Why is it Okay to Kill People At War

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]War is different. It's an armed conflict which tends to mean kill or be killed. And it can ultimately save many lives. Also I don't find hunger nor money to be a legitimate reason to kill.LJS9502_basic

It can be if you're in the right situation.

Greed, hunger, territory, safety, whatever. There's a situation in which any reason for killing can be justified.

Scenario: You need money to buy food. Without food, you die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. You live. It was kill or be killed.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

It can be if you're in the right situation.

buldog300

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

It can be if you're in the right situation.

THE_DRUGGIE

Greed, hunger, territory, safety, whatever. There's a situation in which any reason for killing can be justified.

Scenario: You need money to buy food. Without food, you die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. You live. It was kill or be killed.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

It's not okay. I think there are rules of engagment and stuff. Say a soldier from the opposing side raises his hands in surrender, you cannot kill him in the rules of war.

But heh....usually wars happen and are conducted so the other side never does the bad thing they are doing again.

Killing someone because your hungry doesn't make sense.

outworld222

It would if you were in one of the more unstable African nations.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What can? Killing for greed?LJS9502_basic

A lot of wars are based on greed. It's just not individual greed.

War is different. It's an armed conflict which tends to mean kill or be killed. And it can ultimately save many lives. Also I don't find hunger nor money to be a legitimate reason to kill.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

A lot of wars are based on greed. It's just not individual greed.

buldog300

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]War is different. It's an armed conflict which tends to mean kill or be killed. And it can ultimately save many lives. Also I don't find hunger nor money to be a legitimate reason to kill.cee1gee

[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What can? Killing for greed?LJS9502_basic

Because killing in war is considered an act of self defense not only for you but for your country, thats why its tolerated.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

It can be if you're in the right situation.

sSubZerOo

To be frank from a historical perspective, thats what all war is about.. For greed and power..

Other organisms kill each other because they must consume each other to survive. When humans kill, the bodies are just left, and not usually returned to the Earth (coffins, morgues, etc). I see no problem with killing someone if you live somewhere like America and consuming them if you can not afford food.

[QUOTE="outworld222"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

It would if you were in one of the more unstable African nations.

OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And do we consider those wars just?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="buldog300"] It's easy to say it's for greed when you have a computer, a warm bed and food every night. Not so much when life is stacked against you. Always remember that you can only truly understand someone's situation by experiencing it.buldog300

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What can? Killing for greed?LJS9502_basic

A lot of wars are based on greed. It's just not individual greed.

Depends on who you ask and the specific circumstances. And of course, it's not like most wars have single reasons, they are often very multifaceted (with greed and lust for power often being a major factor).

However, the question simply needs to be altered with an example: Is it wrong for a German soldier to kill Polish soldiers when Germany invaded Poland, and why?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="buldog300"] In war, just is just a word used by the enemy to gain moral superiority over you.buldog300

Depends on who you ask and the specific circumstances. And of course, it's not like most wars have single reasons, they are often very multifaceted (with greed and lust for power often being a major factor).

However, the question simply needs to be altered with an example: Is it wrong for a German soldier to kill Polish soldiers when Germany invaded Poland, and why?

SgtKevali

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

It's not okay. I think there are rules of engagment and stuff. Say a soldier from the opposing side raises his hands in surrender, you cannot kill him in the rules of war.

But heh....usually wars happen and are conducted so the other side never does the bad thing they are doing again.

Killing someone because your hungry doesn't make sense.

outworld222

It would if you were in one of the more unstable African nations.

There are warlord forces and gurrilla groups in many parts that literally have a strangle hold on the food.. The whole US incidient within Somalia during the early 90s was directly due to this in trying to stop it form happening.. Your tremendous nieve to think that this stuff doesn't happen in the world.

This question can't be real. :| In war you are fighting other people who signed up to fight. Murding someone on the streets isn't even close to the same thing.

Pirate700

By that logic, shouldn't duelling be allowed?

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What can? Killing for greed?LJS9502_basic

Greed, hunger, territory, safety, whatever. There's a situation in which any reason for killing can be justified.

Scenario: You need money to buy food. Without food, you die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. You live. It was kill or be killed.

