Why is Obama's economic plan not working?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :| obviously that would depend on their location.Nibroc420

So you honestly think 900,000 jobs are sitting out there waiting? have you seen the monthly jobs numbers? only 38,000 private sector jobs were created in may.... These guys are lazy leaches not looking for work afterall, because the jobs are just out there... somewhere... if only these lazy unemployed a-holes would look... amirite?

unemployment insurance has to be paid by their employer... which essentially comes out of their pocket.

We should head down to the cancer ward at the hospital and yell at all those lazy leaches using their health insurance they paid for! Everyone knows you pay insurance, but never dare claim the benefits... otherwise you are a lazy leach!

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

so where are the 900,000 jobs for the applicants rejected? We should get this info out to the public ASAP, because they are clearly hungry for work. Where are these jobs just locked and loaded waiting for them? The masses want to know...

SoBaus

900,000 people were rejected when applying to McDonalds in april.... where should they look for work next if they dont want to be "lazy leaches"?

that is kinda rule of thumb number one for being an adult, if those people did not cut the mustard at McD's then they should not have been hired, and the decision of who is and is not qualified to work at McD's is not a judgement i can make. frankly i dont know a damn thing about fast food, never worked it.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

So you honestly think 900,000 jobs are sitting out there waiting? have you seen the monthly jobs numbers? only 38,000 private sector jobs were created in may.... These guys are lazy leaches not looking for work afterall, because the jobs are just out there... somewhere... if only these lazy unemployed a-holes would look... amirite?

SoBaus

unemployment insurance has to be paid by their employer... which essentially comes out of their pocket.

We should head down to the cancer ward at the hospital and yell at all those lazy leaches using their health insurance they paid for! Everyone knows you pay insurance, but never dare claim the benefits... otherwise you are a lazy leach!

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] mind filling in all of the blanks before i try to know how your question has anything to do with what i was saying about McD's?

surrealnumber5

900,000 people were rejected when applying to McDonalds in april.... where should they look for work next if they dont want to be "lazy leaches"?

that is kinda rule of thumb number one for being an adult, if those people did not cut the mustard at McD's then they should not have been hired, and the decision of who is and is not qualified to work at McD's is not a judgement i can make. frankly i dont know a damn thing about fast food, never worked it.

You realize, there are more people looking for work than there are jobs... so if everyone got a PHD in physics from MIT, most of them would still be unemployed? Again, this is how the unemployment rate works.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Pretty much. And they're spending the tax money you pay. Rather than focusing on education, and paying retiree's what is owed, the Government has to put tax dollars into the pockets of people who dont even pay taxes.Nibroc420

unemployment insurance has to be paid by their employer... which essentially comes out of their pocket.

We should head down to the cancer ward at the hospital and yell at all those lazy leaches using their health insurance they paid for! Everyone knows you pay insurance, but never dare claim the benefits... otherwise you are a lazy leach!

Do you understand the principles of insurance? i have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in car insurance... but have never been in an accident, and have never recieved 1 dime...

If you have ever been in a car accident, or anyone else here... you are essentially stealing my hard earned money.... you leaches.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

unemployment insurance has to be paid by their employer... which essentially comes out of their pocket.

We should head down to the cancer ward at the hospital and yell at all those lazy leaches using their health insurance they paid for! Everyone knows you pay insurance, but never dare claim the benefits... otherwise you are a lazy leach!

SoBaus

Do you understand the principles of insurance? i have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in car insurance... but have never been in an accident, and have never recieved 1 dime...

If you have ever been in a car accident, or anyone else here... you are essentially stealing my hard earned money.... you leaches.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

900,000 people were rejected when applying to McDonalds in april.... where should they look for work next if they dont want to be "lazy leaches"?

SoBaus

that is kinda rule of thumb number one for being an adult, if those people did not cut the mustard at McD's then they should not have been hired, and the decision of who is and is not qualified to work at McD's is not a judgement i can make. frankly i dont know a damn thing about fast food, never worked it.

