danger and it was kill or be killed it would be nesscary. Animals are more primitive then people and I'm sure they don't give a second thought to protecting their young or themselfs from other agresive animals.
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#22 Zaeryn
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I'm pretty sure it IS okay to kill somebody to survive if you have no other way of getting out of the situation.
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#23 jubino
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Stopping someone from bringing harm to another is not "wrong" in any way. Once someone threatens the life of another they forfeit their right to life.foxhound_fox

At least until the person's family takes you to court and you get charged for manslaughter.

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#24 soulless4now
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I was just watching National Geographic Channel. It was showing these killer whales attacking these gray whales. The killer whales were trying to seperate the calf from it's mother. Anyway it got me thinking. It's a sin to kill someone right? Animals do it as a means to survive. Is it sinful to kill someone if it means it could prevent them form killing someone you love or yourself?jakarai
I saw that same thing you're talking about in my Oceanography class back in high school. :o It was sad. ;__;
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#25 SpaceMoose
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...Rules can be bended...

lordlors

How apropos.