But it was kill or be killed, which was your major argument for justifying killing in war. I did notice that you also said "saving lives" was a large part, so I'll revise it as so:

There is no means to grow food for your village. You need money to buy food for your village. Without food, your village will die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. Your village lives. It was kill or be killed.

Now since it was kill or be killed and ultimately saved lives, it is justifiable.

because in war, there are other people trying to kill you too. not the same as killing a defenseless person because you need money. :|

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What can? Killing for greed?Drakebunny

To be frank from a historical perspective, thats what all war is about.. For greed and power..

Other organisms kill each other because they must consume each other to survive. When humans kill, the bodies are just left, and not usually returned to the Earth (coffins, morgues, etc). I see no problem with killing someone if you live somewhere like America and consuming them if you can not afford food.

I contend that it isn't right or wrong, I am just sick of people claiming that many wars are justified as being classifed as morally correct because of rights and ideals..

[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah but who is stopping that individual from making more of his life. It's a lazy, selfish way out to kill rather than work for something.

LJS9502_basic

Then maybe they should work to change it......but an individual being hungry is not a justified reason to kill the guy next to him.

In order to change it you would need, wait for it, WAR. NO government with absolute power is going to relinquish that power, no in one day, no in a million years. Therefor it must be removed in order to build a better world. Of course they have money to buy an army, and they're not above using it, so war is the eventuality. As for us changing it, we've been floating money to Africa for 4 decades now, and most of it goes to those corrupt governments, not to the people, so if you want it to change they have to be removed. There's no way around that friend. Make everyone full and able to think alike and you might one day end war, but that is FAR off into the future.

But it was kill or be killed, which was your major argument for justifying killing in war. I did notice that you also said "saving lives" was a large part, so I'll revise it as so:

There is no means to grow food for your village. You need money to buy food for your village. Without food, your village will die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. Your village lives. It was kill or be killed.

Now since it was kill or be killed and ultimately saved lives, it is justifiable.

THE_DRUGGIE

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

But it was kill or be killed, which was your major argument for justifying killing in war. I did notice that you also said "saving lives" was a large part, so I'll revise it as so:

There is no means to grow food for your village. You need money to buy food for your village. Without food, your village will die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. Your village lives. It was kill or be killed.

Now since it was kill or be killed and ultimately saved lives, it is justifiable.

LJS9502_basic

And where in that did I say unarmed people were involved?

[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] We're not in that war. Do we consider those wars just?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Depends on who you ask and the specific circumstances. And of course, it's not like most wars have single reasons, they are often very multifaceted (with greed and lust for power often being a major factor).

However, the question simply needs to be altered with an example: Is it wrong for a German soldier to kill Polish soldiers when Germany invaded Poland, and why?

LJS9502_basic

I'd like an answer to the specific question I posed, to see what your perspective is.

In order to change it you would need, wait for it, WAR. NO government with absolute power is going to relinquish that power, no in one day, no in a million years. Therefor it must be removed in order to build a better world. Of course they have money to buy an army, and they're not above using it, so war is the eventuality. As for us changing it, we've been floating money to Africa for 4 decades now, and most of it goes to those corrupt governments, not to the people, so if you want it to change they have to be removed. There's no way around that friend. Make everyone full and able to think alike and you might one day end war, but that is FAR off into the future.

buldog300

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

But it was kill or be killed, which was your major argument for justifying killing in war. I did notice that you also said "saving lives" was a large part, so I'll revise it as so:

There is no means to grow food for your village. You need money to buy food for your village. Without food, your village will die. You have no money. Nobody wants to give you money without work. The only avenue for work requires killing. You kill. You get money. You buy food. Your village lives. It was kill or be killed.

Now since it was kill or be killed and ultimately saved lives, it is justifiable.

THE_DRUGGIE

And where in that did I say unarmed people were involved?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This question can't be real. :| In war you are fighting other people who signed up to fight. Murding someone on the streets isn't even close to the same thing.

chessmaster1989

By that logic, shouldn't duelling be allowed?

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This question can't be real. :| In war you are fighting other people who signed up to fight. Murding someone on the streets isn't even close to the same thing.

By that logic, shouldn't duelling be allowed?

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not. There is a vast difference between two armed combatants and someone with gun picking off unarmed unaware people.

