why is killing wrong in everything but war?

who made up this rule God did not state any exceptions to the rule so why the exception

also

heres another question for bonus points

in a war both sides their probably both asking god for victory if their is a God how does he choose the winner for example here in the US we are asking God for strength against terrorist organizations but then they are also asking God for strength aganist the US:?

Because in war, the guys on the other team are trying to kill you, and life has no respawns.

I don't think anyone likes war, but unfortunately we as humans cannot accept peace and tranquility.

I never have thought about why war is a special curcumstance, but it could be because people think war is for the protection of a country, so you are doing the morally correct thing by potentially saving the lives of your countrymen. Personally, i don't think any killing is justified.

who made up this rule God did not state any exceptions to the rule so why theexception

kemar7856

Well, what rules are we going by, god's rules? Christian god or Jewish god, because it makes a difference here. Christian god, killing is acceptable in certain circumstances if you want to take the Bible as absolute truth. Jewish god, killing is wrong, period, that is if you go only by what is written in law and not by contradictions of people killing at the behest of god.

If we're going by natural and social laws, war is agreed upon in modern times. Even in the event of invasion, the other side agrees in the act of resisting. Killing in war is not ideal or desired by most people, but it is seen as necessary. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Also, by these standards killing is justified by some societies in certain situations.

EDIT: As an afterthought, I don't think killing in war is ever said to be amore acceptableform of killing in the Bible, although there are certainly instances where that is implied. The vast majority of justifcations for killings by religious texts have either to do with perceived self-defense or for a so-called holy cause.

Right and wrong is all a matter of perception. Some say all killing is wrong, others say killing is sometimes necessary, it's up to the individual. Don't wait for God to tell you what is right and wrong, make up your own mind.

I never have thought about why war is a special curcumstance, but it could be because people think war is for the protection of a country, so you are doing the morally correct thing by potentially saving the lives of your countrymen. Personally, i don't think any killing is justified.

cgi15

What if you kill because you're life is in present danger?

because in war people are trying to kill you, so the only rational thing is to kill them first

Killing is wrong in everything unless your own life is being threatened by another person.

You know why? BECAUSE HUMANS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!hillelslovak

Well in Islam, it is permitted to kill in a battlefield. However there are a number of rules:

1. A state must try to first establish peace and avoid war.

2. If it cannot be avoided, the state must not be the initiator of the war. (Fight only when they are coming to fight).

3. In the battlefield, it is permitted to kill opponents since they are coming to kill you.

4. If in battlefield if opponents ask for pardon, they are not to be killed and rather escorted to a place of safety(away from battle)

5. In war, women, children, old people and innocents must not be killed. Trees and Streams may not be destroyed. Animal should not be killed (except for food).

I believe these rules are quite practical.

I don't think anyone likes war, but unfortunately we as humans cannot accept peace and tranquility.

Nerd_Man

Well in Islam, it is permitted to kill in a battlefield. However there are a number of rules:

1. A state must try to first establish peace and avoid war.

2. If it cannot be avoided, the state must not be the initiator of the war. (Fight only when they are coming to fight).

3. In the battlefield, it is permitted to kill opponents since they are coming to kill you.

4. If in battlefield if opponents ask for pardon, they are not to be killed and rather escorted to a place of safety(away from battle)

5. In war, women, children, old people and innocents must not be killed. Trees and Streams may not be destroyed. Animal should not be killed (except for food).

I believe these rules are quite practical.

MFaraz_Hayat

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Well in Islam, it is permitted to kill in a battlefield. However there are a number of rules:

1. A state must try to first establish peace and avoid war.

2. If it cannot be avoided, the state must not be the initiator of the war. (Fight only when they are coming to fight).

3. In the battlefield, it is permitted to kill opponents since they are coming to kill you.

4. If in battlefield if opponents ask for pardon, they are not to be killed and rather escorted to a place of safety(away from battle)

5. In war, women, children, old people and innocents must not be killed. Trees and Streams may not be destroyed. Animal should not be killed (except for food).

I believe these rules are quite practical.

shemrom

[QUOTE="shemrom"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

Well in Islam, it is permitted to kill in a battlefield. However there are a number of rules:

1. A state must try to first establish peace and avoid war.

2. If it cannot be avoided, the state must not be the initiator of the war. (Fight only when they are coming to fight).

3. In the battlefield, it is permitted to kill opponents since they are coming to kill you.

4. If in battlefield if opponents ask for pardon, they are not to be killed and rather escorted to a place of safety(away from battle)

5. In war, women, children, old people and innocents must not be killed. Trees and Streams may not be destroyed. Animal should not be killed (except for food).

I believe these rules are quite practical.

MFaraz_Hayat

I think i shall spew a bunch of random Karl Von Clausweitz quotes:

"War is the continuation of policy (politics) by other means."