You realize, there are more people looking for work than there are jobs... so if everyone got a PHD in physics from MIT, most of them would still be unemployed? Again, this is how the unemployment rate works.

ITT: you recognized unemployment insurance as part of ones pay, just wanted to give props for that, most dont include hidden costs of employment (employers perspective) to wages. now mind you i think such a thing should not be manditory, but that is a whole other topic.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] :roll: People only put so much in, yet receive more.Nibroc420

Do you understand the principles of insurance? i have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in car insurance... but have never been in an accident, and have never recieved 1 dime...

If you have ever been in a car accident, or anyone else here... you are essentially stealing my hard earned money.... you leaches.

but have you ever been in a car accident? why do i have to pay money because you cant drive responsibly?

speaking of education, if you cant figure out how to operate a damn vehicle without getting into an accident, why do i have to pay to fix your car? Hows that fair? 2 pedals and a wheel... i can see why you dont have faith in education since you couldnt get those basics down. Im kidding obviously, but anytime insurance is involved... inequality of benefits is natural.

and the unemployed only get insurance if they were laid off through no fault of their own... alot of that money may go to keeping kids in school from not starving to death when a parent loses a job.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

Do you understand the principles of insurance? i have paid thousands upon thousands of dollars in car insurance... but have never been in an accident, and have never recieved 1 dime...

If you have ever been in a car accident, or anyone else here... you are essentially stealing my hard earned money.... you leaches.

SoBaus

but have you ever been in a car accident? why do i have to pay money because you cant drive responsibly?

speaking of education, if you cant figure out how to operate a damn vehicle without getting into an accident, why do i have to pay to fix your car? Hows that fair? 2 pedals and a wheel... i can see why you dont have faith in education since you couldnt get those basics down.

and the unemployed only get insurance if they were laid off through no fault of their own... alot of that money may go to keeping kids in school from not starving to death when a parent loses a job.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Yeah... Alright. So these people who dont work, and dont pay taxes, deserve tax dollars more than the schools who educate the future work force? Sounds like America loves digging itself into holes.Nibroc420

but have you ever been in a car accident? why do i have to pay money because you cant drive responsibly?

speaking of education, if you cant figure out how to operate a damn vehicle without getting into an accident, why do i have to pay to fix your car? Hows that fair? 2 pedals and a wheel... i can see why you dont have faith in education since you couldnt get those basics down.

and the unemployed only get insurance if they were laid off through no fault of their own... alot of that money may go to keeping kids in school from not starving to death when a parent loses a job.

I see someone still avoiding the topic of if i paid to fix their car.... btw you are welcome for the repairs, but a thank you would be nice.;)

but you probably just took my money and just spent it on video games or a flatscreen or something.... but im not mad im paying for your luxury.... its how insurance works.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

but have you ever been in a car accident? why do i have to pay money because you cant drive responsibly?

speaking of education, if you cant figure out how to operate a damn vehicle without getting into an accident, why do i have to pay to fix your car? Hows that fair? 2 pedals and a wheel... i can see why you dont have faith in education since you couldnt get those basics down.

and the unemployed only get insurance if they were laid off through no fault of their own... alot of that money may go to keeping kids in school from not starving to death when a parent loses a job.

SoBaus

I see someone still avoiding the topic of if i paid to fix their car.... btw you are welcome for the repairs, but a thank you would be nice.;)

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Clearly if a parent is unable to care for their child, they shouldn't have said child. Likewise, if someone's too lazy to get a job, or get educated so they can get a job. Clearly they have no intention of getting a job. Why should we pay lazy people who have no intention of working?Nibroc420

I see someone still avoiding the topic of if i paid to fix their car.... btw you are welcome for the repairs, but a thank you would be nice.;)

ok ok, i believe you. But your welcome for me paying for your playstation ;)

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

I see someone still avoiding the topic of if i paid to fix their car.... btw you are welcome for the repairs, but a thank you would be nice.;)

SoBaus

ok ok, i believe you. But your welcome for me paying for your playstation ;)

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"] What repairs? Are you making more assumptions? I've never been in a Car accident. Unlike some uneducated people, i know how to drive.Nibroc420

ok ok, i believe you. But your welcome for me paying for your playstation ;)

i know you took that check from your fender bender and cashed it and bought lots of sweet stuff, sweet stuff that i paid for... im on to you!