LJS9502_basic

And where in that did I say unarmed people were involved?

And the civillians aren't armed?

[QUOTE="buldog300"]

In order to change it you would need, wait for it, WAR. NO government with absolute power is going to relinquish that power, no in one day, no in a million years. Therefor it must be removed in order to build a better world. Of course they have money to buy an army, and they're not above using it, so war is the eventuality. As for us changing it, we've been floating money to Africa for 4 decades now, and most of it goes to those corrupt governments, not to the people, so if you want it to change they have to be removed. There's no way around that friend. Make everyone full and able to think alike and you might one day end war, but that is FAR off into the future.

LJS9502_basic

This question can't be real. :| In war you are fighting other people who signed up to fight. Murding someone on the streets isn't even close to the same thing.

Pirate700

What about conscription?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

And where in that did I say unarmed people were involved?

THE_DRUGGIE

And the civillians aren't armed?

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

This question can't be real. :| In war you are fighting other people who signed up to fight. Murding someone on the streets isn't even close to the same thing.

fidosim

By that logic, shouldn't duelling be allowed?

Hey now, I thought you were arguing why duelling should be allowed. :P

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Have you declared war on another military? Because the initial question seemed to be war vs civilian murder.LJS9502_basic

And the civillians aren't armed?

I don't recall giving my scenario any particular location.

People kill for political power, not greed. War is always, ALWAYS politics with bloodshed. You disagree with someone on how resources are managed, what religion is right, who owns this land or what have you and instead of settling it in legal terms, you go to war. That is the base of war, politics. The greed factor is no different than lobbyists pushing for business ideals.buldog300

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Have you declared war on another military? Because the initial question seemed to be war vs civilian murder.LJS9502_basic

And the civillians aren't armed?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

And the civillians aren't armed?

THE_DRUGGIE

I don't recall giving my scenario any particular location.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="buldog300"]

In order to change it you would need, wait for it, WAR. NO government with absolute power is going to relinquish that power, no in one day, no in a million years. Therefor it must be removed in order to build a better world. Of course they have money to buy an army, and they're not above using it, so war is the eventuality. As for us changing it, we've been floating money to Africa for 4 decades now, and most of it goes to those corrupt governments, not to the people, so if you want it to change they have to be removed. There's no way around that friend. Make everyone full and able to think alike and you might one day end war, but that is FAR off into the future.

buldog300

Greed is apart of political power.. How can you committ your ideas if you do not have a treasury able to supply your goals?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

And the civillians aren't armed?

buldog300

it's okay for any other animal to fight for survival.
Don't see why it isn't for humans.
To some extent, war is a good thing as it accelerates the elimination of the weak, and it can be effective population control.
So basically, killing people in war is alright, since it's just a part of life.

It isn't okay, but we do it anyways to protect our political/economic interests. We might also do it if we are attacked.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Generally people don't walk down the street carrying sidearms where I live......LJS9502_basic

I don't recall giving my scenario any particular location.

Giving the bare bones of the situation leaves room for the imagination. However, If you cast labels aside, you'll see that it is logically justifiable.

[QUOTE="buldog300"] People kill for political power, not greed. War is always, ALWAYS politics with bloodshed. You disagree with someone on how resources are managed, what religion is right, who owns this land or what have you and instead of settling it in legal terms, you go to war. That is the base of war, politics. The greed factor is no different than lobbyists pushing for business ideals.LJS9502_basic

To some extent, war is a good thing as it accelerates the elimination of the weakchoppindatmeat

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

I don't recall giving my scenario any particular location.

THE_DRUGGIE

Giving the bare bones of the situation leaves room for the imagination. However, If you cast labels aside, you'll see that it is logically justifiable.

[QUOTE="buldog300"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Generally people don't walk down the street carrying sidearms where I live......LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="buldog300"] People kill for political power, not greed. War is always, ALWAYS politics with bloodshed. You disagree with someone on how resources are managed, what religion is right, who owns this land or what have you and instead of settling it in legal terms, you go to war. That is the base of war, politics. The greed factor is no different than lobbyists pushing for business ideals.LJS9502_basic

What if you warn the person that you will kill them if they don't give you what you want?

And it's not like the men in the all the armies go to war out of their own choice. What if there's a draft?