"To secure peace is to prepare for war."

"It is clear that war is not a mere act of policy but a true political instrument, a continuation of political activity by other means"

In short, I believe that war is the grim neccesity that is enacted whenever other methods of politics have failed. It is by then that the use of warfare, pretty much another extension of poltics is enacted upon the enemy. Politics and the state of power is pretty much the big issue as to why men are far more sanctioned to kill on the battlefield. The claim normally for war is that its usually caused by acts of defense for the sake of the homeland. Killing in defense as opposed to killing in cold blood by the norm is usually more acceptable. Were I to kill a man who I had no doubt was threatening me with lethal force and I killed him, then I would be significantly less liable to the law and morally then were I to kill this man out of spite or cold blood. That appears to be one of the natures of war. Its why its deemed acceptable and its one of the aspects of war that contributes to certain forms of laws in wartime.

You could argue that war is different because its self-defence. Its literally kill or be killed. Whether that counts as a sin or not I don't really know or care.

Killing is wrong because it takes away from the power of society as a whole. It is related to evolution and has become ingrained within us.

You could argue that war is different because its self-defence. Its literally kill or be killed. Whether that counts as a sin or not I don't really know or care.

manicfoot

simple answer, God doesn't exist(IMO).

There is no god in war.

Killing someone is wrong because:

A. Life has value

and/or

B. We have no right to take someone's life away from them because our life is in no way superior to their's.

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Killing is OK in war because:

A. Life loses it's value when war is declared, But only for those participating in said war. Everyone elses lives are worth the usual.

and/or

B. People lose their lifes upon declaration of war. So it isn't actually taking someone's life away, and killing zombies is fine.

and/or

C. When we declare war on someone our life becomes greater than their's and so we can now bestow upon ourselves the right someone elses life from them.

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That's why.

your making it seem like the war is strictly religion based. in the bible it appears that God is against gay marriages but still we allow it. the killing in war and exception of it has nothing to do with God.

Who says God decides the winners of wars (if a "winner" is what you wanna call them)? The group with the better forces win, no matter how much you pray.

When you win, you are right. There is no right or wrong until you win.magicalclick

Well spoken. History is written by the winners.

who made up this rule God did not state any exceptions to the rule so why the exception

also

heres another question for bonus points

in a war both sides their probably both asking god for victory if their is a God how does he choose the winner for example here in the US we are asking God for strength against terrorist organizations but then they are also asking God for strength aganist the US:?

kemar7856

the answer is obvious to your bonus question - you just dont want to see it

You know why? BECAUSE HUMANS ARE STUPID!!!!!!!!hillelslovak

I agree with this.

[QUOTE="kemar7856"]

who made up this rule God did not state any exceptions to the rule so why the exception

also

heres another question for bonus points

in a war both sides their probably both asking god for victory if their is a God how does he choose the winner for example here in the US we are asking God for strength against terrorist organizations but then they are also asking God for strength aganist the US:?

BobSacamento

the answer is obvious to your bonus question - you just dont want to see it

your making it seem like the war is strictly religion based. in the bible it appears that God is against gay marriages but still we allow it. the killing in war and exception of it has nothing to do with God.

Who says God decides the winners of wars (if a "winner" is what you wanna call them)? The group with the better forces win, no matter how much you pray.

1. When you join the military, you knowingly put yourself in harm's way and (ideally) you will only be shooting at people in the same situation. While this does not making killing other people right, it certainly stops it from being wrong. Its turns a death into a sacrifice, a killer into a patriot, and both are heroes for their respective countries.

2. Wars are fought (again ideally) to acheive a greater good, or to stop an evil. If an oppressive government's military mobilizes to overthrow its dictator, that is a war fought for a greater good. Ifcountries moblize to defeat a foreign, genocidal government, that is to stop an evil. Killing for these things is OK.

3. Third, and last...god has nothing to do with it. Sure, there might be the occasional "miracle" in some random foxhole or something, but wars are fought and won by man, and man alone.

War is not the only time in which killing is morally acceptable. Killing =/= murder

Also, see how long killing seems wrong when you look across a barren town and see children stacked against a church wall, after being shot in the head and having their hands and feet cut off.

who made up this rule God did not state any exceptions to the rule so why the exception

also

heres another question for bonus points

in a war both sides their probably both asking god for victory if their is a God how does he choose the winner for example here in the US we are asking God for strength against terrorist organizations but then they are also asking God for strength aganist the US:?

kemar7856

2. Terrorist organizations are praying to the wrong God...so.......

Killing in self-defence isn't wrong.

Killing in self-defence isn't wrong.

foxhound_fox

agreed.

though to argue against it, it is easy for a governemnt to say their actrions are in self-defense. Maybe too easy