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

ok ok, i believe you. But your welcome for me paying for your playstation ;)

SoBaus

i know you took that check from your fender bender and cashed it and bought lots of sweet stuff, sweet stuff that i paid for... im on to you!

[QUOTE="genfactor"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Any proof that his economic plan prevented a depression and stopped the unemployment rate from reaching 13 percent? Or did you just make that up?BMD004

While it may contradict the talk radio and fox news hacks, this is the general consensus of credible economists.

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/without_federal_intervention_unemployment_would_be_near_16/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/02/cbo-unemployment-would-have-topped-11-without-stimulus/1

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/08/30/daily63.html

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2010/05/26/stimulus_still_working

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/economic-stimulus-minus-grade/story?id=9867659

Where are you getting your numbers from? Are they more credible than the CBO?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="genfactor"]

While it may contradict the talk radio and fox news hacks, this is the general consensus of credible economists.

genfactor

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/without_federal_intervention_unemployment_would_be_near_16/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/02/cbo-unemployment-would-have-topped-11-without-stimulus/1

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/08/30/daily63.html

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2010/05/26/stimulus_still_working

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/economic-stimulus-minus-grade/story?id=9867659

Where are you getting your numbers from? Are they more credible than the CBO?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="genfactor"]

While it may contradict the talk radio and fox news hacks, this is the general consensus of credible economists.

genfactor

http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/without_federal_intervention_unemployment_would_be_near_16/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2010/02/cbo-unemployment-would-have-topped-11-without-stimulus/1

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/08/30/daily63.html

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2010/05/26/stimulus_still_working

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/economic-stimulus-minus-grade/story?id=9867659

Where are you getting your numbers from? Are they more credible than the CBO?

PLUS, sending people to work just for the sake of sending them to work just to say they have a job is NOT a good thing. It is an inefficient allocation of labor. It may make your numbers look better, but in reality it is worse in the long-run. It just delays a recovery.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Why would anyone do that? With the extensions in unemployment, we're all but encouraging people NOT to work.

surrealnumber5

Encouraging them to work AT WHAT JOBS? do you understand the basic definition of what an unemployment rate is? In April, McDonalds rejected 93% of applicants, MCDONALDS! thats a fast food place, the bottom of the barrel for jobs... accepting only the top 7% of applicants. What the hell do you want these people to do? Die on the street? thats pretty american of you.

At least unemployment benefits are a HUGE value to stimulating the economy, unlike trickle down.

McDonalds isn't at or NEAR the bottom barrel for jobs? Are you kidding me? Obviously there are going to be crappier jobs out there but McDonalds is still scraping the bottom.

The way I see it, Obama has done his part. The big name corporations making great profits and high gas prices because of spooked analyst are keeping the economy from really "healing" at this point. Companies are getting comfortable with using less workers and are mostly hiring workers with experience instead of hiring many entry level workers to train. By doing that, quite a bit of new graduates are forced to work dead end jobs, which isn't really helping anyone......tocool340

This is something that will take a long time to fix but in a sense its slowly improving

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]See also: private sector job growth.BMD004

This. I'm not entirely convinced that many corporations simply aren't hiring because Obama's pushing for a return to the Clinton tax rates, and they know that if the economy stays bad it increases their chances of getting a President who will do what Ryan is proposing and slash their taxes even further instead. Beyond that, during the recession businesses learned to operate with less overhead, i.e. fewer employees. Now that they see they can be profitable with fewer employees they're not going to go back to previous hiring quotas unless there's some incentive for them to do so. I'm actually beginning to think that 8%+ unemployment is going to become the new norm.

P.S... I don't think direct labor is included in overhead costs.